Smart Forfour - Merc/smart failure to resolve. Please Advise. - Minerva

I have a smart Forfour 1.5 petrol owned since almost new with 95k miles - a great little car. The car recently suffered a failed actuator and stuck in gear while driving. Fixing the car has become a saga at Mercedes Tonbridge, with them overcharging, making errors of diagnosis, and giving back a car with a failed ECU but not accepting responsibility. The letter below tells what happenend, but am I being unreasonable to expect they repair the ECU considering it was fine when I gave it to them.

I would be grateful for advice thanks. Repair could be £1500!

In response to your letter of the 14.Feb.2014,..... The vehicle was discharged to you in normal running condition except that the actuator had failed. I have provided an independent report from a local garage who loaded the car onto the AA trailer as I stood there, only 30 minutes before it was brought to you. At that time you can read that the car had NO warning lights showing on the dashboard and the car started normally.

When I spoke to .... your service team leader, he states that it needed a new battery and disputed my objection of being perfectly fit for duty and less than 2 years old. After charging over night he rang to say the battery was perfectly ok and there was no need to change it. (Even though he was originally insistent and wanting to charge £181.00).

When I spoke to .... originally on 4th Feb he gave me a quote for the Actuator and fitting. I challenged the labour cost with you based on the number of hours needed. This email was sent dated 15.57pm and at this point there was no mention of ESP fault codes. The actuator was ordered and fitted on the morning of the 5th Feb but it was only when you emailed at 11.04 that day to confirm the lower agreed price of the actuator, that you informed me the ESP codes were showing as well, when they had not the previous day.

The car was returned to me with both traction and ABS light on the dashboard, neither of which were showing before as supported by the statement from the garage loading the car. I confirm that the actuator fault occured whilst driving and moving at about 30mph and that no warning lights were visible at any time - only that it did not change gear.

Bearing in mind that the car was delivered to you just 30 minutes after it left Sevenoaks with a single fault, I am supposed to accept that the car apparently gained a defunct battery - now eliminated - and a faulty ECU whilst in your care when it was not an issue beforehand. The extent of the fault codes only showed an actuator fault and no other. Whatever has happened has taken place in your tenure.

As suggested I have had an independent expert verify that the likely cause is an ECU failure. Your letter states you will not accept any responsibility for the added failure whilst in your care which I find unacceptable. As a result I am sending a copy of this letter to the After Sales Director Paul Thompson for his assessment. Whilst the car remains drivable it is obviously not MOTable so I will be looking for a rapid resolution and sincerely hope you will reconsider.

Smart Forfour - Merc/smart failure to resolve. Please Advise. - Dorset123

Sorry that you are having problems with your car but your car has done 95000 miles it seems unfair to blame the dealer you need to understand that things go wrong on cars at this mileage and sadly they cost money.

Smart Forfour - Merc/smart failure to resolve. Please Advise. - Minerva

It is the service that is the problem. As I said, I gave Mercedes the car to fix but they gave it back with an even bigger problem that was not there before. This is independently verified too. I'm not so daft as to believe it's a warranty thing!

Smart Forfour - Merc/smart failure to resolve. Please Advise. - gordonbennet

Presumably this is a semi auto/automated manual gearbox.

These boxes are all ticking time bombs and will cost a geat deal of money to fix when they fail, which they will, IMO this is a risk you will have to accept if you buy into one and keep it outside warranty.

Not just these boxes either, cars are stupidly complicated now (thats why some of us are spurning them in favour of older simpler models), and getting the right diagnosis first time isn't easy, plus when parts fail they can cause ECU failures due to electrical shorting, been there T shirt, that was my own MB.

The only way to run higher mileage out of warranty cars economically is to find a (preferably) make specialist indy in whos interest it is to get diagnoses right and who is more likely to repair things anyway, main dealers tend to throw new parts at problems instead.

I don't think you will have any joy with the dealer, but best of luck with it, unfortunately few if any MB indies would be remotely interested in working on one of these boxes either.

Could the 'independent expert' take on fixing it properly?

Edited by gordonbennet on 10/03/2014 at 10:47

Smart Forfour - Merc/smart failure to resolve. Please Advise. - Minerva

It is a semi-auto. The box is fine and no trouble since it's an merely an automated manual made by Mitsubishi. The issue is about Mercedes diagnosing one fault and producing another, then not accepting responsibility. I feel I should be able to rely on a main dealer to make a repair without breaking something else but to blame the customer is nonesense. They had aleady been found wanting on two issues anyway. The indie will take it on if he changes the ECU so I'm thing of trying BBA Reman for an ECU rebuild.

Smart Forfour - Merc/smart failure to resolve. Please Advise. - gordonbennet

Well, lets hope its not a gearbox problem that caused the ECU fault in the first place, if indeed it definately an ECU fault, only a permanent fix will tell.

BBA Reman good call, i haven't used them myself (have used another very good workshop for two unrelated fault MB ECU repairs) but my MB indy, a man almost impossible to impress, is impressed.

Smart Forfour - Merc/smart failure to resolve. Please Advise. - Minerva

The car continues to drive normally, except for no Traction/ABS so the gearbox is fine. Who did your repairs and which Indie did you use? Thanks for your interest.

Smart Forfour - Merc/smart failure to resolve. Please Advise. - gordonbennet

Repairs carried out by the repair shop on the Isle of Wight, email something along the lines of Carelect.demon, not cheap but then good work seldom is.

My indy would not appreciate publicity and doesn't need it so i won't name him, he's always snowed under with existing work, he doesn't work on Smarts and with great reluctance on A/B Class.

Hope you update us when fixed please.