Agreed should have been 10000.

Absolutely. Out on the push bike the other day. Not for fun, quickest way to town to recover Mrs B's Berlingo after body shop attention.

The quantity of plastic bottles, fast food wrappers, ciggy packets etc in the ditches has to bee seen to be believed.

Edited by Bromptonaut on 28/02/2014 at 22:57

Well done ORB. I thought at first that you were about to balk at the size of the fine.

I was behind a driver yesterday, flicking her ash out of her new car's window. Wait for it, I thought... wait... any moment now... and sure enough the butt was launched towards my windscreen.

I don't know why people ever think it's okay to litter another person's environment. The original fine was well-deserved and the large fine entirely justified for being not just a litterer but an arrogant litterer to boot.

Well deserved fine, for stupidity as much as anything. On a bike or motorbike it's a real hazard seeing a fag end flying towards you, creating an instinct to swerve with risk of loss of control. I'm sure I remember a fatality due to this not so long ago, where the fag lodged in clothing or something similar.

The answer taxation is a tad simplistic. It goes to fund victim and witness support schemes

Well I clicked on your link and feel taxation is about right. Just a load of Government bureaucratic blurb, which usually only means one thing. Less money in the publics pockets.

If throwing a fag end out of a window makes you a criminal, we've seriously demeaned the word.

Do you really believe all that?

Well I certainly believe it's all about revenue raising. That much is obvious. I don't expect you to see that though, because you're bankrolled by the States rapacious assault on the solvent mans wallet.

It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it - Upton Sinclair

The Human Rights Act is analagous to a constituion and allows us to enforce those rights in our own courts.

Give me a modern example of where our courts were unable to enforce a British citizens human rights prior to 1998. I want an answer to that before you respond to anything else.

The Human Rights Act is absolute nonsense, it does need scrapping but that won't change anything as long as we're EU members anyway. Britain made it to 1998 without it, I don't remember children being hanged in the street in 1997. It's merely an act of gold plating what we're already signed up to by virtue of EU membership anyway, British politicians had little to do with what's in it.

From ime to time.... foreign criminals who've made a family life here are allowed to stay.

It shouldn't happen at all. Every single one of them should be deported. Our citizens' welfare matter more than foreign criminals family lives.

Each case has to convince a court or tribunal that on balancee their right to family life outweighs the public policy benefit of chucking them out.

We shouldn't have to do that either. The honest, law abiding British public have rights too. They have the right to be protected from vermin scum. Every single one of these vermin scum should be thrown out.

Once the court has found them guilty of a serious crime, they should be ushered onto a plane. No court hearing. No tribunal. No assessment of whether their family life matters. Do not pass go, do not collect £200. Off with you.

I love how you have utmost sympathy for somebody hit by a cigarette butt and feel smokers are evil, vile criminals but feel murderers should be treated fairly based on their family circumstances. How do you think a murder victims family would feel about your point of view?

You are in the tiny minority in that idiotic Westminster bubble who don't understand reality. I just hope any money you make out of defending vermin criminal scum is spent wisely because with any luck, people like you will be getting their P45 pretty soon.