passat or insignia - sean10101

Hi guys, i am new to the forum ans was hoping i could get some advice on buying a car... I am looking to buy a diesel car as i do quite a lot of motorway miles. I seem to have narrowed it down to either the vauxhall insignia , vw passat.

at a budget of about 7000 woud it be advisable to buy a newer lower mileage insignia or a slightly higher mileage older passat.

it seems like at that sort of price i am looking at a 07-58 plate passat averaging about 65-70k miles or 59-10 plate insignia at about 50k miles.

warranty direct seems to make it seem like there is not much of a diference in the reliability of the 2 cars and the insignia seems to be better on road tax and fuel so is it better to just get the newer insignia or is the reliability of the vw worth the slightly higher miles.

thanks

passat or insignia - dieselnut

The reliability of the VW shouldn't be a problem at that mileage, but make sure it has FSH.

Also if you go for the VW make sure it is one with the Common Rail engine & not a 2l PD which have dubious oil pump drives. The CR engines codes start with a C as shown in the service book while the PD engines code start with a B. CR engines only installed from 2008 onwards.

passat or insignia - Ed V

I'd say it's all about which has been looked after the best.

passat or insignia - concrete

I think service history is vital. If properly serviced, you can reasonably assume properly cared for and driven too, then the mileage is not a problem. Mine has done 180K on this basis and I fully expect another 100k at least. Like you my mileage is 90% motorway at good speed and revs, just cruising and returning over 50mpg. Not bad eh! Just do your homework and keep looking for the right car. Good luck. Concrete

passat or insignia - concrete

warranty direct seems to make it seem like there is not much of a diference in the reliability of the 2 cars and the insignia seems to be better on road tax and fuel so is it better to just get the newer insignia or is the reliability of the vw worth the slightly higher miles.

thanks

Forgot to mention the warranty. Read the latest 'Which' report. Their opinion is that warranties are not worth the money. Put aside the 'warranty' money in a seperate account. Then if needed you have a cash reserve for repairs. I wish I had. I did not find Warranty Direct all that good on my one and only claim. I would have been hundreds of pounds better off doing what 'Which' suggested.

Cheers Concrete

passat or insignia - SteveLee

Insignia by a country mile - you'll get far more car for your money and it will be far less likely to breakdown.

passat or insignia - Snakey

Insignia for me, cheaper and newer, better quality interiors and can be serviced by independents for less.

passat or insignia - TopScot

I disagree. As ive said before - every Taxi driver i know has had nothing but serious problems with insignias, some as little as 20k - Clutches, DMF, DPF, EGR the list gos on. The vw group TDIs go forever. One of the guys on our fleet has done nothing to his skoda in 220k not even a track rod or ball joint! The goodnews however is PSA are going to be dropping their engines in the vauxhalls and that changes things completely

passat or insignia - SLO76
“The goodnews however is PSA are going to be dropping their engines in the vauxhalls and that changes things completely”

Hold your horses... PSA’s 1600 diesel has a rather nasty reputation for failure with some experiencing turbo failure at less than 60,000 miles. The 2.0 is generally robust though.
passat or insignia - Engineer Andy
“The goodnews however is PSA are going to be dropping their engines in the vauxhalls and that changes things completely” Hold your horses... PSA’s 1600 diesel has a rather nasty reputation for failure with some experiencing turbo failure at less than 60,000 miles. The 2.0 is generally robust though.

It would be interesting - both Fords and Vauxhalls with the same diesel engines in them!

Diesel of DOOOOM!

passat or insignia - sean10101

Thanks for the responses guys... i guess i have always been of the impression that the VW's were more reliable then the Vauxhalls, and that is why they are more expensive, but it seems i can get a much newer and lower mleage vauxhall for the same money...

Assuming an insignia has full service history and has been well taken care of... is the general view that they are fiarly reliable cars?

Edited by sean10101 on 28/02/2014 at 22:41

passat or insignia - daveyK_UK

Well they are more reliable thant its predecessor the Vectra C but that doesnt say much.

I wouldnt buy either of them, but if you must the Insignia will be the cheaper to run, repair and service.

The VW reliability is a myth.

passat or insignia - Scottie Boy

Hiya Sean, I would go for neither and go for a 2.0 Tdci Ford Mondeo I am on my second Mondeo. My previous one being an 08 plate Titanium rated at 140bhp and it was a superb all round car, a great cruiser and returned 55mpg on a run. I have known a few folk who have found VW Passats to be really quite unreliable, I for one think the Passat is fairly average and not the quality car VW would have you think it is, the Insignia, well I test drove one before I bought my Mondeo, it was a nice car but I felt the Ford to be better of the two, I now have a new 163 bhp titanium x business edition which is fully loaded and I would highly recommend it to anyone. Happy Car hunting my friend

passat or insignia - sean10101

thanks for the information Scottie! I was also thinking of possibly the mondeo. but wasn't too sure if they were really that reliable.

Davey.. what would you buy instead of the passat or insignia?

Edited by sean10101 on 01/03/2014 at 10:30

passat or insignia - Dingle232

I'd buy an Avensis. There are people who say there have been issues with their parking brake but I never had an issue with mine when I had it and it was absolutely bullet proof. If reliability is your primary concern I'd go Toyota every time - just my opinion.

passat or insignia - artill

thanks for the information Scottie! I was also thinking of possibly the mondeo. but wasn't too sure if they were really that reliable.

I wouldnt worry too much about Mondeo reliability. A friend bought a diesel estate new in early 2005, still has it with 135,000 miles on it, and has only replaced one rear caliper other than basic servicing, and its never let him down either. The suspension does feel completely warn out however, but he doesnt care. I dont think the bushes are of the highest quality, but they still pass the MOT.

passat or insignia - sean10101

Thanks dingle... my primary concerns are reliability and motorway mpg.... but having said that i am not really a fan of the avensis... at least the older 08ish design

passat or insignia - Collos25

I would go for a top level Insgnia with sat nav as these are easier to sell on but having said that here in Germany where they are both made Passats must out number Insignias by 10 to 1 there has to be a reason for that its not price.An aquaintance in the leasing business says that new Passats cost a fraction of what a Insignia costs in down time and warranty work over a five year period but I would still prefer the looks of the Opel.

passat or insignia - Dingle232

Thanks dingle... my primary concerns are reliability and motorway mpg.... but having said that i am not really a fan of the avensis... at least the older 08ish design

Yep I can understand that as Toyotas are IMO rarely that pleasing to the eye, just incredibly functional and reliable. Good luck with your search.

passat or insignia - Avant

If you want a Passat but are put off because they hold their value better than an Insignia, look at an identically powered Skoda (Octavia or Superb). But the Mondeo is a very good car too, and the Ford 2.0 TDCI and VW/Skoda 1.9 TDI engines seem to have the best reputation for lasting a long time without giving problems.

passat or insignia - daveyK_UK

Ford Mondeo or Honda Accord

passat or insignia - sean10101

HI Guys I am being informed that most diesel engine cars from like 2007 have diesel particulate filters and that these normally need to be changed between 72k miles and 125k miles at a price tag of over 1000 pounds.... it makes me wonder if diesels are worth it anymore.... especially since the cars i am looking at will be close to the 70k mile mark.

is this information accurate?

passat or insignia - Collos25

Your infprmation is party wrong and partly right the cost to change a DPF is in the low hundreds for most cars, many cars reach starship mileages without the need to change the DPF it all depends how they have been driven and what they have used for in their past live.An example would be a Mercedes 220 would probably go all its life without ever changing the DPF a small engined diesel which only goes to the shops will still last the live of the car although the mileage will be much smaller.The problem arises when the car usesage changes thats when problems arise an old addage is if you do small mileage buy petrol if you do a high mileage buy diesel.

passat or insignia - Graham567

I would second the Mondeo 2.0 Tdci.Reliable,smooth and fun to drive.

Do not get the 1.8 though.The 2.0 is the better engine all round.

Titanium X has all the toys inc heated seats and windscreen.

Highly recommended!.

 

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