Renault Espace - Garage sevices - 1jack

I'm having a nightmare with this one. Last September my Espace went in to limp mode on the way back from France, after we got home I went to my local garage who said the turbo had gone, they ordered and fit a new turbo and for 3 weeks the car ran fine. Then while my wife was driving the acceleration became jerky, I took it back to the garage, they had the car for over a week and couldn't find anything wrong with it and suggested I took it to my Renault dealer, which I did. I explained the above to Renault and they said they would see what they could do. They put it on the diagnostic machine which came up with no faults so they sent the injectors away to be tested, but they all came back fine, after further investigation they said I needed a new turbo. I went back to the garage who said that can't be possible so I took the car to a diesel specialist who confirmed that the turbo was not working, he also said that the turbo looked older than 5 months but obviously couldn't say that for definate. I have gone back to the garage to explain that 2 mechanics, a Renault dealer and a specialist have said that the turbo is at fault and they are saying that they can't send it back as the company that supplied the turbo have said there can't be anything wrong with it, I have insisted that they send it back and have got written evidence from the othe 2 garages to confirm the information but still they are reluctant to send it back. I am giving them until tomorrow to get back to me, then with advice from trading standards, who believe I have done more than I need to, I will be sending a letter stating the Supply of Goods and Services act 1982 and will see what happens from there. Any extra advice would be greatly recieved, and I will update as soon as I get answers.

Renault Espace - Garage sevices - Cyd

Just because something is new does not mean it is not, or cannot be, faulty. If this were the case, OEMs would have no need to ever offer any warranty and the SOGA would be completely wasted Parliamentary time.

In my previous life as an Automotive R&D Engineer, I have spent a few years in the warranty recovery department of a large Midlands manufacturer. I used to see pallet loads of returned turbos in the warehouse awaiting testing. As it happens, a significant proportion had no fault (dealer misdiagnosis), but a fair proportion were faulty in some way.

Sounds to me like you've an open and shut case. But the question must also be asked about what is the fault with the new turbo and why? Fitting a new turbo is all very well, but were any peripheral actions required that were not carried out? For example, if the original failed due to oil starvation to the bearings, then the cause of the starvation needs to be remedied or else the new turbo would suffer the same fate.

It seems to me that if this does go to County Court, you'll need more info than just "the turbo was not working".

Renault Espace - Garage sevices - 1jack

Thanks for the reply, it is basically what I was told by the specialist, sometimes things go wrong, new or old.

I didn't go in to massive detail above, but the specialist told me that the engine revved fine when the wastegate vavle was disconnected, but when reconnected it didn't go above 1500 rpm, indicating that the variable fins inside the turbo were at fault. I'm not mechanically minded but I think I've got the terminology right, but if not he said that it can only be the turbo that is at fault.

Renault Espace - Garage sevices - galileo

Thanks for the reply, it is basically what I was told by the specialist, sometimes things go wrong, new or old.

I didn't go in to massive detail above, but the specialist told me that the engine revved fine when the wastegate vavle was disconnected, but when reconnected it didn't go above 1500 rpm, indicating that the variable fins inside the turbo were at fault. I'm not mechanically minded but I think I've got the terminology right, but if not he said that it can only be the turbo that is at fault.

This suggests that the "wastegate" is not operating correctly. Turbos with movable internal fins do not have a "wastegate", the variable fins or vanes are a more efficient means of matching turbo output to power demand. Disconnecting the actuator that moves the vanes could affect the performance but the turbo would not be correctly matched to engine revs except at one engine speed and would either over- or under-boost at others.

On engines that do have just a simple wastegate, the wastegate valve is spring loaded shut and the actuator moves the valve in response to inlet manifold boost pressure acting on a diaphragm against the spring.

Renault Espace - Garage sevices - 1jack

Again, thanks so much for the reply it really is appreciated.

I have spoken to the garage this morning and they have told me they have ordered a turbo. I am not holding my breath, but we shall see. I did threaten trading standards, so maybe that has had an effect, I hope so.

Renault Espace - Garage sevices - galileo

I have spoken to the garage this morning and they have told me they have ordered a turbo.

As per my note above, if disconnecting the 'wastegate gadget' allowed it to rev, the turbo itself may be ok; the gadget that adjusts the turbo (the actuator) maybe faulty. Some are operated by boost pressure, some from signals from the ECU.

They are usually bolted onto the turbo itself but may not be easy to source separately and in any case need to be set accurately to give the proper response, so ordering a complete turbo and actuator is the safest (but most costly) fix.

Renault Espace - Garage sevices - 1jack
Thanks very much, still ongoing, phoning today, if there is no progress I am going to remove the car from them and take it elsewhere, I've had enough now.