Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Ellis
I'm sure I'm not the only recipient of this treatment, are HGV drivers under the impression that when they put their indicators on to pull out that all other drivers should scatter and make immediate way for them?

I was half way along an HGV trailer this morning, busy M6 minding my own business traffic moving well, when he decided he wanted to pull out whether I was there or not! He pushed me from the middle to outside lane and he wasn't for braking to let me pass, god forbid an HGV might slow down and let a car pass. With some forsight the car in the outside lane must have seen what was happening and created some space for me to be pushed into, seething anger doesn't come into it!!

I'm shouldn't tar all with the same brush but it seems to be happening more and more, conveniently this company did not participate in the "how am i driving scheme", this was the first time I actually felt annoyed enough to use them.

Thought about contacting company direct, is it worth it, probably not!?

Keep your eyes peeled you could be next.

Ellis



Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Shigg
A chap I worked with used to reward this kind of behaviour by slowing down in front of the HGV on the very next hill. I never bothered with this tactic, I was usually in too much of a rush to waste time.

Steve.
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Ellis
Can be effective but as my mum always said, two wrongs don't make a right

Ellis
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - smokie
And really helps traffic flow. Not. Still, he don't care, he's in front, that's what counts eh?
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - smokie
There are sometimes "two sides to the story" here, as I know from occasionally towing a caravan (twice a year at most).

I now tow using a 3.0 at a brisk speed, I overtake then responsibly return to the inside lane (unlike many drivers), as I know how much caravans get up the nose of otherwise rational people.

But you often end up with someone who wants to travel at the same speed as you, sitting in the middle lane alongside you and making it impossible for you to pull out to overtake. Or, you indicate and indicate that you want to pull out to overtake and no-one in the stream will give way or move out a lane to let you do so, even though many times the outside lane is free.

Like HGVs, you are handicapped by slowed acceleration and a capped top speed, and also there is sometimes the need to get a bit of a "run up" to get past some vehicles, and when someone blatantly ignores your efforts to be a responsible driver, irrational driving as you have described above may take place.

Not trying to suggest that you were guilty of any of this, but sometimes is isn't the main perpetrator who bears the brunt.
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Ellis
Smokie,

Fully understand and appreciate your comments, this was on the M6 at rush hour it wasn't really going to make much difference at all, as soon as you get to the M62 interchange it all stops anyway, it was the implied attitude of the driver of the HGV and the way he used his vehicle in this instance that wound me up.
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Toad, of Toad Hall.
Ellis, if the outside lane was clear and you could see he had something he needed to overtake why not just pull out to let him past knowing you've done your fellow man a favor?

He won't want to slow down because it takes forever to get going.

Of course if the outside lane was chocca then I'm wrong.
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These are my own opinions, and not necessarily those of all Toads.
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Ellis
Toad,

When I last had a glimpse in the mirror it was chocca, I'm not in the habit of frustrating other drivers for a laugh, I will move for HGVs, the majority give you a little time to get yourself sorted and move, this fella was the impatient type.

Ellis
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Dwight Van Driver
Be wary overtaking large vans and HGV's for there are blind spots in their rear view side mirrors.

This is generally when in the rear offside quarter.

Give them a chance to spot you before you pull alongside.

DtD you know what I mean.

DVD.
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - THe Growler
With respect there is more to it than this in my experience. THe old presumption that truckers were a polite helpful breed of road users is a thing of the past. See my post on the M25 thread of HJ's. Many of the ones that hassled me had non UK license plates.
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - James_Jameson
Yes, I have had experience of impatient HGVs and often vans. Despite my approaching to overtake, on a three-lane road, at a fairly high speed differential, vans and HGVs will often appear to wait until you have got quire close then pull out in front of you to overtake, despite there being no vehicle behing me for a long way - and then take ages to creep past what they are overtaking - why don't they wait for a few more seconds. Their impatient pulling out of sideroads is also a regular thing. sorry to single out a particular type of culprit, but this is my experience.
Bullying HGVs on M\'Way - Dave_TD
why don\'t they wait for a few more seconds.

Their impatient pulling out of sideroads is also a regular thing.


Why can\'t you wait for a few more seconds?
No matter whether I\'m in my cab, my van or my lorry, I know I\'m not driving the fastest vehicle on the road, or the hardest accelerating one. (Octavia SDi- 19sec to 60mph, and that\'s the fastest of the three!) It\'s also usually a timed delivery that I\'m making, so if I get baulked by an inconsiderate car driver it\'s going to take me 5 minutes to build up momentum again. Cars can easily gain or lose 20mph in a few seconds, lorries cannot.
Most lorries these days are also fitted with cruise control, this helps economy. If you work in a fleet of 10 or 20 drivers and you consistently take 20 minutes longer than the others to travel the same run, whilst returning 7mpg instead of 8.5mpg, the excuse that you\'re trying not to annoy cars on the motorway isn\'t going to wash.
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Dave_TD
Is the swear filter broken again?
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Dynamic Dave
Is the swear filter broken again?


For some reason it's always ignored the 4 letter word that's the equivalent meaning for urine.
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - HF
DD & DTD,

didn't notice the urine word, was it one of you ? :O
HF

Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Dynamic Dave
DD & DTD,
didn't notice the urine word, was it one of you ?


www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=10315&...t

3rd paragragh of Ellis's post. Well I guess that's what DTD was refering to?
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - HF
TY, DD,

yeah I'm sure this is what DTD meant.
HF
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Dynamic Dave
I always remember the slogan I saw written on the back of a lorry:

If you can't see my mirrors, I can't see you!
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - smokie
"This is generally when in the rear offside quarter."

And alongside the cab, I presume, unless they look down. Which might work for the driver side but not the passenger side.
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - THe Growler
Maybe I've got my beer goggles on or maybe I'm looking at life through that rose-tinted rear view mirror again -- shoot me down if that's so -- but I have driven all over the USA and I've seen tons (appropriate metaphor) of bad driving, but those big ole Macks and Kenworth 18 wheelers never seem to be driven the way I'm talking.

I love that blast on the air horn they give you when you rock past on your Harley, they usually give you space and appreciate your difficulties in poor weather conditions.

I just say again every driving experience I had last month in UK on the motorways was intensely nerve-wracking and truck behavior had a lot to do with that. I don't know why. Maybe their comp and ben packages are based on journey time, or maybe they get p***ed because their speed is limited, or maybe their company policies are onerous or their old lady's got PMS or something.
I tried to give them space and let them move over when they wanted to. Much of the hassling I got was patently deliberate.

Maybe next time I'll take a Hummer with a cruise missile on the roof.... :-)


Bullying HGVs on M'Way - terryb
Growler

Can I have a drive of the Hummer? Please, please, please!!!!
:o)
Terry
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - volvod5_dude
>>And alongside the cab, I presume, unless they look down. Which might work for the driver side but not the passenger side.

There is a mirror fixed to the top of the passenger door which is directed straight down to overcome this blind spot. When I used to drive juggernaughts I found very little problem with blind spots on the offside if one was observant. The nearside is a different matter, and if a car is moving up the nearside of an LGV the LGV driver will not see it as there is a bad blind spot about halfway along. If you look you may see a cluster of three mirrors on the nearside of an LGV to try and overcome this, it doesn't. So beware if you are trying to undertake on the nearside, you might get a nasty surprise when/if the LGV returns to the nearside lane. Basic rule of thumb give LGVs plenty of space, especially on roundabouts! Do not assume that you can be seen!

VD5D.
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - borasport20
Last year, never having driven anything much bigger than an LWB Transit, I had to hire a seven tonner for a day of two while moving house, and boy, was that an education !!!

Now I usually give anything bigger than me MUCH more room than I used to.


I have to grow old - but I don't have to grow up
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - No Do$h
Just to throw another point in here, please all watch out when overtaking foreign registered HGVs. LHD trucks have a blindspot alongside and forward of the cab on RHS. If you are overtaking, they could check their mirrors, see a *clear* road and pull out, catching your rear N/S and spinning you across the front of the truck.

Happens an awful lot on the M20 and near other major ports.
No Dosh ** Quick, talk motoring, Mark's coming! **
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Flat in Fifth
To follow on from No Dosh..

We are all pedestrians when out of our cars so don't forget that RHD trucks have a blind spot in front of the cab on the LHS. So think just as you are about to step out in front of that heavy waiting at a pedestrian crossing and give him and yourself a bit more room.

Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Micky
If truck mirrors were designed correctly, there wouldn't be blind spots.
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - volvod5_dude
>>If truck mirrors were designed correctly, there wouldn't be blind spots.

How does one design a mirror that can enable one to see through a 40' trailer? There is always going to be blind spots on vehicles of that size. Unless some sort of cctv system is used but even that could distract the driver. Other drivers just need to be careful around LGVs it's as simple as that. It's called defensive driving I believe, and a good thing to learn.

VD5D
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Micky
vovlo5dud wrote:

">How does one design a mirror that can enable one to see through a 40' trailer?<"

What's that got to do with not spotting cars when they are already half way past?

"> was half way along an HGV trailer this morning<"

or blind spots in front of the cab?

">RHD trucks have a blind spot in front of the cab on the LHS.<"

?
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - jeds
People make mistakes. The same thing happened to me 2 weeks ago at 70mph on the M4 near Cardiff. It was a young girl in a small hatch. I was directly by the side of her and she pulled out nearly pushing me into the central reservation.

According to my passenger she checked her door mirror but I was obviously too far forward to show up. No point getting upset about it she obviously just made a mistake. I could tell she was more upset about it than me.
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Flat in Fifth
or blind spots in front of the cab?
">RHD trucks have a blind spot in front of the cab
on the LHS.<"
?


Clearly questioned by someone who has never driven a truck.

True fatal accident.

Old lady set off to cross a pedestrian crossing in front of a HGV. She was small and slow. Truck set off running her over with extremely unfortunate results.

One would think the truck driver would have been hung drawn and quartered.

Actually the accident investigation proved conclusively that the driver could not possibly have seen the old lady.

ie Blind spot in front of the cab LHS. Could be cured either by fitting a mirror above the windscreen looking down, or having a clear panel between the bottom of the screen and what might be called the grille. You do in fact see the latter on some vehicles nowadays.

comprende?

Bullying HGVs on M'Way - DeeJay
If you have the ideas Micky , don't just sit there , get on and design a totally effective mirror system . A lot of clever people have tried and they haven't quite succeeded yet !
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Micky
Deejay wrote;

"> If you have the ideas Micky , don't just sit there , get on and design a totally effective mirror system <"

No problem ............. are you going to pay me?
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - DeeJay
Personally Micky , no , but I can think of a number of multi-national truck manufacturers who might if you succeed .Good luck!
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Micky
Deejay wrote:

">Personally Micky , no ,<"

So there's probably no money in it then?
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Pat L
Agree with the blind spot problems with lorries, but I can't help feeling (like Growler) that with some truckers it's just sheer b*****-mindedness. About a year ago someone started a thread on this forum asking if he had witnessed the record for slow overtaking of one truck by another - 17 miles on a dual carriageway in S. Scotland!

Pat
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - mal
To get to my village I have to slow down to take a sharp turn off the A1 dual carriageway, this happens to be downhill And I have had some terrifying moments if there happens to be a lorry behind me as they neither want to slow down nor pull out into the outside lane and sometimes get to within a few feet of me as I turn off.
Hate to imagine what it would be like for me if they were allowed to go any faster!.
Mal.
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Phil I
>respect truckers and ANTICIPATE their needs<

Hear Hear to that HJ. We should also remember no one ever wins an argument with a 38tonner. (Not in a car anyway)

Happy Motoring Phil I
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - mal
>respect truckers and ANTICIPATE their needs<
Hear Hear to that HJ. We should also remember no one
ever wins an argument with a 38tonner. (Not in a car
anyway)
Happy Motoring Phil I

Yes and the losers are usually killed!
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - PhilW
There are undoubtedly some inconsiderate HGV drivers but the vast majority are v. good at their job. I accept most of the points made above. However, one must sympathise with ANYONE who earns a living by driving on British roads (esp. motorways) at the moment - it must be incredibly frustrating for much of the time. I am just thankful that I don't and usually when I am travelling a few minutes either way doesn't make much difference. Perhaps we should all be a little more patient and sympathetic!
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Dave_TD
Thankyou Phil!
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - THe Growler
I concede HJ's point but I know when a trucker is bullying me and when he's asking for space. I got plenty of the former on that little trip I made a few weeks back.

Of course if your govt got your rail system to work maybe that would take care of some of the freight issues...thenI s'pose we'd have the truckers union whinging......
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Micky
What's the matter Growly ................ can't live with the "cut and thrust" of UK roads these days?



;-)
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - chris p crisps ©
HGV's have two throttle settings fully to the floor or off,and if you dare cause the driver to think otherwise watch out.
chris
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - doug_523i
I came over the Thelwall Viaduct the other day and faced one mile of nose to tail lorries, who weren't going to make any room for drivers wanting the M56. Life is a two-way street, if truckers want us to think of them then we need the same treatment from them.
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Shigg
Hmmm.... reminds me of the two wheeled maniacs thread.

Steve.
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Toad, of Toad Hall.
Hmmm.... reminds me of the two wheeled maniacs thread.


Was thinking that myself.

Can't see it reaching 130 odd posts without some judicious post deleting though.
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These are my own opinions, and not necessarily those of all Toads.
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Shigg
We'll have to see about that!

Just to add more postings, I still think that the Honda Jazz advert sums it all up!

Steve.
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - mal
Never seen the Honda Jazz ad. what's it all about? or do have to watch it.

Wife has one so I'd be interested.
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Flat in Fifth
Never seen the Honda Jazz ad. what's it all about? or
do have to watch it.


click on pecking order to download

www.honda.co.uk/multimedia/index.html

basically to precis


"cyclists hate pedestrians
cars hate cyclists
lorries hate everyone
everyone despises tractors

aren't we all just trying to get somewhere"
Bullying HGVs on M'Way - Mark (RLBS)
Another thread which has run its natural course, I think.

Thank you.

 

Value my car