Proof of no claims discount headache. - pullgees

My AA renewal came through and as they decided to jack up the premium I decided to go elsewhere. My new insurance company are asking for proof of NCD so phoned the AA and was told I'd received it in three days after my insurance had expired. So should have it by now.

I've switched companies many times and this is the first time I've been asked for proof, presumably the insurance companiies used to talk to each other.

What's going on here, have they changed the system? Whatever the case, it must be causing a lot of hassle with staff on call centers getting endless calls about this problem. Why makes things so hard for their customers, I have would have thought there would be a central database by now anyway, there seems to a central database for just about everthing else.

Proof of no claims discount headache. - Drivethru

I was told that I could use my renewal as proof of no claims as all the details were the same. Can you not do that?

Proof of no claims discount headache. - pullgees

I was told that I could use my renewal as proof of no claims as all the details were the same. Can you not do that?

I've just noticed on my AA renewal statement under the heading 'About Your Driving Experience' it say "includes 10 years no claims bonus..." If that's all the new insureres need then I'll send it on. I must say they don't make it obvious to spot. Maybe I'm getting all boiled up about nothing.

Proof of no claims discount headache. - Drivethru

I think you should be ok with that, I can't remember which insurance company it was but they told me to hang on to the renewal and use it as proof. You are right though, they don't make anything easy!

Proof of no claims discount headache. - gordonbennet

I had similar, sent renewal through to Coop as proof of no claims, had a snotty letter a few days later threatening to cancel my new policy if i didn't send proof immediately.

Cue a ridiculously long phone call trying to explain to the worlds most obtuse woman how to read an NFU renewal notice.

Went elsewhere after a year, perish thr thought of how they'd handle a claim, was with them twenty to thirty years ago and they couldn't have been more different.

Proof of no claims discount headache. - pullgees

I had similar, sent renewal through to Coop as proof of no claims, had a snotty letter a few days later threatening to cancel my new policy if i didn't send proof immediately.

Cue a ridiculously long phone call trying to explain to the worlds most obtuse woman how to read an NFU renewal notice.

Went elsewhere after a year, perish thr thought of how they'd handle a claim, was with them twenty to thirty years ago and they couldn't have been more different.

Customer service has gone down the s*** hole, what we have now is corporate remoteness using robots in call centres and "the computer says nah!" culture.

Proof of no claims discount headache. - Armitage Shanks {p}

I have just moved from SAGA to Aviva (and saved £90 on a £300 premium). I had proof of no-claims from the SAGA renewal but they didn't want to see it so, as someone else has suggested, perhaps the companies have some shared data-base of info?

Proof of no claims discount headache. - pullgees

I have just moved from SAGA to Aviva (and saved £90 on a £300 premium). I had proof of no-claims from the SAGA renewal but they didn't want to see it so, as someone else has suggested, perhaps the companies have some shared data-base of info?

I'm told that there is no shared database. Some companies will contact each other for the info, but according to Swinton the AA won't talk to them.

Edited by pullgees on 08/11/2013 at 08:24

Proof of no claims discount headache. - dan86

It can depend on weather the insurance companies are in the same group like Admiral and diamond ect are part of the same group along with direct line and Churchill ect so when u change insurance within a group it can make it alot eaiser. When I was with direct line and my renewal came up I got a cheaper quote with privilege and as it was within the same group no hassle with proof of ncb.

Proof of no claims discount headache. - bathtub tom

>> according to Swinton the AA won't talk to them.

Can't blame the AA for that. I was with Swinton for a year and was bombarded with cold calls and junk mail, so I left.

Proof of no claims discount headache. - pullgees

Anyway I now got proof of my NCB from the AA in PDF format, but Swinton can't accept emails as they haven't got a secure server. What's up with these companies that can't receive emails in this day and age? So now I got to post it.

Proof of no claims discount headache. - Avant

"I have just moved from SAGA to Aviva...."

I sincerely hope you never have a claim, AS. When my car wa sstolen a few years ago Aviva virtually accused me of fraud, simply because the thief broke into the house and stole a set of keys, rather than forcing entry into the car. The situation was resolved only by the police finding the car.

Proof of no claims discount headache. - SteveLee

This is yet another con in the insurance industry - they share information via a (compulsory) national insurance database - they know your history - they know your current no claims entitlement - but if you don’t "prove" it within their deadline, they'll cancel your new policy and hold a chunk of cash back for the administration costs (which costs them pennies) – to make matters worse you will then have to declare you’ve had a policy cancelled with future insurers and they’ll hike your policy for the privilege – now for the really funny bit, if you feel hard-done-by and fail to declare that you’ve had a policy cancelled (because you did nothing wrong) they will insure you knowing you have given “false” details – take your money and then if there’s a claim against you they’ll “discover” your little untruth and cancel your policy leaving you with a lot of explaining to do when the 3 rd party come knocking for their money. There are even dodgy companies whose entire income is via the NCD-not-in-time-cancel-your-policy scam.

Proof of no claims discount headache. - pullgees

This is yet another con in the insurance industry - they share information via a (compulsory) national insurance database -

Can you supply a link to the organization please? There is the MIB and they have the database which is used to exchange information between insurance companies, the police, DVLA etc., but they do do hold records of NCB.

www.mib.org.uk/Motor+Insurance+Database/en/MID+Faq...m

Proof of no claims discount headache. - SteveLee

There is a minimum amount of data held on MID there are also "general" fields that hold free-form data - containing all sorts of nuggets of information - the MID specification only specifies the minimum amount of data held and shared to appear to be witin the realms of data protection act, although by accepting a policy you are agreeing to "interested parties" (other MID users) having access to your personal data outside the realms of the data protection act.

Proof of no claims discount headache. - pullgees

There is a minimum amount of data held on MID there are also "general" fields that hold free-form data - containing all sorts of nuggets of information - the MID specification only specifies the minimum amount of data held and shared to appear to be witin the realms of data protection act, although by accepting a policy you are agreeing to "interested parties" (other MID users) having access to your personal data outside the realms of the data protection act.

General fields, free form-data? I have no idea what you are talking about. All I know is what they state on their web site, "The database does not hold details of claims or accidents or No Claims Bonus". As shown in the link above.

Edited by pullgees on 09/11/2013 at 16:13

Proof of no claims discount headache. - martint123

There are quite a few other insurance databases floating around where they exchange information. MID (or MIB) is the 'official' one that plod uses.

www.insurancedatabases.co.uk/default.aspx (CUE)

www.insurancefraudbureau.org/

www.experian.co.uk/blogs/latest-thinking/2013/06/n.../

The No Claims Discount (NCD) database – a centralised database of records associated with any individual’s ‘no claims discounts’ has been launched.

For the first time in the UK, the insurance industry will be able to confidently, quickly and easily validate the ‘no claims’ history declared by individuals during the quotation, underwriting and claims processes.

Proof of no claims discount headache. - pullgees

Thanks for that. Now all the insurances companies have got to do is use it instead of pestering their customers, it has to save them time as well.

Proof of no claims discount headache. - Armitage Shanks {p}

Re my earlier post, my SAGA renewal notice stated my no-claims bonus; I telephoned them to say I was not renewing and I got a letter giving notice of the date of policy ending and another statement of my no claims entitlement

Proof of no claims discount headache. - Andrew-T

< The No Claims Discount (NCD) database – a centralised database of records associated with any individual’s ‘no claims discounts’ has been launched.

For the first time in the UK, the insurance industry will be able to confidently, quickly and easily validate the ‘no claims’ history declared by individuals during the quotation, underwriting and claims processes. >

That all sounds hunky-dory. But I have to ask what the response will be if one's NCD details are not found on this database - will the default assumption be that one has none?

Edited by Andrew-T on 11/11/2013 at 11:26

Proof of no claims discount headache. - martint123

It also seems to be a commercial operation with no compulsion.