New car privacy concerns - Polovaux

Hello everyone,

I’m in the market for a new car and have been considering the smaller city cars, but I can’t shake off my concerns about privacy in all of these new connected cars. As someone who values personal space and data security, I find myself feeling a bit overwhelmed by the implications of these smart cars. I’d love to hear your thoughts and advice on navigating this complex landscape.

I recently came across a report from Mozilla that categorizes modern cars as significant privacy risks. It seems that many manufacturers are collecting not just basic telemetry data, but also sensitive personal information, including our driving habits and locations, and realtime gps data. It’s unsettling to think that the vehicle I choose could be a gateway for invasive data collection. I want to enjoy the convenience of a connected car, but I’m worried about how much of my personal information might be at risk.

Additionally, I’ve learned that several car brands, like Toyota and General Motors, are facing lawsuits for mishandling telemetry data and breaching privacy laws. This raises serious questions about how transparent these companies are regarding their data practices. As a potential buyer, I feel like I’m stepping into a minefield without a clear understanding of what I’m getting into. How can I trust manufacturers who may prioritize profit over my privacy?

Another concern I have is the potential for insurance companies to use telemetry data to determine my car insurance premiums, as they have done in the USA. It feels invasive to think that my driving behavior could be constantly monitored and used against me. Moreover, I’ve heard that law enforcement agencies can access this data for investigations, which adds another layer of worry about surveillance. I’m also concerned about how telemetry data might affect warranty claims or even lead to penalties for speeding based on my driving patterns.

The new & upcoming EU and UK Data acts that include provisions for vehicle telemetry data, also does not instill confidence on how our car telematics data is going to be used by external organisations.

On top of all this, I’ve read about issues with connected cars drawing constant power from the 12V batteries in internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles, leading to flat battery problems. For instance, the UK Yaris Hybrid has faced complaints about this very issue. It’s frustrating to think that the technology designed to enhance my driving experience could also lead to unexpected inconveniences.

I’m reaching out to this community for advice. How can I make an informed decision when considering a small compact car that'll also constantly be "connected"? Are there specific brands or models that prioritize user privacy? What steps can I take to protect my data while still enjoying the benefits of modern technology? I appreciate any insights or experiences you can share as I navigate this important decision. Thank you!

New car privacy concerns - Orb>>.

The answer.

Get rid of your laptop, smart phone smart tv, credit and debit cards and buy a pushbike.

Personally, past caring.

New car privacy concerns - gordonbennet

The most basic vehicles are probably the best bet new, thinking of Dacia here though that's pure guesswork they might be as nosy as any other, a car without satnav and without auto dialling the state in the event the car thinks you've had an accident may be less likely to track you 24/7.

You could instead go older and maintain it impeccably for a long life, by the time its worn out these lunatic politicians and their owners might have managed to start the WW3 they're desperate to have or forced through their digital currency plans, either case its all over bar the shouting anyway.

Personally i'd go older, not because worried too much about a jackbooted state (they couldn't run a booze up in a brewery) just don't want all the electronic nannying faff (enough of that junk in the trucks i drive), get a low mileage quality car, preferably Toyota, look after it well and it'll easily last 20 years plus.

Edited by gordonbennet on 23/07/2025 at 13:07

New car privacy concerns - Adampr

If you don't connect your phone to your car, it won't be sending data anywhere apart from the garage that services it and plugs a diagnostic machine into it.

New car privacy concerns - Falkirk Bairn

As far as I am concerned they are welcome to the knowledge that I filled up yesterday at a local filling station and visited a supermarket in the morning.

Afternoon visited a local son and picked up my granddaughter. Normally I help her with Maths but schools are on holiday in Scotland.

Today I was at the Bank and popped into a shop and bought odds and ends.

The Credit card would have tracked 3 of the stops I made iin 2 days. the local shop was cash!

New car privacy concerns - Polovaux

I'm not sure if i can posts links to articles and youtube videos on here, so i won't for the time being until i receive clarification.

Anyhow, after reading the Mozilla Foundation's report on car privacy, and I’m really worried about what it reveals. It turns out that major car manufacturers are collecting an alarming amount of personal data, including sensitive information like health diagnoses, voice data, phone contacts and photos, and according to the mozilla report, even sexual activity data! Shockingly, around 84% of these companies share or sell this data to third parties, including data brokers, marketing, and car insurance companies, and they have also disclosed this data to government agencies and law enforcement without our consent.

These connected cars have esim connect devices installed that constantly transmit driver data and telematics to the car manufacturers servers, and these connected devices cannot be cannot be switched off, opted out of, or uninstalled.

What’s even more concerning is that recently, 2 UK police forces admitted to using car microphones via the eCall function, alongside telemetry data, to spy on individuals that were arranging certain protests. This raises serious privacy issues.

New EU and UK regulations are also being proposed to utilize real-time driver telemetry data to calculate car insurance premiums based on driving behavior, as was the case involving Toyota in the USA, where they shared and sold car owner data to insurance providers to help them calculate insurance premiums.

This data is not only used for insurance but also plays a role in accepting or rejecting warranty claims. Additionally, they're discussing the prospect of individuals being fined for speeding through tracking real-time speedometer logs.

I think we really need to be aware of these issues as we consider the implications of connected cars, as it could hit out pockets and prove to be even more costly long term.

New car privacy concerns - Andrew-T

Additionally, they're discussing the prospect of individuals being fined for speeding through tracking real-time speedometer logs.

Well, everyone knows (or should know) the speed limits (tho we may dispute some which we see as unnecessary), so should not grumble about being caught exceeding them. It's just that we have (nearly) always been able to avoid being caught till now. Not fair !! :-)

New car privacy concerns - Polovaux

All new connected cars come with an esim eConnect device installed, that constantly transmits user data to the manufacturers server. It can't be swiched off or uninstalled or deactivated.

New car privacy concerns - Polovaux

Thank you. Yes you are right. That makes complete logical sense. I think I will start looking for an older reliable toyota and maintain it the best I can!

New car privacy concerns - John F

The answer.

Get rid of your laptop, smart phone smart tv, credit and debit cards and buy a pushbike.

.......and make sure it's not from China!

www.temu.com/uk/2025--bike-bell-black--device-loca...6

Or....buy a 'historic vehicle', e.g. my 1980 TR7. No fancy electrics or sensors to go wrong (unless driver's nose affected by hay fever and ears by wax) and the engine management system is two wires - one for the choke and one for the carburettor air intake butterfly valves.

New car privacy concerns - mcb100
Nothing to hide, nothing to worry about.
New car privacy concerns - Polovaux

The argument that one has "nothing to hide" is often seen as a flawed and simplistic counterclaim. If this perspective holds true, then why do people take measures to secure their homes, such as locking their doors and windows? For instance, consider the act of locking your front door. If you truly have nothing to hide, why not leave it open? This behavior reflects a common understanding that privacy is essential, even in the absence of wrongdoing.

Moreover, think about how we protect our personal devices. Most people use passwords on their smartphones and computers. If someone has nothing to hide, why not leave their devices unlocked for anyone to access? This is similar to how we might choose to keep our financial information private. Just because we are not engaging in illegal activities does not mean we want our bank statements or personal correspondence exposed to the public or other external organisations.

Additionally, consider the medical field. Patients often share sensitive health information with their doctors, expecting confidentiality. If the "nothing to hide" argument were valid, patients would have no qualms about sharing their medical records with anyone. However, the need for privacy in healthcare underscores the importance of protecting personal information, regardless of whether it is deemed incriminating.

Ultimately, the desire for privacy is a fundamental aspect of human nature, and it should be respected. Just as we lock our doors and safeguard our personal information, we should also recognize the value of privacy in all aspects of life.

New car privacy concerns - Lee Power

EU laws already cover connected vehicles, the data they generate & the owners privacy.

For an EU market vehicle ( this includes the UK ) owners have nothing to worry about the vehicle being connected & what its doing with its data.

The vehicle knows where it is at all times but the eCall system fitted wont transmit the vehicles location unless an airbag is fired OR a person inside the vehicle presses the SOS button for help.

There is a lot of scare mongering videos online about connected vehicles & data collection that has no relevance for EU / UK market vehicles, remember the USA where a lot of these videos come from, they dont have the same laws & protections so there data does get sold for commercial gain.

New car privacy concerns - Ethan Edwards

I guess you could wrap your entire car in a couple of layers of Bacofoil? Or buy a new Burner phone every week putting the old one in the back of a parked lorry.

Or stop watching Will Smith films like Enemy of the State. You makes your choices.

New car privacy concerns - badbusdriver

The argument that one has "nothing to hide" is often seen as a flawed and simplistic counterclaim. If this perspective holds true, then why do people take measures to secure their homes, such as locking their doors and windows? For instance, consider the act of locking your front door. If you truly have nothing to hide, why not leave it open?

An utterly ridiculous and bizarre comparison which implies the only reason people lock their door is because they have something to hide!.

New car privacy concerns - Andrew-T

The argument that one has "nothing to hide" is often seen as a flawed and simplistic counterclaim. If this perspective holds true, then why do people take measures to secure their homes, such as locking their doors and windows? .

That's daft. We don't lock doors for 'privacy', it's to stop others nicking our property. At least without breaking and entering !

New car privacy concerns - KB.

It's quite nice when someone comes across as having a decent command of th English language and uses phrases which aren't necesarrily in common parlance. But then they go and spoil it with sentences like ....

The argument that one has "nothing to hide" is often seen as a flawed and simplistic counterclaim. If this perspective holds true, then why do people take measures to secure their homes, such as locking their doors and windows? For instance, consider the act of locking your front door. If you truly have nothing to hide, why not leave it open? This behavior reflects a common understanding that privacy is essential, even in the absence of wrongdoing.

New car privacy concerns - Xileno

I'm far from convinced the thread is genuine so locking it for now.

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