Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - davecooper

I know this subject has been discussed on here before (I do now anyway) and seem to have fallen into the same trap as many others, namely thinking "Call Mazda First" was a manufacturer run service as opposed to what it really is, an accident management service.

Until someone piled into the side of my four month old Mazda CX-30, I had not had an accident in over 35 years so am pretty new to all of this. I rang the number Mazda gives out believing this was all Mazda managed. However, I now know that my case is being handled by an accident management company. I now feel I should have gone through my insurer but it is now too late as they are dropping off a hire car and picking mine up tomorrow. Hopefully everything will go well and my worries will be unfounded.

My question is, as this car is on a PCP, will the finance company have an interest in their asset? Also, if it is a write off, which looking at it it could well be, where will I stand with respect to getting a new replacement. My insurance policy has a "new for old" clause which provides a new car if yours is written off in the first year but I am not sure if that will be the case if they are not liable for the repairs/replacement.

Any advice welcome.

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - chris87
Other than having some questions, what makes you “regret” calling Mazda accident first? It seems like you’re very early in the process, what are the red flags?

I don’t think I would have more trust in an insurance company, they’re all scum at the end of the day.
Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - davecooper

I'll be absolutely honest and admit that I looked at some reviews of the "Call Mazda First" service. I only did this after I had realised that the person I was dealing with actually worked for an accident management company and had nothing to do with Mazda. Perhaps I was being a bit naive in thinking Mazda had their own department for this.

The reviews did not specifically criticise Mazda themselves but accident management companies in general, basically saying they made their money by charging the insurance companies inflated prices and that they were no better and in many cases worse that dealing directly with your own insurer.

This may be complete rubbish of course like so many reviews and my concerns are probably unfounded. However, it did make me wonder whether I had done the right thing. I should point out that the accident was not my fault and the other party has admitted total liability so there is no issue there.

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - Falkirk Bairn

Not your fault - 3rd party agrees it was their client's fault

Might have been better to have spoken to the insurer. told them you wanted the car fixed at your preferred body shop. They would hire & pay for the car rental , no excess on repair - Simples but at this point it is probably too late to change,

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - davecooper

Yes, too late now so I will just have to put this one down to experience. The problem is that after such an event, you just want to get everything sorted as quickly as possible and you tend to go into auto, perhaps not thinking things through in slow time as you probably should. Easy to say after the event of course. This accident happened five minutes walk from my home so I was on the phone within 30 minutes of the accident.

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - mcb100
The advantage of Call Mazda First is that the car, if being repaired, will go to a Mazda approved bodyshop, with the assurance of a manufacturer approved repair.
Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - davecooper

Which is why I thought this was the best way to go.

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - daveyjp

If its 100% other party's fault you should be OK. The hire rate could be a rip off, so check how much it is and that you aren't liable for the cost of it (check the small print, don't believe what you are told).

However if your car is written off the hire car may only be available for a few days once the decision is made. You are then without a vehicle,

Finance company will need to know and it then depends how they treat it. If its new for old they may roll over the agreement, they could however take the write off amount and pay off the loan, but it may not be enough to cover the debt,

Do you have GAP insurance?

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - davecooper

Not GAP insurance as such, just new car replacement if car is written off within 12 months from new. Liability is not an issue as I have dashcam footage of the accident. The small print states a free courtesy car will be provided for the duration of the repair so I am ok unless it is written off in which case I need to find out the situation regarding liability for the courtesy car as you point out. I just get that niggling feeling that there might be some bumps in this ride but I hope to be proved wrong.

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - mcb100
It’s a company called Verex, who supply ‘own label’ insurance products for multiple manufacturers from Jaguar to Dacia, including Mazda on the way.
I can’t see any downside to utilising their services in that they’ll liaise with your insurance company to, hopefully, get your car repaired.
It’s basically Mazda ensuring your car is repaired to their standards at no cost to you.
Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - Andrew-T

Standing back from this, it occurs to me that if my 4-month-old car was a borderline write-off, I might not want it straightened out, as the damage must be serious ?

My own car was ready to be written off after a no-fault collision, but I had owned it for 8 years and I preferred to have it repaired locally. It's still running so I'm glad I did. Part of the problem is that quotes for an insurance repair always allow for OEM parts, which will inflate the price noticeably. One example: headlamp cluster for Pug 207 - £155 each. For an almost 9-year-old car a decent used one is about £40, but of course a professional bodyshop won't guarantee such items.

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - davecooper

Yes, I am an innocent bystander in all of this and don't have much say in what happens to my car. Like you say, if it is borderline write off then I'm not sure I would want it dragged back from the brink as I don't think it would ever be the same again. I suppose they will have to use OEM parts to comply with the manufacturers warranty conditions but that is why I chose the Call Mazda First route as they guaranteed this would be the case.

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - Engineer Andy

What I don't like is that many insurers insist on using 'their' repairer, who often is not a main dealer or specialist for the make of car you own.

To me, that smacks of penny-pinching, which could have a serious impact on the value of your car, especially if they either don't use quality parts or (as seems to be often the case) don't do a good job visually on panel repairs, paint matching, etc.

We shouldn't have to choose between that or going to a (what looks like to me) dodgy ambulance chaser that will jack up insurance premiums by charging exhorbitant rates for care hire and take forever to fix relatively simple problems.

I thought that the government had outlawed such firms/practices to stop this sort of thing happening. Maybe it didn't go far enough.

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - davecooper

Well the blurb in the document says the car will repaired using genuine Mazda parts at a Mazda approved repairer with a guarantee that resale value and warranty will be maintained. Lets hope so.

Edited by davecooper on 22/03/2021 at 14:00

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - alan1302

What I don't like is that many insurers insist on using 'their' repairer, who often is not a main dealer or specialist for the make of car you own.

Will the main dealer do a better job? When it comes to most other times on here people recommend not using the main dealers for work as they are expensive and not as good.

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - mcb100
Most dealerships don’t have bodyshops on site, they’ll either pass work on to a manufacturer approved body repair business or if they’re part of a dealer group there may be a group bodyshop with the relevant accreditations.
Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - Engineer Andy

What I don't like is that many insurers insist on using 'their' repairer, who often is not a main dealer or specialist for the make of car you own.

Will the main dealer do a better job? When it comes to most other times on here people recommend not using the main dealers for work as they are expensive and not as good.

I suppose it depends upon whether the car's warranty will be affected - even if OEM parts are used, it will down to whether the repairer's technicians and mechanics have the skills/knowhow to properly fix the specific car, given cars aren't just lego bricks to just reassemble.

When my dad's previous Fiesta had to be repaired (new front side panel), the indie repairer the insurer told him to use (not the lcoal Ford dealership) did a poor job, particularly on the respray.

TBH, insurers should have a network of accredited and above all proven quality repairers for each make and model of car - whether that is a main dealer or indepenedent/specialist - no problem in using the cheapest, as long as that outfit has the ability to do a high quality job for the car in question.

I was lucky to have an accident repair on my old 90s Micra underatken at a good quality main dealer (it was the insurers 'approved one' - though not my normal one, but not any further away). No fuss, courtesy car for a week, back on time, excellent work.

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - chris87
Not being rude, but I still don’t understand what the issue or question is here...

There’s no reason to be worried about Call Mazda First, you’re just disappointed they’re not ran by Mazda. That’s normal and expected, no car company would run a call centre, just like they don’t manufacture their own parts (batteries, spark plugs, tyres etc.). Reviews from those who had anything to do with it seem to be good.

It’s probably too early to worry about anything, if at all...
Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - davecooper

To be honest, there isn't really an issue, I just wanted to put my mind at rest. After something like this happens, everyone tells you they would be the best people to handle your claim and you end up wondering if you have gone with the right people in the first place. However, I am happy with the way I went and won't be losing any more sleep over it.

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - Galad

I’ve also just recently bought a new Mazda and the suite of promo leaflets and key fobs all recommend Call Mazda First. Ten years ago, I was hit from behind at 10mph in a 2 year old Vauxhall Corsa and my broker immediately arranged for an accident management company to handle the claim, which was handled very efficiently (apart from the repeated calls from their legal eagles urging me to check with my doctor that there were no personal injuries sustained).

My only concern about using Mazda’s claims handling service is being absolutely sure that in not informing my own insurer in the first instance, I could be in breach of small print somewhere in the policy Ts &Cs. Evidently, there is money to be made here somewhere, if not in the excessive hire car charges and repairs then maybe in injury claims. Think I’ll stick with my own insurer for peace of mind.

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - skidpan

Coming up 4 years ago the wife was rear ended by white van man whilst driving her Nissan Note. I informed our insurers and our loss recovery people who immediately wanted to instruct a claims management company, I said no need, will just need you to sort out the excess after the car is sorted, all happy at that.

Approved repairer (who just happened to be the Nissan garage) said it needed a new tailgate, a new bumper, new number paint, paint and sundries, total cost about £2100 + VAT. We did not need a hire car. Car booked in pending approval but white van man rang wanting to sort out without insurance but he was shocked at the price I had been quoted. I agreed to get a quote from a local reputable body shop who said it needed a new tailgate, a new bumper, new number paint, paint and sundries, total cost just under £1600 inc VAT.

White van man was happy at that, paid the garage direct and they did the repairs, job spot on as expected.

I did ask them about the parts being aftermarket, they said they avoid them wherever possible, any monies saved on the parts would likely be taken up by extra labour making them fit properly.

At the next renewal despite all the horror stories on here about premiums rising even after a no fault accident our annual premium had fallen.

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - davecooper

I won't go into details at this point, I'll just say that the way things have gone this week does not fill me with confidence. I have a courtesy car at least but mine still sits forlornly in the drive and will be until sometime next week due to a misunderstanding over who was meant to be picking it up. I hope I am wrong but this feels like the beginning of a saga.

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - Manatee

I won't go into details at this point, I'll just say that the way things have gone this week does not fill me with confidence. I have a courtesy car at least but mine still sits forlornly in the drive and will be until sometime next week due to a misunderstanding over who was meant to be picking it up. I hope I am wrong but this feels like the beginning of a saga.

Unfortunately getting things sorted quickly is not what claims management is about. The big money spinner is the credit hire. The car will be at least £35 a day and could easily be £50 - £100 a day (or a lot more if your car is a Range Rover and they helpfully provide you with a similar car) and the provider will get paid from the claim on the third party. so if it goes on for a month, the charge could be well into the thousands. If the claim is disputed, your name is on the invoice.

Our last accident was a no fault one to my wife's car. Rather than go through our insurer (they would probably also have passed it to a claims management company) we approached the third party insurer direct who jumped at the chance to sort it out with us directly using our choice of repairer. They know it is a lot less likely to result in a whiplash claim and they can control the hire cost - I agreed to take a Hyundai i20 and I saw the invoice - under £20 a day, and billed to the insurer.

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - Galad

The guy who rear-ended me wasn't impressed that I went through my insurer and tried to bully me into letting him handle the repairs - he tried to to get me to believe that he had the legal right to do so! My car was only 2 years old so the work needed to be done properly with the insurer guaranteeing the repair. The surprise package was an unexpected cheque for £750 to compensate me for the potential depreciation for the accident damage (new tailgate and bumper/paint)!!

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - skidpan

The surprise package was an unexpected cheque for £750 to compensate me for the potential depreciation for the accident damage (new tailgate and bumper/paint)!!

Never heard of that before, who was your insurance company. Seems very strange getting money for something that might never happen and as we know Insurance Companies are not well known for giving away free money.

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - Galad

The surprise package was an unexpected cheque for £750 to compensate me for the potential depreciation for the accident damage (new tailgate and bumper/paint)!!

Never heard of that before, who was your insurance company. Seems very strange getting money for something that might never happen and as we know Insurance Companies are not well known for giving away free money.

Strange but true. Hughes Insurance operating in Northern Ireland and now owned by Liberty Mutual. A claims management company handled the claim and the £750 payment came 2 weeks after I got the car back with remittance advice stating that it was to compensate for the impact of depreciation on the vehicle as a consequence of the accident. As it happened, I scrapped the car this year so depreciation never came into it.

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - davecooper

Car was picked up as promised today so hopefully last week was just a misunderstanding and things will go smoothly from now on.

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - davecooper

My car has serious cosmetic damage but also what I would imagine would be classed as structural damage in that the rear wheel arch was badly creased. I assume that this would be the new cat S (old cat C) damage. If this damage was financially viable to repair, does it still class as a write off? Are the repairers allowed to go ahead with the repair without informing me? The issue of informing DVLA, the insurance company, the leasing company and Mazda and possibly others comes to mind. Really in uncharted waters here.

Edited by davecooper on 22/03/2021 at 17:48

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - skidpan

If your insurers write your car off in Cat whatever they will not be repairing it. You should get the current market value for the car and if you have GAP they will make up the difference.

Some categories require the car be crushed, in other categories parts can be salvaged and some categories allow the car to be put back on the road after repair and inspection but this will not apply to you since the insurers will not repair a write off.

If the car is repaired you do not have to inform a soul nor do you have to tell the buyer when you eventually sell it. Garages will only ask if its been written off and repaired and you need to answer truthfully but this will not affect you. Garages are not bothered about a simple insurance repair. We have never needed to inform them in cases such as the Note that was rear ended and repaired since it was not a write off.

You are overthinking it, just wait for it to be repaired.

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - davecooper

Ok, point taken. I will wait until I hear from them rather than coming to any premature conclusions.

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - davecooper

Well, my car was finally returned on wednesday after six weeks at the repairers and the (£140 per day!) hire car was picked up. The good news is that the repair work looks excellent and I have no issues with that at all. However, my elation at getting the car back evaporated as soon as I looked inside. The most obvious thing was that the high gloss black areas on the centre console and around the door switches look like they have been ice skated on they are so scratched and they also look like something has been used on them that has attacked the surface. Then on further inspection I find black marks on the seats, scrapes on plastic trim and scuffs on leather. Even the perspex in front of the dials looks like it has been cleaned with something that has marked it. Outside isnt much better with black sticky tyre dressing plastered on the tyres and the paintwork now so badly swirled it looks like it has been scrubbed rather than properly washed

As a result, I was straight on the phone to the accident management company who have raised a customer complaint! They have since contacted me to say that the repairers have denied any responsibility and say they did nothing inside or outside of the car apart from in the area of the repair. This I actually tend to believe as I think they have passed the car to a valeting company who have been responsible for making a 6 month old 900 mile car look like a 6 year old 90,000 mile car.

The accident management company say they take customer complaints very seriously and will thoroughly investigate what has happened. However, I am not very optomistic that this is going to end well for me and I can see me having to cough up to get some remedial work done.

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - Engineer Andy

Advice fo 'the next time':

Always take photos of your car, isnide and out, when you're getting repairs done and/or using a new dealership/garage you don't yet know/trust to do a good job at looking after your car.

TBH, many 'valeting' firms are just a load of blokes with little-to-no training working at the local car wash.

Actual professionals will value their reputation and normally will do a very good job, especially as you'll be paying more for it rather than the cowboys at the wash 'n' vac round the corner from the dealership/repair shop who they may well have used.

That the garage hasn't given the name of their valeting contractor is, to me, not a good sign. The damage could just as easily been from those repairing the car themselves. I've heard of some horror stories of garages using customers' cars as their own personal run-arounds and have got into trouble when either seen out-and-about (when the car should be in the workshop or parked up) or, ironically, involved in an accident!

As a Mazda car owner for 15 years and a member of an owners' forum, I've read several non-too-compliamentary tales of the post-sales actions of many a Mazda dealership (service/repair dept), which is why those buying a Mazda should always ensure they do their utmost to find a good dealership, even if that means them not using their local one. IMHO, they can be quite variable in quality as regards customer care, just like many European and US marques.

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - galileo

Quite apart from the cosmetic damage the car has suffered, 6 weeks seems like an awfully long time for the repairs.

Even if they had to cut out and replace a number of panels, straighten the body with a jig and respray to match, this is not 6 weeks work. Time waiting for parts could explain this, did you receive any progress reports while it was with them?

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - davecooper

Yes, I received weekly updates to be fair. It seems the hold up was waiting for parts, specifically a new rear door and an exhaust system. When they did a final geometry check they also discovered more work was required which required more parts and thus more waiting.

The car did not go to my local Mazda dealer, it went to an "authorised" Mazda repair shop 75 miles down the road. I am also a Mazda owner of 15 years standing and I can honestly say that the service I have had from my local dealer has been exemplary, I cannot fault them at all. That is why I am going to insist that any remedial work is done by them.

Re car cleaners and valet companies. The state of my car is exactly the reason why I would not go near one of them with a barge pole. I can see why people do, company workhorses, taxis etc, however, I do take some pride in my car and while I am not one of those spending every weekend on their car (each to their own), I do like to keep it in good condition and a careful wash every few weeks does the trick.

Edited by davecooper on 07/05/2021 at 17:56

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - Rerepo

If the accident management company really were charging £140/day for car hire then that tells you all you need to know about them!

As for damaged trim - well, difficult to rectify if its scratched and these little bits of plastic can be hugely expensive. No doubt the 'valeters' were a bunch of Borats with a pressure washer, bucket of dirty water, lots of silicone spray and a mucky old rag!

Mazda CX-30 - Call Mazda First - davecooper

Exactly. Yes, I would imagine that the cost of replacement trim is quite high which is why I want this corrected at someone elses expense. If no one can be identified with respect to the damage then I think that the accident management company should cough up. They are ultimately responsible for the companies carrying out the repair work and seeing that they have reaped something in the region of £6.5k for hire car charges, I am sure they can afford it. I am not going down without a fight.