BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - flyerdave01

I have had two accidents in the last 3 months due to strong sunlight temporally affecting my vision. Both were on the same stretch of road in Southampton.

I do not want a third.

So I am asking you folk for some advise please.

Is there a product that you can get to spray or legally attach to a windscreen and the front side windows?

Is it possible to get auto glass that will do the job?

I wear glasses full time. Are there spectacles with special coatings?

Thanks for your help.

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - madf

Adaptive coatings which darken with light - I wear glasses with these - make a considerable difference.

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - piggy

My advice would be to buy a good quality pair of polarised clip-ons. I have always had a problem with sunlight whilst driving,even in winter. Medical advice is that the wearing of sunglasses whilst driving slows down the onset of cataracts. Look on Amazon and you will find plenty to choose from. Try leaving the sun shade down,this helps me enormously.

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - KB.

I guess when you say "apative coating" you mean the photochromic type of lens that darkens in sunlight and returns to normal when out of the sun? If not, then forgive me. Specsavers call then "Reactions".

If I'm right so far then I would point out that they famously don't work anything like so well inside a car. Specifically the windscreen prevents them from working (but they do seem to work when looking out the side windows).

I've had them - and returned them. The best thing I ever did was get rid of them. As soon as you poke your head outside the front door they go dark. When you then go indoors you have to endure dark tinted lenses for many minutes until they GRADUALLY AND SLOWLY return to plain.

I swapped them for ordinary tinted prescription lenses in a second pair of specs. They DO work in a car.

At this time of year, with the sun low in the sky - and with wet roads, I agree there's scope for reduced vision. As, I understand, Prince Philip apparently found out.

But if you've had two accidents on the same stretch of road due to the sunlight then I would say you're a liability. After the first accident you would surely have learned your lesson? I agree it's tricky in bright sunlight .... but by the sound of you need to get your eyes checked and take advice from the optician.

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - craig-pd130

But if you've had two accidents on the same stretch of road due to the sunlight then I would say you're a liability. After the first accident you would surely have learned your lesson? I agree it's tricky in bright sunlight .... but by the sound of you need to get your eyes checked and take advice from the optician.

I'd strongly second following this advice and visiting an optician.

Last year I was very nearly hit head-on while on my motorbike by a motorist who was dazzled by the sun. They missed a gentle curve and came straight across the centre line into my lane. I had to swerve to the verge while executing an emergency stop: the car missed me by less than a yard. He only saw me as he passed by my side, and that was only because I was sounding my horn to try and alert him.

Putting aside what could have happened to me if he'd hit me head-on, if it had been a car coming the other way, he could have been seriously injured or killed himself.

I don't mean to be harsh, but you've had two accidents already because you failed to react to the road conditions. Please don't let a third one happen that could result in someone - or you - being hurt or killed. Get your vision checked.

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - Leif
Photochromic, or photochromatic, or reactions lenses darken in response to UV light, which is blocked by a car windscreen. Some is transmitted by the side windows.That’s why you don’t get a sun tan inside your car.

I don’t like photochromic lenses, they lighten slowly, and never do so fully.
BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - Smileyman

opticians advertise glasses that are supposed to help with vision when driving, I have no experience of these but it's worth speaking with a knowledgeable optician (or perhaps a few as with many things ask 2 people get 3 opinions!)

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - Engineer Andy

I have a similar problem with my eyes, that they don't adapt as quickly as others to significant changes in brightness (up and down), so, as madf suggests, I use photochromic lenses in my glasses instead of having to change from ordinary to sunglasses or flip up/down clip on sunglasses, which can be dangerous when driving. You may also benefit from polarising lenses as another add-on, which specifically reduces glare.

You can get them as optional extras at many opticians, and like many things, you pay more for the better variants. Tinting front windows is limited at best as it reduces night vision, and can be illegal if too harsh.

I wouldn't bother doing anything to your car other than more often driving with the sun visor fully lowered or half way, sometimes turned to the side to cover the window when the sun is round that side. That can be a bit fiddly to do when on the move and you're changing direction a lot.

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - gordonbennet

Winter sun is a PITA.

Make sure your windows and mirrors are spotlessly clean, inside and out, anything less and the sun's glare instead of being direct will be spread across the whole glass area.

If your screen is covered in hundreds of tiny arc scratches from the wipers, get it replaced.

The same applies for night driving.

Edited by gordonbennet on 28/01/2019 at 17:00

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - KB.

Agree re. polarising lenses ... but (and I'll stand corrected if wrong) they don't work well with some screens as might be found on a car radio

(or electronic hand held device like a handheld gps device, but that has no connection with driving, admittedly).

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - badbusdriver

Maybe something like this would be worth a try, especially as it doesn't cost much.

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Car-Sun-Visor-Extension-Clip-on...0

Although i don't wear glasses i do have very sensitive eyes, so am rarely without a pair of sunglasses to hand!. Might actually get one of the above myself.

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - primus 1
No the reactions type lenses do not work inside a car, I wear glasses and bought prescription sunglasses, although I did use clip ons with my old glasses but they scratched the coating off ,
BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - Steveieb
Researched varifocals with reacterlight lenses when I was having trouble adapting to them and eventually bit the bullet and paid a fortune for Zeiss umbra matic lenses. They are so well designed that they offer no returns,
But another lens manufacturer has caught up with the Physio brand by Esselux, who are now the largest lens manufacturer in the world.
Opticians keep these brands of lenses as a last resort for customers who have problems adapting to varifocals and absorb the extra costs themselves.

But the extra costs for a state of the art lens can be justified when you calculate how long we hold onto a pair of spectacles. And tHe distortion free range of vision they offer.
BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - Happy Blue!

As we get older our vision changes as do our reactions but sometimes we forget that we have changed when we are driving. I am acutely aware that I am no longer the 'driving god' I thought I was, especially when tired or with bright sunlight.

About a year ago I went for photochromic, variofocus lens with scratch resitant coating. They are now my crutch, especially if need to see a satnav screen in the car. I could drive with fixed vision lenses if I did not need to look at a map or similar, but my glasses are hugely helpful.

So, if you have had two accidents in three months - Get Your Eyes Tested! and get the best lenses you can afford.

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - balleballe
Researched varifocals with reacterlight lenses when I was having trouble adapting to them and eventually bit the bullet and paid a fortune for Zeiss umbra matic lenses. They are so well designed that they offer no returns, But another lens manufacturer has caught up with the Physio brand by Esselux, who are now the largest lens manufacturer in the world. Opticians keep these brands of lenses as a last resort for customers who have problems adapting to varifocals and absorb the extra costs themselves. But the extra costs for a state of the art lens can be justified when you calculate how long we hold onto a pair of spectacles. And tHe distortion free range of vision they offer.

Essilor are the world's largest lens manufacturer and their products are pretty good. You'll often find that some opticians 'own brand' of varifocals are actually a white labelled essilor lens.....

As a point all the larger optician chains (Specsavers/boots/vision express) use essilor transitions as their basic photochromic lens which they re-brand

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - Engineer Andy

My Specsavers reactions glasses seem to work fine when I'm driving, if a little on the slow-to-react side on going from sun to dull sky. Fine the other way around - mine seem to go dark even on non-sunny (buy still bright [cloudy] skies) days, which is great for me for the reason I explained earlier.

I agree that the OP needs to visit a quality optician they trust to see what help they can give to get a solution that work well for them.

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - Bilboman

Since living in Spain (nearly 30 years now) I have noticed quite striking differences between driving in the two countries. English lanes meander a lot more and seem much narrower and there is far more hedgerow, which means that a drive in the country requires more zig-zagging, so those flashes of winter sun come and go all the time, leading to bursts of light and shadow, a real menace when driving.
There is also much more camber on British roads, making it quite a struggle to hold the car to its line; this, I suspect, leads a lot of drivers - especially tall SUVs, MPVs and of course vans and HGVs - to hog the centre of the road until they meet oncoming traffic.Youtube is full of "idiot drivers 2018, 2019" clips; look how many are near-misses of this very type!
I have read in many car reviews over the years that suspension on British-market cars has to be fine-tuned for the quirks of British roads; early Renault Scenics were particularly camber-averse IIRC. On the continent, road drainage is achieved with much gentler camber but there are large, deep ditches between opposing lanes of dual carriageways and motorways - one type of motoring hazard (head on collisions) is therefore substituted for another (cars "leaving the road" cause a disproportionately high number of crashes, often involving lone drivers, almost every weekend here!)
Now that the Duke of Edinburgh has admitted to glare as one of the factors in his recent accident, I hope there will be some real debate on eyesight/dazzle/glare amongst all ages of drivers. I think the time for regular eyesight checks for all is long overdue.

Edited by Bilboman on 28/01/2019 at 21:52

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - Leif
Can you give details of what happened? That might help people give some appropriate advice that may help.

Some roads are terrifying at certain times of the year, when at a certain time of day the sun is directly ahead and just above the horizon, so forward vision is near zero. Traffic slows to a crawl. The danger is if you are on a curve and are confronted with this light, just hope you are not going too fast, and can reduce speed accordingly.
BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - barney100

Agree that low winter sun is dangerous. Straight in your face needs a peaked cap which sometimes works and the visor down and the intermittent flashes from the right hand side I twist the visor round to block it which helps a bit. I too wear the specs ..eyes tested last month...and will try the polaroid clip ons again.

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - expat

I wear Fitovers - over glasses that you wear on top of your ordinary glasses. The advantage of these are that you can easily and quickly raise them onto your forehead if things suddenly darken - sun goes behind a cloud, you drive into a tunnel, etc. You still have your prescription glasses under them.

www.cancercouncilshop.org.au/category/sunglasses/f...s

I totally agree with others who have said to consult an optician if you are having vision problems. Two accidents sounds like a vision problem to me. You might not get off easily if there is a third.

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - madf

Unless you have your eyes tested every 2-3 years when you are over roughly 45, the changes in eyesight are so gradual as to be unnoticeable.And cataracts can form and slowly make vision worse.

I am 71 and go for a free eye test at Vision Express every 3 years.My eyesight has slowly deteriorated over the years so I cannot read without glasses and when my eyes are tired I can lose focus and end up with double vision (easily corrected by focussing)

I have varifocals with photochromic lenses and anti scratch coating : they work well in high sunlight - as others have mentioned.

If the police stop you and test your vision, and you fail, you will immediately lose your licence..

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - Ian_SW

The other help with low sunlight is to put the seat higher up. In winter I sometimes need to have it so my head isn't far off the roof of the car. With the sun visor in the vertical downwards position, it then obscures much more of the windscreen and hence the sun as your eyes are in line or slightly above it.

Fortunately I don't need glasses for vision correction so can have just an ordinary pair of sunglasses on the top of my head and drop them down as needed.

As an aside, has anyone used polarised sunglasses with one of those 'active dashboards' where there is a screen instead of real dials? Given I can barely see the display on the radio when I've got polarised sunglasses on, it would be a real issue if the same type of screen was used for the Speedo!

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - jc2

Why do so many people rely on their speedometer?If haven't got a good idea of your speed without looking at it,you should not be driving.

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - Glaikit Wee Scunner {P}

30mph or 36mph sounds and feels the same. Hence I look at my speedo regularly especially on a long downhill. Off thread, apologies.

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - Glaikit Wee Scunner {P}

Double post

Edited by Glaikit Wee Scunner {P} on 29/01/2019 at 12:00

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - KB.

Why do so many people rely on their speedometer?If haven't got a good idea of your speed without looking at it,you should not be driving.

I sometimes read that the "authorities" plan to reduce the leeway given to us regarding speed cameras. If that is the case and if certain Chief Constables plan to penalise us for straying over the limit by just one or two mph ..... then I, for one, wouldn't care to rely on some super sense that tells me if I'm doing 30mph or 32 mph.

If you do have this quality then I admire and respect your superior abilities, but in the absence of such virtues then are you suggesting I should stop driving?

Coz that's how it sounds.

Edited by KB. on 29/01/2019 at 14:03

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - jc2

Why do so many people rely on their speedometer?If haven't got a good idea of your speed without looking at it,you should not be driving.

I sometimes read that the "authorities" plan to reduce the leeway given to us regarding speed cameras. If that is the case and if certain Chief Constables plan to penalise us for straying over the limit by just one or two mph ..... then I, for one, wouldn't care to rely on some super sense that tells me if I'm doing 30mph or 32 mph.

If you do have this quality then I admire and respect your superior abilities, but in the absence of such virtues then are you suggesting I should stop driving?

Coz that's how it sounds.

I'm not claiming to tell 30 from 32 mph.but I can certainly tell 30 from 40!

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - KB.

I'm not claiming to tell 30 from 32 mph.but I can certainly tell 30 from 40!

Then you can tell us what speed you were doing when you had those two accidents on the same road.

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - Engineer Andy

It's not as easy as it used to be to solely rely on the pitch of the engine noise to know what speed you're doing, especially in modern, quiet cars, and I doubt if most people can be accurate to within 2-5 mph by just visualising the road around them when above 30mph.

A quick glace at the speedo is not unsafe if you do so at the right time, and if you're that concerned, buy a car with a heads-up display. Even ordinary cars (Mazdas for example do come with them on upper trim models) have them now, not just supercars.

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - badbusdriver

Why do so many people rely on their speedometer?If haven't got a good idea of your speed without looking at it,you should not be driving.

Ah, i see, speedometers are only there for people who shouldn't be driving. That does make a lot of sense.

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - Cris_on_the_gas

I have had two accidents in the last 3 months due to strong sunlight temporally affecting my vision. Both were on the same stretch of road in Southampton.

I do not want a third.

So I am asking you folk for some advise please..

Highway Code 237: If you are dazzled by bright sunlight, slow down and if necessary, stop.

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - Bilboman

"If you are dazzled by bright sunlight, slow down and if necessary stop." A shockingly badly drafted driving rule IMHO. How long is a dazzled driver expected to stop - until sunset? And which roads does this supposedly apply to? It may be a tad considerate to be aware of following traffic and give warning by slowing down gradually with hazards on rather than slamming on the anchors - especially in lane 3 or 4 of the M25!!

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - Big John

Re "Why do so many people rely on their speedometer?If haven't got a good idea of your speed without looking at it,you should not be driving."

That's me off the road then. I cannot hear my Superb 1.4tsi engine at all when cruising on the open road. Infact if I have been in traffic for a while at a lower speed a couple of times I've forgotten to change back upto 6th gear later and have found myself still in 4th gear at 60mph for many miles. When you change upto sixth there is no change in the sound. I suppose there is a slight change in road and wind noise but I wouldn't like to judge my speed by that.

Oh well - off to Specsaver for a hearing test then!

Edited by Big John on 29/01/2019 at 23:39

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - Leif
I’d better join the queue.
BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - badbusdriver
I’d better join the queue.

Me too.

I didn't realise using the speedometer would render me an incompetent driver!

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - madf
I’d better join the queue.

Me too.

I didn't realise using the speedometer would render me an incompetent driver!

I have been one for 54 years then..

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - Leif

Oh cripes, a motoring forum and almost all of us are incompetent drivers. Who knew?

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - badbusdriver

Who knew?

jc2, thats who knew!

clearly the only driver amongst us who "should be on the road".

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - balleballe

There are many factors to consider but a few points that may be useful:

1) those with a light iris colour are more effected with bright lights

2) certain medications (painkillers and anti-depressants) effect the contractual efficiency of your pupil, making glare more apparent in most people

3) might be worthwhile visiting an opticians to see if you have the start of a cataract which causes glare due to light scatter

4) a clear 'anti-glare'coating can help minimise glare but it will not get rid of it. If you shine your specs around under a light source, the light will have a green tinge in case you're not sure if you have it.

5) transitions (photochromatic) lenses work with UV, which legally your windscreen will block. They turn approx 40-50% dark due to the light from the side windows etc...a typical sunglass lens is 75%.

6) the only way to stop glare is to block a wavelength of light, this can only be done with a Polaroid filter (always dark). Hence Polaroid sunglasses are the best option for you.

I hope this has helped, in case you are wondering I am indeed an optometrist.

Edited by balleballe on 04/02/2019 at 11:50

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - Hugh Watt

Thanks bb, I do find those contributions helpful. The "green tinge" is indeed apparent in my varifocals, so that box is ticked! Though not unduly troubled, I'm certainly more aware of glare than in the past, which I'm pretty sure is down to my eyes rather than the ongoing headlights arms race - my optometrist has mentioned an incipient cataract. Interesting info about photochromatic lenses (from you and others); think I'll pass on them for now.

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - Bilboman

Regarding the "speedometer - no cheating!" debate, the speedo needle position* and likewise the digital speed readout can, with practice, be seen in peripheral vision, (*straight up is 70 etc.), so barely any time is actually needed to "look" at it. The same is true of satnavs - a brief glance at most.
A competent driver should be able to operate all the controls (I despair at the learner drivers I see looking down at the gear lever, a habit I dearly hope is banished by lesson two!), and deal with a talkative passenger (i.e. respond or else get them to shut up!) and anything else that might occur on a journey short of a sudden sinkhole, hurricane or meteorite strike! Those who absolutely insist on smoking at the wheel should be able to retrieve a ciggy, light it, flick ash into the ashtray, perch it there safely or hold it in the hand and stub it out with absolutely no distractions.
Peugeot and one or two other manufacturers should be compelled to recall every single car fitted with their wretched omnifunctional touchscreens and retrofit a simple, clear "demist NOW!" button for sudden misting-up which is a genuine driving hazard.

Edited by Bilboman on 04/02/2019 at 19:06

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - expat

Those who absolutely insist on smoking at the wheel should be able to retrieve a ciggy, light it, flick ash into the ashtray, perch it there safely or hold it in the hand and stub it out with absolutely no distractions.

I have been a passenger in vehicles where the driver has made a rollup while driving. He seemed to manage ok but it didn't seem very safe. Rather like mobile phone usage. Likely to cause an accident.

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - balleballe

Thanks bb, I do find those contributions helpful. The "green tinge" is indeed apparent in my varifocals, so that box is ticked! Though not unduly troubled, I'm certainly more aware of glare than in the past, which I'm pretty sure is down to my eyes rather than the ongoing headlights arms race - my optometrist has mentioned an incipient cataract. Interesting info about photochromatic lenses (from you and others); think I'll pass on them for now.

The very early signs of a cataract shouldn't trouble you a great deal, however, there are 3 main types of cataract.

Assuming you have a nuclear sclerotic based cataract (most common) it will be a very slow change indeed. The two main symptoms of this type of cataract include increased glare with night time driving and poorer contrast sensitivity (reds gradually looking more washed out etc..)

What doesn't help is that OEM xenons tend to be 5000k which is slightly blue bias. This colour spectrum, unfortunately, causes more issues with glare.

4000k, IMO, looks much better and emits more lumens per watt and studies have shown cuts through fog better. Must be more expensive to make in bulk?

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - Leif
A small correction, polarising sunglasses do not block a wavelength of light, they block light with a specific polarisation direction. Light reflected off water and other surfaces is polarised hence can be blocked with polarising filters. So in principle you could reduce glare from a wet road at night with these sunglasses, but for obvious reasons it’s not a good idea.
BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - Andrew-T
So in principle you could reduce glare from a wet road at night with these sunglasses, but for obvious reasons it’s not a good idea.

Does the polarisation of sunlight appear the same as that from headlamps at night? The sources are rather different and the glancing angle is likely different too.

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - Leif
So in principle you could reduce glare from a wet road at night with these sunglasses, but for obvious reasons it’s not a good idea.

Does the polarisation of sunlight appear the same as that from headlamps at night? The sources are rather different and the glancing angle is likely different too.

I'm not quite sure of the question, but sunlight reflected off water is polarised, and polarising sunglasses have the lens oriented so as to remove some/most of the sunlight reflected off the water surface. I'm sure you must have looked at a river through polarising sunglasses, and been able to see fish swimming around which were otherwise invisible due to reflections. I believe headlights and the sun produce unpolarised light.

This actually begs the question as to why you can't get headlamps that emit polarised light with the direction of polarisation chosen so as to mimimise glare from reflections from water on the road. Clearly the bulbs could be brighter than normal so that the net output intensity could be the same as at present. I did find some hits when I Googled this subject.

BMW 3 Series - Accident due to sunlight - galileo

I'm not quite sure of the question, but sunlight reflected off water is polarised, and polarising sunglasses have the lens oriented so as to remove some/most of the sunlight reflected off the water surface. I'm sure you must have looked at a river through polarising sunglasses, and been able to see fish swimming around which were otherwise invisible due to reflections. I believe headlights and the sun produce unpolarised light.

This actually begs the question as to why you can't get headlamps that emit polarised light with the direction of polarisation chosen so as to mimimise glare from reflections from water on the road. Clearly the bulbs could be brighter than normal so that the net output intensity could be the same as at present. I did find some hits when I Googled this subject

As early as the 1950s there was a suggestion that windscreens and headlamps could both be polarised (at 45 degrees) so that oncoming headlamps would be dimmed out. Obviously this would only work if all manufacturers adopted the idea, given the (small) extra cost it wasn't taken up.