Attitude Problem - jamie745

Sat today at a traffic light controlled roundabout next to a massive Tesco and I'm waiting behind this little white hatchback when the lights go green. Four or five seconds pass and no movement is forthcoming so I give it a good honk on the horn - and the Jag's horn is loud!

I could see in their door mirror that the lady driving this hatchback was clearly on her phone - the giveaway was the looking downwards transfixed. Probably changing her Facebook status to 'at Tesco, LOL!'

Anyway she finally gets a move on and has the audacity to put a middle finger up at me for honking her. So I followed her round the car park and when she got out I said 'no need to give me hand signals because you're using a phone while driving darling' and she said 'oh f*** off you t***.'

Nice.

Attitude Problem - bolt

Sat today at a traffic light controlled roundabout next to a massive Tesco and I'm waiting behind this little white hatchback when the lights go green. Four or five seconds pass and no movement is forthcoming so I give it a good honk on the horn - and the Jag's horn is loud!

I could see in their door mirror that the lady driving this hatchback was clearly on her phone - the giveaway was the looking downwards transfixed. Probably changing her Facebook status to 'at Tesco, LOL!'

Anyway she finally gets a move on and has the audacity to put a middle finger up at me for honking her. So I followed her round the car park and when she got out I said 'no need to give me hand signals because you're using a phone while driving darling' and she said 'oh f*** off you t***.'

Nice.

I`ve given up hooting drivers now as they either give abuse, or take no notice, so I leave it to the cars behind me to do the hooting. no one seems to give a monkeys what they do wrong now as they know they can get away with it

someone totally blocked a t junction earlier, doing a U turn to drop someone off on the other side of the road, took them ages to do the turn and created a traffic jam waiting for them?

Attitude Problem - jamie745

Yep you get it all the time. Everyone has an aggressive attitude problem virtually everywhere now. I had it last week when someone in a tragic Renault MPV thought I was tailgating them - I wasn't, I just had to slow down abruptly as a lorry had pulled out in front of this Renault, itself having just slammed the brakes on.

He put his hand out the window and gave me the middle finger, so I decided if he's going to act like a complete m**** then I'll treat him like one and I did in fact tailgate him for the following 10 miles.

He kept trying to get away from me as the diesel fumes exploded out the back of his 1.5 litre as he'd clearly mashed his foot into the floor, but he was never going to escape the black beast in one of those.

I got bored in the end and had places to be, otherwise I'd have followed him on his entire journey.

Attitude Problem - RichT54

Yep you get it all the time. Everyone has an aggressive attitude problem virtually everywhere now. I had it last week when someone in a tragic Renault MPV thought I was tailgating them - I wasn't, I just had to slow down abruptly as a lorry had pulled out in front of this Renault, itself having just slammed the brakes on.

He put his hand out the window and gave me the middle finger, so I decided if he's going to act like a complete m**** then I'll treat him like one and I did in fact tailgate him for the following 10 miles.

He kept trying to get away from me as the diesel fumes exploded out the back of his 1.5 litre as he'd clearly mashed his foot into the floor, but he was never going to escape the black beast in one of those.

I got bored in the end and had places to be, otherwise I'd have followed him on his entire journey.

A tragic display of self-righteous arrogance and aggression.

Attitude Problem - badbusdriver

A couple of weeks ago i was taking my Mother shopping. At the junction to pull into the complex i was sitting well past the line waiting patiently to turn right. Lights turn to amber so i start to move, but had to almost immediately jump on the brakes as a white renault kangoo van comes hooning through what was now a red light. I threw my hands up in exasperation and was rewarded with some extremely rude gestures by the two m****'s inside.

Attitude Problem - Manatee

He put his hand out the window and gave me the middle finger, so I decided if he's going to act like a complete m**** then I'll treat him like one and I did in fact tailgate him for the following 10 miles.

Did you really do that? You were fortunate that he didn't brake test you. I would have been tempted, in an old and worthless vehicle, after a few miles of that; never mind some random idiot you don't know - they could be high on drugs, a dangerous cycle-path, or a ruthless armed criminal.

Attitude Problem - jamie745

I did indeed do that - I was waiting for him to touch the brakes slightly to make me back off but he didn't. Maybe he didn't fancy the crash. He just kept trying to go faster. Truth be told I did ease off after a while because he was doing ridiculous speed to get away from me he was going to cause a crash if I kept pushing him.

I've brake tested people myself, like when you're in an average speed camera zone and a white Audi doesn't understand the concept of average speed cameras and can't comprehend why you're going so damn slowly.

Edited by jamie745 on 25/08/2017 at 22:21

Attitude Problem - nick62

I did indeed do that - I was waiting for him to touch the brakes slightly to make me back off but he didn't. Maybe he didn't fancy the crash. He just kept trying to go faster. Truth be told I did ease off after a while because he was doing ridiculous speed to get away from me he was going to cause a crash if I kept pushing him.

I've brake tested people myself, like when you're in an average speed camera zone and a white Audi doesn't understand the concept of average speed cameras and can't comprehend why you're going so damn slowly.

WUM

Attitude Problem - Chris Miller

jamie745. Grow up or else chill out please. Life's too short to get worked up over other's failings. If your actions had caused a serious accident you would have had that on your conscious. Couldn't give a **** I here you say. Not even if it was an innocent child?

Attitude Problem - jamie745

I wasn't the one who was giving unnecessary hand signals out of car windows for absolutely no reason whatsoever - I think he may have had kids in the car himself and he was the one stamping on the accelerator doing stupid mph to make some sort of caveman point. I didn't force him to do anything.

Albiet I hadn't done anything wrong to warrant the initial abuse, my reaction probably was over the top but I didn't force him to then do the very high speed he was doing. He could've been the grown up and pulled in, but no.

It just proves the point that impatience, arrogance, intolerance and bad attitudes are a vicious cycle because if someone does it to me then I'm just as guilty as I will give it back to them with interest.

Attitude Problem - Chris Miller

Exactly. Your reaction is natural. Be a man, let it go and get on with your life because you won't change anything by chasing the man appendage down the road.

Attitude Problem - Smileyman

reminds me to seek out a rearwards facing dashcam

don't blame you for your actions, from what you discribe they were wrong and illegal but totally appropriate .. totally unacceptable for rude gestures however the other driver reacted in the wrong way ... should have either pulled in (if safe to do so) at the last minute to a layby or side turning, you would not have been able to react to follow, or my case if being followed (as done before) turn into the local police station car park ....

Attitude Problem - jamie745

I hate the idea of a dashcam. It always seems to be the type of person who goes out of their way to cause arguments who actually seem to have these things. However I do wish I could show you footage of the Renault driver as you'd all agree he was a total plank.

Footage of the woman giving me the middle finger because I had the audacity to interrupt her texting at a green traffic light would be good too.

Attitude Problem - Andrew-T

It just proves the point that impatience, arrogance, intolerance and bad attitudes are a vicious cycle because if someone does it to me then I'm just as guilty as I will give it back to them with interest.

Jamie, don't you see how daft you seem, objecting to what others do, then repeating the same behaviour? As has been said, you should work out a better way to deal with these situations. I think it is sometimes called anger management.

Attitude Problem - FP

"... impatience, arrogance, intolerance and bad attitudes are a vicious cycle because if someone does it to me then I'm just as guilty as I will give it back to them with interest."

Condemned out of his own mouth, even making himself worse than the original idiot: "... I will give it back to them with interest."

In addition to what others have said, I am surprised that someone who has at least a modicum of intelligence should actually admit to such poor driving - no, more than that, attempt to justify such poor driving - on a public forum.

It wouldn't be so bad if said poster hadn't been so critical of others in the past.

Edited by FP on 26/08/2017 at 14:55

Attitude Problem - Smileyman

problem is to dial 999 is an inappropriate use of the number (but legal from handheld phone) and to dail 101 (must be handsfree) will take so long to get to talk to someone it's pointless, matter will be historic ... perhaps if so minded send picture to the police, but I'm not minded to make trouble for others, never know where it might end/what would come back in my direction

Attitude Problem - Avant

"I did in fact tailgate him for the following 10 miles"

Sorry Jamie: I realise that you may have been provoked - but I can assure you that tailgating is NEVER the right thing to do, however much in the wrong you think the other person is.

You clearly take a keen interest in driving: I think you would benefit from some advanced driving lessons, where you could discuss with the instructor how best to respond when provoked on the road.

Attitude Problem - veloceman
Yup, makes you no better than him.
Attitude Problem - NARU

>> ... give it a good honk on the horn...

>> ...So I followed her round the car park..

>> ... He put his hand out the window and gave me the middle finger, so I decided if he's going to act like a complete m**** then I'll treat him like one and I did in fact tailgate him for the following 10 miles....

>> ...I've brake tested people myself...

You're the one with the attitude problem! If your response is dangerous driving just because your little ego is bruised then you're in for high blood pressure and a charge (hopefully soon) of dangerous driving.

I see poor and distracted driving every day, but never feel the need to react the way that you do.

Attitude Problem - John F

Rise above it, Jamie. You were 'well out of order' in the vernacular. Remember, it is a fact that half the population is of below average intelligence and approx 1% are psychopaths. So the odds of encountering a gormless nutter every ten miles or so is now astonishingly high on our congested roads.

Occasionally, these 1% ers interact; sometimes with amusing, often with disastrous or hugely expensive consequences (apparently a much higher percentage of police officers and lawyers are psychopaths).

Attitude Problem - argybargy

One of the most noticeable changes in human behaviour on the roads of this country in recent years is the increasing aggression of young women drivers. I think I've already posted about the curly haired young lady in a VW Beetle who travelled behind me for half a mile, constantly giving me fingers, w****** gestures and everything else on the list, just because I pulled out to turn left in front of her and she had to slow down just a little bit because she was speeding. I blame feminism, meself.

When my wife first started driving she was a little hesitant, and occasionally fell foul of the irritation of impatient male drivers. There was one occasion when she came to a roundabout in South Wales, couldn't quite work out the priority of traffic flow and a some squaddies in a marked Army van who had been forced to wait at their junction due to her indecision gave her the finger. I was quite annoyed about that, which is probably why when months later she went to turn right on a local road, dithered because she was unsure of the speed of approaching traffic and a driver behind who had been forced to wait for her manoeuvre gave her a brief beep on his horn, I gave him the finger from the passenger seat as we turned. Whereupon he screeched to a halt and began to back up, making to chase us. He probably noticed my yard-wide shoulders and thought better of it, coz he stopped and made off instead, but it caused me to think about what might happen if someone on the road called your bluff in such a situation and it went to the wire. So nowadays when confronted by aggression and ignorance on the road I usually shake my head sadly, refuse to make eye contact and continue blithely on my way.

Edited by argybargy on 26/08/2017 at 10:15

Attitude Problem - primus 1

Sometimes, you've just got to do a frozen.....let it go let it go..

Attitude Problem - Wackyracer

some years ago I was driving at work when a silver Peugeot came up on my outside in an area where the lanes merge, the driver was quite forceful and pushing his luck as the outer lane was ending as he just cut in front of me. I later found out it was the depot manager who made a point of finding me at work and talking to me about it. If I had reacted in anyway I might have been looking for another job. Instead he commended me on my patience.

Attitude Problem - KB.

Having popped in and out of the Back Room for the past 15 years and having seen some/many of Jamie's posts over time, and looking at this latest contribution, I too, would say Jamie's the one with the attitude. But, to be honest, I've never taken much notice of what he's had to say anyway.

We've all done silly things. I dare say we continue to do silly things occasionally. But I, personally, wouldn't brag on a public forum that I'd tailgated a car for ten miles, or, even, that I'd blasted the car in front with a long blast of my horn either... a polite 'toot' might have done.

Maybe ownership of a "Jag" (one with a jolly loud horn) ... and, more significantly, frequent references on this forum to said ownership of the car tells me something?

Attitude Problem - John Boy

nick62 commented "WUM"

Precisely and, it would appear, rather more successful at it on here than in real life.

Attitude Problem - scot22

What is WUM please ? excuse my ignorance.

Attitude Problem - Sofa Spud

Someone held you up for a few seconds and you think it's worth following them and talking to them about it. I think you're the one with the attitude problem!

Attitude Problem - FP

WUM = Wind-Up Merchant.

Attitude Problem - Fishermans Bend

Having popped in and out of the Back Room for the past 15 years and having seen some/many of Jamie's posts over time, and looking at this latest contribution, I too, would say Jamie's the one with the attitude. But, to be honest, I've never taken much notice of what he's had to say anyway.

We've all done silly things. I dare say we continue to do silly things occasionally. But I, personally, wouldn't brag on a public forum that I'd tailgated a car for ten miles, or, even, that I'd blasted the car in front with a long blast of my horn either... a polite 'toot' might have done.

Maybe ownership of a "Jag" (one with a jolly loud horn) ... and, more significantly, frequent references on this forum to said ownership of the car tells me something?

KB, couldn't agree more. On the flip side he recognises he's done wrong, just needs to learn from it. He'll give Jaguar drivers a bad name.

Attitude Problem - scot22

Thanks FP.

Completely agree with posts about Jamie's attitude. I had a problem turning right at traffic lights the other week, not able to.engage gear. The motorist behind honking his horn didn't solve the problem. A garage did.

I also think when someone makes a mistake, which we can all do, harassing them with the horn only makes the situation. Driving should be cooperative, not who led.

Attitude Problem - jamie745

I also think when someone makes a mistake, which we can all do, harassing them with the horn only makes the situation. Driving should be cooperative, not who led.

There's a clear difference between someone missing a gear or stalling a car and clearly texting at the traffic lights which the young lady I refer to was doing. It was very obvious from the way she was clearly staring downwards in the car. That's not a driving mistake that's actually worth 6 penalty points now so don't defend her.

She can't even claim she was paying attention really as the light had been solid green for a good 4 or 5 seconds and she hadn't noticed. Too interested in her Instagram.

I wouldn't use the horn on somebody who had missed a gear or stalled the car, that'd be stupid but I have no problem using it on people who are using a phone while driving.

Attitude Problem - FP

Which rather misses the point about the other stuff.

"Competent driving" is more than being able to steer and change gear.

You may want the last word, but it'll do you no credit. Best wind your neck in.

Attitude Problem - jamie745

So the Back Room is against using the horn but 100% in favour of illegal use of a mobile phone?

Fair enough, so long as we know.

Attitude Problem - Manatee

No I don't condone texting or other handheld phone use while driving.

Your reaction to these idiots is a natural response, in my opinion. Maybe not for everybody, but for many.

But, trying to 'train' other drivers by expressing disapproval generally doesn't work, and often seems to have the opposite effect as you yourself have described - so no upside really.

On the downside, as you discovered it can make them angry (so an even worse driver). Beyond that, you might be really unlucky and pick on someone like Kenneth Noye.

Another possibility is that there is some background or context that you are unaware of that has caused or contributed to the other person's behaviour, which might not be typical of the individual concerned.

So I try to ignore my anger and just try to be the best driver I can, keep out of the way of the unpredictable, pushy, or incompetent drivers and stay calm. Focusing on my own speed, positioning, braking, steering keeps my blood pressure down. Better to feel a bit smug than a lot angry.

It took me a while to reach this state of grace! My own more natural behaviour when confronted by aggressive, selfish, dangerous behaviour is probably not that different to yours - but we don't have to react based on how we feel in that moment.

I hope you can read that in the spirit that it is meant.

Go in peace :)

Attitude Problem - FP

"So the Back Room is against using the horn but 100% in favour of illegal use of a mobile phone?"

Don't be ridiculous. The longer you go on, the more desperate you get.

Attitude Problem - Brit_in_Germany

Rule 112

You MUST NOT use your horn

  • while stationary on the road
  • when driving in a built-up area between the hours of 11.30 pm and 7.00 am

except when another road user poses a danger.

Attitude Problem - KB.

It was suggested, above, that .....

"On the flip side he recognises he's done wrong, just needs to learn from it. He'll give Jaguar drivers a bad name."

I don't think so. Jamie's subsequent replies don't suggest that's the case.

I think it's a bit pointless pursuing the topic as he's generally right in all he says and does, and isn't known for acknowledging that, occasionally, he might, just possibly, be wrong.


Attitude Problem - FP

Avant will be keeping a close eye on this thread, I'm sure, and I would be the last to tell him what to do.

However, it doesn't seem to be going anywhere and it might be merciful to all concerned if it was closed.

Attitude Problem - thecloser

The thread is headed 'Attitude Problem'. Maybe it should be 'Attitude Problems'. The woman who might have been texting might have one. The OP definitely has.

Attitude Problem - scot22

Seconded.

I haven't a clue how anyone could suggest my post was condoning the use of a mobile phone while driving.

Attitude Problem - Manatee

I have made what I hope is a constructive reply to the OP; I am interested in whether he responds, and how.

I would be the last to tell Avant what to do, so I won't.

Attitude Problem - Wackyracer

I have made what I hope is a constructive reply to the OP; I am interested in whether he responds, and how.

A very good reply I must say, that is the thing isn't it? 2 wrongs do not make a right.

Responding to a bad/dangerous driver by doing the same as them is never a good idea.

Attitude Problem - gordonbennet
Responding to a bad/dangerous driver by doing the same as them is never a good idea.

Indeed, Manatee's post was indeed constructive reasonable and thought provoking, and your comment is spot on too.

The danger with trying to bandy words and/or actions with idiots on the road, is that they are often skilled time served experts in idiocy, when i see the idiot i try to let them past at the first opportunity so i can keep an eye on them and hopefully not be involved in the result when they do what they always do, the danger of which is magnified when someone else gets involved and tries to out-idiot them

Edited by gordonbennet on 27/08/2017 at 13:43

Attitude Problem - RT
Responding to a bad/dangerous driver by doing the same as them is never a good idea.

Indeed, Manatee's post was indeed constructive reasonable and thought provoking, and your comment is spot on too.

The danger with trying to bandy words and/or actions with idiots on the road, is that they are often skilled time served experts in idiocy, when i see the idiot i try to let them past at the first opportunity so i can keep an eye on them and hopefully not be involved in the result when they do what they always do, the danger of which is magnified when someone else gets involved and tries to out-idiot them

"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience" (George Carlin 1937-2008)

Attitude Problem - gordonbennet
"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience" (George Carlin 1937-2008)

Could have sworn i just posted a reply, either i'm going senile (don't answer that :-) or it's vanished.

Anyway, i knew there was a famous quote wich applied here, much obliged to me learned friend for providing it.

Attitude Problem - Avant

I'll leave this thread open for a little longer, in the hope that Jamie might show signs of having learnt something from the extremely good advice given above.

Attitude Problem - davecooper

Unfortunately this country seems to have spawned some very unpleasant, obnoxious and rude people and unfortunately these people are allowed to drive. I must admit I ignore it all, getting in a rage doesn't do you any good and will not change their attitude. You always hope that they will eventually come to the notice of the police!

However, we have found a way to turn such incidents into entertainment. Most of the people I work with have dashcams and we all save anything we think worthy. We then share the best examples every few weeks. Unfortunately you soon realise that if you saved all examples of bad attitude and plain rudeness, you would fill your dashcam memory up pretty quickly.

Attitude Problem - stan10

" .. Unfortunately you soon realise that if you saved all examples of bad attitude and plain rudeness, you would fill your dashcam memory up pretty quickly... "

Zackly the reason i decided not to buy one.

Attitude Problem - alan1302

" .. Unfortunately you soon realise that if you saved all examples of bad attitude and plain rudeness, you would fill your dashcam memory up pretty quickly... "

Zackly the reason i decided not to buy one.

Surely main reason you buy one is to help any insurace disputes?

Attitude Problem - FP

"I'll leave this thread open for a little longer, in the hope that Jamie might show signs of having learnt something from the extremely good advice given above."

Avant's faith in human nature is wonderful, but I fear misplaced in this case. But there you go, I'm fast becoming a cynical old git. :-)

Edited by FP on 28/08/2017 at 12:47

Attitude Problem - Andrew-T

..... But there you go, I'm fast becoming a cynical old git. :-)

I couldn't possibly comment .... :-)

Attitude Problem - oldroverboy.

KB, couldn't agree more. On the flip side he recognises he's done wrong, just needs to learn from it. He'll give Jaguar drivers a bad name.

Thank Heavens he hasn't got a Beemer

Attitude Problem - Avant

"Avant's faith in human nature is wonderful, but I fear misplaced in this case."

Not that wonderful - I said 'hope', not 'expectation'. And we're talking about Jamie, not human nature in general, about which I'm more optimistic (as an example, look at everyone else's comments on this thread).

Attitude Problem - KB.

Avant has kept the topic open and invited a response from the illustrious OP, but, to date, he's declining a considered response here despite posting on other current threads here (which is, of course, entirely his prerogative) and thus indicating he's still, as it were, with us, .

So it's presumably a case of his admitting to behaving (and posting) inadvisedly and deciding not to add fuel to that particular fire by keeping schtum - or he's composing a reply that'll take the place by storm and render the assembled brethren dumbstruck.

Attitude Problem - Fishermans Bend

Jamie has admitted to committing an offence for 10 miles. Perhaps we should pass on his admission to the police. www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/787666/Driving-l...s

Attitude Problem - Chris Miller

If Jamie were to be stopped by the Police, is there any chance in a month of Sundays he would be able to pass the attitude test?

Attitude Problem - Avant

Very remininscent of Toad in The Wind in the Willows. In the Disney film they made him into an American - J. Thaddeus Toad.

I think we know now what the J stood for.

Attitude Problem - KB.

You've been uncharasteristically quiet in your response here, Jamie. Cat got your tongue?

Attitude Problem - FP

No point in trying to provoke him.

His silence is deafening and speaks volumes.

Attitude Problem - argybargy

I was approaching a mini roundabout the other day; the right hand exit took traffic to our local Asda store.

The car in front of me indicated to turn right, but instead of making the turn it drifted through the roundabout at less than walking pace as if to exit straight on. Eager to make the turn rather than wait for the driver to make up his mind, I leant on my horn. I don't know whether the car moved a little quicker in response, or if by then there was already enough room to get through, because I did manage to pass him on the inside. Other cars waiting at different entrances to the roundabout were similarly confused, awaiting a decisive movement by the "drifter".

Anyhow, it didn't occur to me till afterwards that the poor beggar might have lost power and was trying to get the car started, and there's me sounding me 'orn like a right impatient oaf when he couldn't do nowt about it.

Too many folks, including me, so it seems, tend to take an aggressive approach to what appears to be, but might not be, dithering by other drivers, and to hit the horn without taking pause for thought first.

Edited by argybargy on 06/09/2017 at 17:04

Attitude Problem - gordonbennet
Too many folks, including me, so it seems, tend to take an aggressive approach to what appears to be, but might not be, dithering by other drivers, and to hit the horn without taking pause for thought first.

Dare say i'm not alone in surmising if i had a quid for every stupid thing i've said done and regretted in my lifetime, i'd probably be only 12 decimal points behind our leader and mod in bank balance :-)

Attitude Problem - Leif
Manatee gave an excellent response.

It is clear from your post that you assumed she was texting. She might have been looking at a map on her lap, not good driving, but it happens. Or looking at a music player. Or unwrapping a pasty, not good driving, but we'll all been there. A loud blast on the horn isn't needed, a short parp suffices. People react far more positively to a gentle hint.

There is one common factor to your posts. You exaggerate the error committed by the other driver, and then use your sanctimonious self righteousness to justify no end of dangerous and aggresive behaviour on your part. You come across as short tempered, aggressive and sexist (using the term 'darling').

And when you are in that aggressive state, you are not thinking clearly, and become a menace and a danger to other road users. Do you really want to hurt an innocent person as a result of your self righteous anger? And if you remained calm you'd most probably forget about the wrongdoing within a few minutes, and feel much happier. Or would you prefer to endanger other people?

My father was just like you. He'd be swearing at the funny (spelling ?) in front of him, tailgate them, sometimes at 100 mph, flash his lights and get very angry. I found it absolutely terrifying to be in the car when he was driving.
Attitude Problem - saltire69

Too many nutters on the go these days to go around chasing after folks .

Attitude Problem - sandy56

I remember getting advice about driving in Iran. " You have to be agressive and use your horn a lot, or you wont be able to get anywhere."

Horrible place for driving, and dangerous.

The UK now seems a lot like it.

Attitude Problem - madf

I remember getting advice about driving in Iran. " You have to be agressive and use your horn a lot, or you wont be able to get anywhere."

Horrible place for driving, and dangerous.

The UK now seems a lot like it.

Not here. I drive weekly on single track roads and 90% of drivers are courteous, stop in passing spaces and thanks you when you do.

The only exception are those in shiny 4x4s which are new. It would appear they cannot get them muddy or engage reverse gear to reverse into a passing space 10 meters behind forcing you to reverse 200 meters.! But as they are mainly obvious old ###s, who cares? I just enjoy the scenery.

Attitude Problem - RT

I remember getting advice about driving in Iran. " You have to be agressive and use your horn a lot, or you wont be able to get anywhere."

Horrible place for driving, and dangerous.

The UK now seems a lot like it.

Levels of aggression vary considerably across the UK - cities have more aggressive drivers than towns or countryside - and even cities vary, London has more aggressive drivers than Birmingham for instance.

Londoners would probably say that's the only way they can make progress.

Attitude Problem - Bromptonaut

Londoners would probably say that's the only way they can make progress.

T'was always thus. Remember a girl I was at Primary School with almost fifty years ago who had moved to West Riding from commuter Essex. Quoted her Dad's observation that Yorkshire drivers wouldn't survive in London.

Attitude Problem - galileo

Londoners would probably say that's the only way they can make progress.

T'was always thus. Remember a girl I was at Primary School with almost fifty years ago who had moved to West Riding from commuter Essex. Quoted her Dad's observation that Yorkshire drivers wouldn't survive in London.

Fifty years ago I often went from Yorkshire through central London and again frequently forty years ago, never had problems. Nowadays Leeds,Sheffield and the A roads and Motorways up here have their fair share of aggressive drivers, but incompetent ones are a worse problem in my view. (Creepers, hesitaters, semiconscious ones, phone users etc)

Attitude Problem - hillman

Jamie, yours is the ‘attitude’. You could have caused an accident. You are going to have to be circumspect if you are going to continue to associate with the BRs.

A number of years ago I was going home late through a posh suburban area in my Wolseley. I was followed by a clown who drove fast up to my rear end and flashed his headlights. This is usually understood as, “You are going too slowly, hurry up”. As I was already doing the speed limit for the area I ignored him. The street lighting was very good so I was able to see that the driver was a 50ish male, and accompanied by a 50ish female in the passenger seat. In the back seat were a couple about the same age. All four were well dressed as though they were returning home after a convivial evening. After the third or so time I admit that I had thought of pulling the handbrake on as he was accelerating; that way the brake lights wouldn’t show. The bumpers on the Wolseley are very robust and he had a modern car with no protection but a crumple zone. But, I slowed down to about 15 mph and pulled over to make him overtake me. A few hundred yards ahead he pulled into a driveway. So what was all the performance about ?

Attitude Problem - KB.

"Jamie, yours is the ‘attitude’. You could have caused an accident. You are going to have to be circumspect if you are going to continue to associate with the BRs".

Wouldn't be too sure he's returning to read the above. Avant might know if he still checks in. It was a bit of a humiliation for him after all - and I'm pretty sure he doesn't like humiliation when directed at himself (I suppose none of us do) although he doesn't balk at handing it out to others.

But he'll come back ... he always does.


Attitude Problem - badbusdriver

Jamie, yours is the ‘attitude’. You could have caused an accident. You are going to have to be circumspect if you are going to continue to associate with the BRs.

A number of years ago I was going home late through a posh suburban area in my Wolseley. I was followed by a clown who drove fast up to my rear end and flashed his headlights. This is usually understood as, “You are going too slowly, hurry up”. As I was already doing the speed limit for the area I ignored him. The street lighting was very good so I was able to see that the driver was a 50ish male, and accompanied by a 50ish female in the passenger seat. In the back seat were a couple about the same age. All four were well dressed as though they were returning home after a convivial evening. After the third or so time I admit that I had thought of pulling the handbrake on as he was accelerating; that way the brake lights wouldn’t show. The bumpers on the Wolseley are very robust and he had a modern car with no protection but a crumple zone. But, I slowed down to about 15 mph and pulled over to make him overtake me. A few hundred yards ahead he pulled into a driveway. So what was all the performance about ?

You criticise Jamie but then admit to considering pulling the handbrake on so the brake lights wouldn't show (as you had sturdy bumpers). Surely that mentality is no different, even though you didn't actually do it?.

Also, you were able to identify the sex, age and clothing of all 4 occupants of the car following you, at night, under street lights?. This seems unlikely given that street lighting is, in general, mounted up high, so in my experience, all you can see in the mirror, is the reflection of said lights. Even ignoring this, it seems you were paying much more attention to what was behind you than what was in front.

As for why they were in a hurry, maybe they had to get home quickly due to a family emergency, which could be anything. You say you pulled over (eventually) the driver of the other car may not have been aware that you were pulling over just to let him past. If he thought that you were parking, the fact that he pulled into a driveway a short distance onwards is irrelevant.

Attitude Problem - Avant

I think we've all had enough of this thread now. Jamie hasn't come back on this so I'll close it.

 

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