Most secure way to get your money? - glidermania

Im in the process of advertising my car for sale, circa £13k on the web. Mindful of not being scammed and losing both the car and money, Ive been telling interested buyers I'll only accept cleared funds via a cheque.

This seems to have put a few people off and I accept that for some, travelling a couple of hundred miles to view the car, they dont want to leave me a cheque and wait 4 days for it to clear before coming back to collect it.

However, Ive been reading that a bank can legitimately 'bounce' a cheque as much as 4 weeks after presentation which isnt good!

One potential buyer suggested cash but I said I didnt want that amount of money (£13k) sitting in the house over the weekend before I could get to the bank. Neither do I have the facilities to determine any counterfeit notes in amongst that lot.

They then suggested handing over a bankers draft so they could drive the car away the same day (weekend) which is pretty similar to letting the car go after being handed a cheque imho.

Given we're talking £13k, what is the best and quickest way to do the transfer of funds to my bank account securely and make sure Im not scammed in the process?

TIA

Most secure way to get your money? - daveyjp
Direct transfer from their account to yours.

Takes a minute or so to set up using interent banking and in my experience money moves instantly.
Most secure way to get your money? - glidermania

Faster Payments take a couple of hours to show in your account but are still subject to a couple of days banking time until being fully cleared. Banks will let you draw on this money in the meantime.

Most secure way to get your money? - veloceman
Bankers droughts can be faked and you are correct a bank transfer can also be reversed.
HJ says take your purchaser to the bank a get him to hand the money to you and you pay it in there and then.
Most secure way to get your money? - elekie&a/c doctor
Aside from the financial issues,make sure all the details of the new owner are filled in correctly on the V5 registration document and ideally get some id from the new owner.otherwise you could end up with a lot of speeding and parking fines.
Most secure way to get your money? - RobJP

You and purchaser go to bank / building society. Purchaser draws out the money in the bank, which is then handed directly to you.

It's quite simple to arrange with the bank to be able to draw out a large sum, such withdrawl being at a particular branch on the day. No fees, and you aren't obliged to do it.

Also, as said, note the YOU are legally responsible for filling in the V5 AND sending it to DVLA. The purchaser ONLY gets the 'new keeper' part (V5/2, it might be called ?). Also, insist on taking a photo of the puchasers photocard driving licence, and make sure the new address details they give you match what is going on the V5.

Most secure way to get your money? - glidermania

You and purchaser go to bank / building society. Purchaser draws out the money in the bank, which is then handed directly to you.

It's quite simple to arrange with the bank to be able to draw out a large sum, such withdrawl being at a particular branch on the day. No fees, and you aren't obliged to do it.

Also, as said, note the YOU are legally responsible for filling in the V5 AND sending it to DVLA. The purchaser ONLY gets the 'new keeper' part (V5/2, it might be called ?). Also, insist on taking a photo of the puchasers photocard driving licence, and make sure the new address details they give you match what is going on the V5.

Funnily enough, they've just been onto me and say they use Santander. The issue is the buyer lives nearly 200 miles away so Im not sure they can just rock up and draw £13k in cash out of my a local Santander branch without pre arrangement.

Im going to Santander on Monday to see if this is possible or, whether they can do a cash 'transfer' from one account to another without it being reversible ie not via a cheque, bank draft etc.


Most secure way to get your money? - RobJP

Well, they almost certainly can - by prior arrangement, because a friend of mine did it about 3 years ago - with Santander (I just called him to check)

He was looking at a Discovery - private sale, up in Ripon. So he arranged with Santander that, on that particular Saturday, he could go into the Ripon branch and draw a sdum of cash out - I believe it was £11k

On the day, he saw the car, drove the car with the owner (he had 1 day insurance all sorted), they agreed a price, and then they drove into Ripon. Got the cash out, went back to the guy's house, did the paperwork, job done.

Most secure way to get your money? - focussed
Bankers droughts can be faked and you are correct a bank transfer can also be reversed. HJ says take your purchaser to the bank a get him to hand the money to you and you pay it in there and then.

Transfers between UK bank accounts using the CHAPS system are irrevocable.

http://www.ukpayments.org.uk/

CHAPS Sterling is a same-day automated payment system for processing sterling payments made within the UK, between its member banks.

The main benefit of CHAPS is that it is fast as the money is transferred the same day. Unlike other forms of payment such as cheques, CHAPS payments are irrevocable.

Most secure way to get your money? - SLO76
This is the main reason why people don't try flogging their own car from the drive. Not to mention you have to either run two lots of insurance and road tax if you already have your new motor or sorn it which means no one can test drive it.

The buyer nine times out of ten isn't insured to drive it anyway and you also run the fear of counterfeit bankers drafts and notes. No one is likely to leave a cheque with you to clear either unless they know you well and you couldn't fill in the V5 until funds are cleared. Bit of a mine field but the only thing you can do is a bank transfer which they should be able to do online there and then and you can verify if the funds have arrived. Safest bet really especially at this money.

You also have the joy of filtering out all the timewasters and dreamers. This is where a home trader like me comes in handy, though not at this money, I have sold dearer cars on behalf of others before. I buy (mostly sub £3k) usually via word of mouth when people are looking to upgrade. I bid more than their trade in price and advise on how they should go about financing and negotiating on their next motor plus I'll view their prospective purchase if it's local for free, I make my money on their trade in and I always save them money, everyone's a winner. Used to combine well with my previous business with the volume of regular customers I had.

I spent 15yrs running my own high street convenience store/newsagents and you'd be amazed at the amount of fake notes and pound coins in circulation and some of them are pretty impressive quality wise. Every day we were confiscating fake notes. I got so fed up with handing them into the police that I just destroyed them myself. Cash is probably too risky.

Good point on keeping a note of the buyers details. I always take a copy of the filled in V5 in case of any post sale parking or speeding fines. One arrived a week after selling an old Ford Cougar a few months back which would've been a worry had I no details to pass the buck.

Edited by SLO76 on 08/04/2017 at 15:46

Most secure way to get your money? - glidermania

You can do change of ownership \ tax on line as the new owner is driving away so you dont end up with any speeding fines \ parking tickets. Car tax also ends on change of ownership now so it is the new owner's responsibility to make sure it is taxed and insured in their own name.

When the guy bought my wife's car for cash (sub £1k), he tax and insured it on my doorstep before he drove it home.

Most secure way to get your money? - gordonbennet

Bank transfer is the thing at that sort of price, if it quacks and waddles its probably a duck so if you don't get good vibes from the person don't entertain a deal, if the vehicle is sensibly priced and a genuine cared for motor it will sell.

I sold my Hilux for £15k, the buyer was a trader, we had a chat on the phone for about 15 minutes during which time we gelled, chap paid for the car unseen the day before he sent one of his fellows down on the train to collect it, an excellent deal all round.

I'd had calls from several of the type you might expect given the vehicle, they didn't even get the address to come see it, when the right person calls you'll know.

Edited by gordonbennet on 08/04/2017 at 16:21

Most secure way to get your money? - mss1tw

I'd had calls from several of the type you might expect given the vehicle, they didn't even get the address to come see it, when the right person calls you'll know.

'They' do love a Hilux... ;)
Most secure way to get your money? - Falkirk Bairn

Go to the BUYER's Bank local to you on a Saturday.

He withdraws £x, xxx

You present your pay-in slip filled out as cash deposit into your account.

No cash comes over the counter & the money is in your account "immediately".

Job done.

Most secure way to get your money? - skidpan

Has no one heard of the 2-4-6 clearance process

www.lloydsbank.com/legal/current-accounts/cheque-c...p

After 6 days the money is yours unless you have acted in a fraudulant manner.

Most secure way to get your money? - glidermania

Had a word with my 2 banks today (Yorkshire & Santander) on options.

Cash over the counter, no problem, they'll count and check each note is valid and not a counterfeit. Might have to provide proof the cash is from sale of car else there may be questions on money laundering especially if your account doesnt routinely see such high value transactions.

Faster Payments Service bank to bank is near instantaneous and all transactions should be made within 2 hours. If they arent, they are flagged for resolution investigation. Transfer cannot be revoked once money appears in recipient's account (so I was incorrect in my post).

FPS transfers can happen 24/7 even at weekends between FPS enabled accounts which surprised me. They are not limited to normal banking hours and you can use the FPS sort code checker to confirm both banks operate FPS.

Banks suggested transaction is initiated from the buyer's bank branch as the buyer will have to satisfy the bank there and then they are who they say they are to make the transaction with you.

Once the buyer's bank confirm the transaction via FPS is successful then need to go to sellers bank branch to confirm for added confidence. The seller's bank can confirm within 2 minutes (or less) if the transaction cannot be completed or, that full transfer could potentially take the full 2 hours.

At the seller's bank branch, ask for confirmation that money has appeared in the account from the buyer's bank by giving them the sort and account number. If it has, the buyer cannot revoke the payment. Ask for printed confirmation there and then or get ATM mini statement.

The banks said CHAPS payments take longer ie not as fast as FPS and attracts a charge of about £25. Both banks said once money is in the receiving account the transfer cannot be revoked. However both said theoretically, because CHAPS takes longer, the transfer could be revoked BEFORE the money actually got into the receiving account.