Various - Which VW/Audi TSI petrol lump is best, 1.2 or 1.4? - pint6x

I'm looking to buy a car with the VW/Audi 1.2 or 1.4 petrol engine.

Something from 2012 onwards, manual gearbox because heard many bad things about the DSG gearboxes.

So there's all these:

1.2 84 bhp

1.2 105 bhp

1.4 122 bhp

1.4 140 bhp

1.4 150 bhp

I know they used to make an engine with both turbo AND supercharger, but I'm not going for one of those.

Can anyone shed any light on which of these engines is likely to be the best long term?

Are there any I should not go near? All advice appreciated.

Thanks - Philip

Various - Which VW/Audi TSI petrol lump is best, 1.2 or 1.4? - daveyjp

Safe to say the VW once again used the public as a test bed for their 1.4TSi engines. Read HJs car by car breakdown and you will see how the various iterations have all had problems.

They tried a turbo and supercharger - too many failures.

They tried a chain cam - too many failures

Tried belt cam - some failures.

10 or so years on and 4th time round they appear to be getting there, but do your research and know what you are buying.

Various - Which VW/Audi TSI petrol lump is best, 1.2 or 1.4? - veloceman
I've owned 4 of the above in recent years.

1.2 105bhp in Ibiza FR. A little disappointing, not as quick as I expected and not the smoothest engine around (could partly be down to aging Ibiza dynamics). Mpg was disappointing too at 42mpg.
1.4 122bhp Leon FR Black. Good smooth engine with lots of low down torque. 46 mpg.
1.4 140/150 ACT Leon FR. These are both cracking giving so much low down torque you drive it like a diesel but still really shift should you want to. To be honest you can't really tell the difference between the two in performance, however I find the 150bhp ACT slightly more economical at 49.2 compared to 47.6 of the 140bhp.
If there is no difference in price I wouldn't bother with the 122bhp as the other two are far quicker and more economical. Also road tax is currently around £125 compared to £30 for the two more powerful variants.
Sorry can't comment on over priced Audi A3 and Golf compitetors.
Various - Which VW/Audi TSI petrol lump is best, 1.2 or 1.4? - skidpan

Yours is not an eassy question to answer simply because you do not say what you want out of the car.

If its for use only in town on shopping and school trips the smallest/cheapest 1.2 should be fine.

If its for long holiday trips loaded with luggage, parents and kids then the 140/150 ps 1.4 in a bigger car would be the best.

I bought a Leon in 2013 fitted with the 140 PS engine, its been absolutely magic. 45 mpg on average, 52/3 mpg on holiday trips, more than enough power - makes overtaking an absolute doddle even when loaded. Basically its the best engine I have ever owned. £30 a year VED.

Its so good I have a new Skoda Superb on order fitted with the 1.4 150 PS version which is due in March. £30 a year VED.

We did try a Polo fitted with the 90 PS 1.2 when the wife was swapping. Did not expect it to perform like the 1.4 but it was a total disappointment, we walked away. The car itself seemed fine but the engine was a let down. There is a 110 PS version available and in the Skoda Fabia its reasonably priced but we did not like that car.

Various - Which VW/Audi TSI petrol lump is best, 1.2 or 1.4? - daveyK_UK

The 1.2 tsi in the 2 Skoda Rapid fleet cars we use for the office staff is fine for the car, sits nicely at 75mph, good fuel economy and plenty of pull.

The only concern and its a big one, the engine timing chains on the 1.2 tsi have a habit of snapping and the skoda dealer service manager when pushed told me 'it was one of those things'!

Cant say im best pleased.

Once the waranty runs out, it will be sold.

Various - Which VW/Audi TSI petrol lump is best, 1.2 or 1.4? - Engineer Andy

Note that apparently VAG are going to be ditching the 1.4 TSi and replacing it with a 1.5 (presumably turbo-charged to varying degrees) version for new models, similar to the 1.2TSi being replaced by the 1 ltr (possibly 3cyl?) variant.

If you're going get one of these, stick with the choices Skidpan & Co. had said, depending upon what sort of driving you'll be doing. My employer has a new Skoda Yeti 1.2TSi (likely the 105 bhp version) pool car, which, by all accounts drives nicely (even with the DSG gearbox), though I haven't driven it yet.

I doubt if the 84 bhp 1.2 has a turbo in it, or if it does, it barely does anything, as most normally-aspirated 1.2s have a power output of around that mark. Often one of the problems with modern cars is that they have their engines mapped to get into a VED (CO2) band and as a result have poor acceleration in certain gears/at X speed. The 1.25 engine in my Dad's Fiesta (and the previous one, actually a bit more perky for that reason) is very nice even though its output is 75 bhp.

If you can afford one, I'd go for the 140/150 bhp engines with the belt-cam as its the best overall in terms of performance/reliability/mpg for the price. Depends on how much £££ you have to spend. Note that (if you can afford a newer car but lower spec), Motorpoint are currently flogging del miles only Euro-imported (RHD UK compliant) Golf S 1.2s for 'only' £12.5k - problem is that they are all the slow 85 bhp versions as well as having very basic spec.

Various - Which VW/Audi TSI petrol lump is best, 1.2 or 1.4? - skidpan

The only concern and its a big one, the engine timing chains on the 1.2 tsi have a habit of snapping and the skoda dealer service manager when pushed told me 'it was one of those things

VAG changed from chains to belts when the new engines were introduced in 2013 but even though the Rapid and its sister the Seat Toledo were introduced at this time they were based on older technology and designs and as far as I know they still continue to use the older chain cam engines. Definitely cars to avoid since they are little if any cheaper than newer better designs from the same brands.

Our neighbour has a 10 plates A1 1.3 TSi which was suffering from timing chain rattle (not teribly bad I must add) about 18 months ago and well out of warranty. Audi contributed 50% to the cost of the repair proving all you need is a good dealer to push for a contribution.

similar to the 1.2TSi being replaced by the 1 ltr (possibly 3cyl?) variant.

The 1.0 TSi has been out for many months now. Its suplementing the 1.2 TSI in most ranges at the moment and is definitely a 3 cylinder design. Press has been very kind so far but they always are if the launch in over in Spain with plenty of wine, food, warm weather etc. etc. Wait for later reviews when the memories of the week away have faded.

I doubt if the 84 bhp 1.2 has a turbo in it, or if it does, it barely does anything, as most normally-aspirated 1.2s have a power output of around that mark.

The 90 PS 1.2 TSI we drove definitely had a turbo but it was still dog slow, no better than the 1.2 normally aspirated Nissan Micra 82 PS car were were swapping.

Various - Which VW/Audi TSI petrol lump is best, 1.2 or 1.4? - pint6x

Thanks for all your answers folks - much appreciated.

Sounds like it's going to be a 1.4, probably the higher output.

It will be 3 years old at least, so 13 or 14 plate.

Most of my driving is long distance - 50 miles plus, so the torque of the 1.4 will be great.

I'm currently running a 2007 BMW 525d Touring with the 3 litre straight six turbo diesel - gorgeous engine, but at 162,000 miles, is starting to cost an arm and a leg.

DPF at 120k was expected, but set me back £2k

In the last 2 months, another £2k: First new brake discs plus crankshaft pulley. then 2 weeks later, Dual mass flywheel and clutch. Ouch.

Now the CV joint that attaches the propshaft to the rear diff is making a noise and needs changing - another £400.

The engine feels good for 300k, but the ancilliary components are all starting to feel their age.

Thanks again for responses - very helpful.

 

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