Ban on internal combustion engines ?

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Fri 21 Oct 2016 09:55
Ban on internal combustion engines ? - hillman

I read in the IEEE online news that the heads of 13 out of the 16 states that make up Germany have voted to allow the sales of only zero emmission engined cars in Germany by 2030. The article states that Norway and other countries have already voted that way. The article says that the states alone cannot carry the motion, only the Federal government can do that, but it has stated a 'conversation'. And that will sharpen the minds of the manufacturers. Much money will move into the hands of the legal eagles and PR guys.

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Fri 21 Oct 2016 12:14
Ban on internal combustion engines ? - daveyjp
Once the 300+ miles 15 minute recharge electric car is reality they will quickly become the norm and its not that far away.

I deal with a business which manufactures a specific component for car engine manufacturers, 30,000 components manufactured a day. They are currently looking at their 5 year investment plan and much of their research is how versions of their product will be utilised on electric vehicles. They know within 10-15 years demand for their product for petrol and diesel engines will have reduced dramatically so need to fill the void now.

Its no different to when IC became the norm and the steam car was confined to history.
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Fri 21 Oct 2016 12:47
Ban on internal combustion engines ? - Bolt

Possibly why Honda have said they will have emission free engines by 2030 and work is going on with catalysts to turn exhaust emissions into usable fuel

I still wonder how they expect to charge so many electric cars with our current system unless we look forward to many power cuts, as at present I have doubts our power supply system would cope?

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Fri 21 Oct 2016 12:57
Ban on internal combustion engines ? - RobJP
Once the 300+ miles 15 minute recharge electric car is reality they will quickly become the norm and its not that far away.

I profoundly disagree. The sheer amount of energy involved in moving a car 300 miles, and any method of transferring such an amount of energy into a set of batteries in a very limited time, will lead to another complete set of problems.

For one, charging stations. You'd end up with tens of thousands of stranded cars on summer weekends (with limited numbers of charging stations), or square miles covered with car parks with charging stations in place. Or the governments have to basically ban people from going on 'leisure' trips on those weekends.

Next, the batteries in such fast-charge technology will simply not last massive numbers of re-charges without huge loss in capacity.

Battery technology hasn't moved on much in the last century. The Detroit Electric had a quoted range of 80 miles, and came to the marketplace in 1907. Compare that to most modern 'pure' electric cars such as the iMiev (99 mile range), or the Leaf (109 mile range), and you'll see that real advances have been mimimal.

We'll wait and see what the 'real' range of the Tesla 3 is. I suspect it'll be a lot less than claimed, if reports from owners of the 'S' are anything to go by.

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Fri 21 Oct 2016 13:10
Ban on internal combustion engines ? - brum

15 days is a long time in politics never mind 15 years.

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Fri 21 Oct 2016 22:39
Ban on internal combustion engines ? - Bromptonaut

Battery technology hasn't moved on much in the last century.

Utter nonesense. No idea what the Detroit Electric was. But if we look at electric cars that (vaguely) meet modern needs compare the G-Whiz with a Leaf or Zoe.

Then go to the Tesla.

Not saying there are no problems in moving to electric but Leaf/Zoe type vehicles would already do the job for many millions of commuters.


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Fri 21 Oct 2016 22:57
Ban on internal combustion engines ? - gordonbennet

For many years yet internal combustion engines will provide our transport needs, as RobJP above, i can't wait to see the queues at Leigh Delamere on a bank holiday Friday afternoon when literally hundreds of cars will need recharging all at once, it will be utter madness nationawide and thats without regular power outages, both accidental and by design for control.

Whether they will ever make Leigh Delamere on the Friday itself is another question entirely when the population in the country approaches 100 million and still rising and the vehicle population has quadrupled from the present.

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Sat 22 Oct 2016 16:52
Ban on internal combustion engines ? - barney100

Anybody gota shilling for the meter?

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Sat 22 Oct 2016 18:11
Ban on internal combustion engines ? - hillman

In the centre of Stockport there is a multi story car park that has three charging points for electric cars and they're usually occupied. Also on the street near Mersey Square there are two or three charging points. I stopped to look at them and a car parked there charging, and the driver engaged me in conversation. He said that it was his second purely electric car and he had got a very good deal. I wonder how the range is affected in winter when the lights are on, the heater is going and the wipers are dealing with a wintry shower.

As far as quick charging is concerned; at one time there was a suggestion that cars would have plug in batteries and would stop at service stations to have their partially discharged battery exchanged for a fully charged one.

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Sat 22 Oct 2016 22:21
Ban on internal combustion engines ? - Avant

" He said that it was his second purely electric car and he had got a very good deal."

Interesting - but he might have got an equally good deal on a petrol car of the same make. Even after the £4,500 grant, a Nissan Leaf or a VW E-up costs half as much again as a well-specified petrol Note or Up.

The price needs to come down (or the grant go up - unlikely!) for EVs to sell in real numbers and even then, as I've said before, EVs are no good if you have to park on the street at home and can't charge them at work.

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Sat 22 Oct 2016 22:33
Ban on internal combustion engines ? - RaineMan

As far as quick charging is concerned; at one time there was a suggestion that cars would have plug in batteries and would stop at service stations to have their partially discharged battery exchanged for a fully charged one.

I had heard this as well but the idea seems to have disappeared these dsys...

The pity is the range of an electric car has barely improved in a century! The idea of having to recharge twice on a drive down to Cornwall fills me with a degee of horror - what if there is not a free charging point, etc. Until the infrasture is far, far better hybrids seem the better option. If I was wealthy I would consider an electric car for local work but would want a petrol one for distance work...

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Sun 23 Oct 2016 11:29
Ban on internal combustion engines ? - gordonbennet

Are the next generation of car buyers being sold a pup, just as the many thousands who were cajoled bamboozled and bribed into Diesels with free VED for many.

Any ideas how much it will cost to charge an electric car in 10 or 15 years time, govt of the day will still be relying on the good old motorist to subsidise out non existant economy, the huge fortune in petrol and other taxes, including whatever VED is applicable at the time, will have to make up the shortfall.

Put it this way, it might make good sense to find one of the still surviving proper cars from the golden years, 90's made up to around 2005 depending on make, and to run it as a moden classic on high days and holidays to keep it going and rustproof it thoroughly and service it lovingly...when there's no electric for whatever reason that suits the govt of the day, that car might be the only thing running, it might get you to work, it might allow you to escape before the drawbridge goes up to keep whoever is left here in, you cannot be sure what the future might bring so dib dib dib.

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