Any - Puncture! - mustangman

On a recent trip to Madiera my Mitsubishi hire car hit a rock or some other solid item, whist grinding up one of the many steep hills.

I managed to get back to my hotel, where I tried to use the tyre sealant & compressor to inflate the tyre.

Connecting the tube from the plastic bottle of sealer to the valve & squeezing hard simply resulted it going everywhere apart from into the tyre. Hopeless.

With virtually no instuctions, I considered removing the valve core, filling & replacing, but there was no tool provided for this.

So what process is the luckless driver supposed to use, to "fix" a flat. Apparantly some compressors have a reservoir that you fill before use. The one in my hire car did not.

(Am I glad my soon to be delivered Disco sport can be had with a spacesaver)

Any - Puncture! - Cyd
So what process is the luckless driver supposed to use, to "fix" a flat.

Phone the hire company for help?

A point well worth considering when hiring a car, especially if one is unfamiliar with these systems.

I too would choose a spacesaver over a sealant system. Even though my Saabs spacesaver still has the 'hairs' on at 9 years old!

Edited by Cyd on 27/03/2016 at 13:33

Any - Puncture! - mustangman

Agreed. The hire company took the car away on a breakdown truck.

I have excess insurance, so I can claim back costs. Its more the poor engineering of the sealant kit that I find a pain.

Any - Puncture! - Engineer Andy

Yet another episode of car firms using unproven 'technology' to reduce cars' weight presumably for the sole purpose of redcuing CO2 emissions without the need to innovate elsewhere. What next?

Any - Puncture! - gordonbennet

Do Landrover seriously provide their new off road capable cars with space savers?

Any - Puncture! - galileo

Do Landrover seriously provide their new off road capable cars with space savers?

I wouldn't be surprised, stupidity seems to be catching these days. You see enough proof every day on the road, I'm sure.

Any - Puncture! - Wackyracer

I still don't understand why they bother supplying gunk and a compressor.

As I have said before, surely it would be better for them to pre fill the tyres with that auto sealing stuff at the factory. Then if you do get a puncture it should self seal without any human intervention.

Still don't think you can beat a full size spare, underslung. Can be changed in 5mins flat and on your way.

Any - Puncture! - Bolt

Still don't think you can beat a full size spare, underslung. Can be changed in 5mins flat and on your way.

I doubt anyone would disagree with that,I`m not bothered where they put one, but try persuading the manufacturers to bring them back...I wish.

Any - Puncture! - Avant

If enough of us make a fuss and refuse to buy cars where a spare isn't even an option, they might start to get the message. The local Toyota dealer said that they were gradually coming back on new models.

I don't mind a space-saver: I don't mind it being an option. But here are some that I looked at when I was drawing up my shortlist recently, where it wasn't an option and there was nowhere to put even a space-saver:

Mercedes GLA, Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, Mazda CX3 and CX5.

We have a spare on SWMBO's Mini Roadster, but I don't think you can have one on Mini hatches.

Anyone like to add to the 'list of shame'?

Any - Puncture! - Wackyracer

Still don't think you can beat a full size spare, underslung. Can be changed in 5mins flat and on your way.

I doubt anyone would disagree with that,I`m not bothered where they put one, but try persuading the manufacturers to bring them back...I wish.

I prefer the underslung ones as it means you don't have to empty a whole boot full of stuff onto the hardshoulder to get the spare wheel out but, yes it is still better than not having a spare wheel.

Any - Puncture! - RT

Still don't think you can beat a full size spare, underslung. Can be changed in 5mins flat and on your way.

I doubt anyone would disagree with that,I`m not bothered where they put one, but try persuading the manufacturers to bring them back...I wish.

I prefer the underslung ones as it means you don't have to empty a whole boot full of stuff onto the hardshoulder to get the spare wheel out but, yes it is still better than not having a spare wheel.

The problem with an underslung spare is that it gets filthy - and increases risk of theft - but then the problem with a boot-fitted spare is having to empty the boot!

My Touareg has a strange arrangement - it has an alloy space-saver, but the tyre is a special design that reduces in diameter as it deflates so has to be stored deflated (a compressor pump IS provided) - which means there's nowhere to store a punctured wheel once changed. And even more annoyingly, the spare has to be remove to top-up the Adblue tank, not so easy as you get older!

Any - Puncture! - gordonbennet

I too prefer underslung spare wheels, but as with many things on cars it's thieves and previous owners who cause the problems.

Thieves can be foiled by a suitable locking bolt, or if the design allows wrap a bike chain or substantial wire around the tyre and frame above, then a proper anti bolt cutter padlock, which unless its brass mechanism should be thoroughly oiled and greased and wrapped in a waterproof bag or periodically undone and relubed.

The dirt problem can be cured simply by putting the spare in a suitable bag.

The worse problem though is people who never think to operate the spare lowering system, nor importantly to grease it once a year.

Agree with Avant's usual good common sense view of don't buy new cars without a spare wheel, especially those with no space for one at all, but this applies to used buyers too, its only when companies and individuals get hit in the pocket that things change....i have no doubt if it wasn't for the now fairly common knowledge utter misery of owning (and driving) an out of warranty automated manual box that there would be myriads of the rubbish still being made.

Any - Puncture! - Avant

I could have added the BMW 3-series to the list of shame, but BMW would no doubt claim that runflats are available. I'm not sure who wins if a runflat gets a two-inch gash caused by a pothole.

Any - Puncture! - gordonbennet

I think runflats are a different case, they wouldn't be my first choice but given how our country and its people have changed in recent decades, one can easily imagine those, maybe like lone females, much happier able to continue to a place of safety without stopping should a puncture occur, as we all know that once in ten years you get a puncture its always at the worse possible moment.

Maybe for lone females and others runflats are actually the best choice.

My son is on 17" runflats, the prices of which are now much more sensible than they were, good makes available from around £80 each which isn't at all bad.

Obviously belt and braces would be run the run flats but also have a space saver + jack + wheelbrace and correct bolts in a pack in the boot.

Any - Puncture! - bathtub tom

How would an average driver know a runflat's got a puncture?

Bearing in mind my daughter's been known to run her MX5 on a flat tyre without knowing.

Any - Puncture! - gordonbennet

Presumably the TPMS shows a warning.

Don't mention daughters, mine called in yesterday, she had 2 new Rain Experts on the front of her CivicS in Oct/Nov, they're down to 4mm already.

She takes delivery of her brand new type R next month, and i wonder why i'm completely grey.

Any - Puncture! - Bolt

Presumably the TPMS shows a warning.

Don't mention daughters, mine called in yesterday, she had 2 new Rain Experts on the front of her CivicS in Oct/Nov, they're down to 4mm already.

She takes delivery of her brand new type R next month, and i wonder why i'm completely grey.

Civics are heavy on tyres, in 30k I had 3 sets on the front, Honda state Max 12k on type R due to suspension set up, But gather it hugs the road very well at speed

Any - Puncture! - gordonbennet

I've been a bit worried about the tyre situation (among a myriad other things) on the new one, the sales geezer told her they're £250 apiece, but having looked the size up i find Conti 6's and similar proper stuff for around £120/150 so whilst expensive (just ordered 4 Vred Sportrac 5's for her current steed for £140odd) not quite as bad as she'd been led to believe.

Dunno about the Civic itself being heavy on tyres, its her lead boots, but to be fair she does a lot of miles and her daily commute sees her on the Milton Keynes tyre shredding roundabouts, but this is the quickest she's ever got through them.

I get the tyres in advance when the right deal presents itself, and she pays me back when she collects them from my shed when needed, same with t'other daughter, who isn't as barmy, well not in the same way..:-)

Thanks for the reassuring words about it holding the road well, i and her brother tried to convince her to go for an STi instead purely for its ultimate road grip in all weathers, but she did not enjoy it as much and to be fair the ownership costs after same price purchase were noticeably higher, plus she's developed a trust in her Civics over several years and over a hundred thousand miles, and i can't argue with that.

Any - Puncture! - Bolt

I've been a bit worried about the tyre situation (among a myriad other things) on the new one, the sales geezer told her they're £250 apiece, but having looked the size up i find Conti 6's and similar proper stuff for around £120/150 so whilst expensive (just ordered 4 Vred Sportrac 5's for her current steed for £140odd) not quite as bad as she'd been led to believe.

Dunno about the Civic itself being heavy on tyres, its her lead boots, but to be fair she does a lot of miles and her daily commute sees her on the Milton Keynes tyre shredding roundabouts, but this is the quickest she's ever got through them.

I get the tyres in advance when the right deal presents itself, and she pays me back when she collects them from my shed when needed, same with t'other daughter, who isn't as barmy, well not in the same way..:-)

Thanks for the reassuring words about it holding the road well, i and her brother tried to convince her to go for an STi instead purely for its ultimate road grip in all weathers, but she did not enjoy it as much and to be fair the ownership costs after same price purchase were noticeably higher, plus she's developed a trust in her Civics over several years and over a hundred thousand miles, and i can't argue with that.

If it wasnt for my back problems I would have bought one myself, but being just on 60 now it is more of a younger drivers car, so i`m going to wait for next years Civic to come out

I was annoyed they only supply goo instead of spare wheel though,and if I had not kept space saver from last Civic would have been charged £120 by Honda for one.

still if anyone trades in their 8th gen Civic for 9th, the 8th gen spacesaver fits the 9th according to forum Civinfo

Any - Puncture! - gordonbennet

I've had nothing at all to do with this purchase, best if dad keeps his oar out that way he can't be blamed, and i never gave spare wheel a thought, but thanks for the space saver tip, so just to clarify her car will be brand new, i'm not up to date with generation models, so what years can we get a space saver from please Bolt?

Any - Puncture! - andyp

I've had nothing at all to do with this purchase, best if dad keeps his oar out that way he can't be blamed, and i never gave spare wheel a thought, but thanks for the space saver tip, so just to clarify her car will be brand new, i'm not up to date with generation models, so what years can we get a space saver from please Bolt?

Is there space to store a space saver and tools under the boot floor on the current Civic as I am currently considering a pre reg 1.8 auto and I would not buy a car where there was no space for a spare ?

Any - Puncture! - focussed

I've had nothing at all to do with this purchase, best if dad keeps his oar out that way he can't be blamed, and i never gave spare wheel a thought, but thanks for the space saver tip, so just to clarify her car will be brand new, i'm not up to date with generation models, so what years can we get a space saver from please Bolt?

Is there space to store a space saver and tools under the boot floor on the current Civic as I am currently considering a pre reg 1.8 auto and I would not buy a car where there was no space for a spare ?

Have a look on here,

www.coxmotorparts.co.uk/genuine-honda-civic-2013-s...l

the most helpful Honda dealer in the UK for spares, I live in France and buy my spares from them.

Any - Puncture! - andyp

Thanks for that focussed.

Any - Puncture! - Bolt

I've had nothing at all to do with this purchase, best if dad keeps his oar out that way he can't be blamed, and i never gave spare wheel a thought, but thanks for the space saver tip, so just to clarify her car will be brand new, i'm not up to date with generation models, so what years can we get a space saver from please Bolt?

Is there space to store a space saver and tools under the boot floor on the current Civic as I am currently considering a pre reg 1.8 auto and I would not buy a car where there was no space for a spare ?

Have a look on here,

www.coxmotorparts.co.uk/genuine-honda-civic-2013-s...l

the most helpful Honda dealer in the UK for spares, I live in France and buy my spares from them.

2006 to the latest Civic all take the same space saver, I think the 9th generation is from feb 2012, the saver wheel well is larger on the latest Civic so you can get more in

I have a fair amount of tools in with the saver but if you do that make sure they are wrapped as they can be a pain moving around in the well.

As focussed said, Cox are I think the best to get parts from and appear to be faster at delivery than anyone else I have used.

To the best of my knowledge the type R should come with a number as they are a special edition R, but if they sell enough will be making a more extreme version (in competition with Ford Focus I think)

Any - Puncture! - FoxyJukebox

Right lets hear a few success stories from people who have had a successful tyre puncture issue resolved by a toothpaste tube of goo.......come on --hit the keyboard with praise or otherwise?

plse write ...

Any - Puncture! - Wackyracer

Not me personally but, a friend got a puncture on his VW. Did the goo and compressor, did not inflate. had a look underneath and saw a hole the size of a golf ball in the inner tyrewall. Had to be towed home and get a mobile tyre fitter to come and fit a new tyre.

Now if he had a spare wheel, he could have been on his way in 5mins.

Any - Puncture! - Bolt

Every car I`ve bought with the goo in the boot, the goo has been thrown away.

Replaced with a spare wheel or space saver whichever I could get at the time....

Any - Puncture! - slkfanboy

Well my ford focus has a spare wheel, ford get no credit for this as all the reviews compain it has a small boot!

Any - Puncture! - gordonbennet

Bolt and Focussed, many thanks for the info and the link for Cox's.

Any - Puncture! - Bolt

Right lets hear a few success stories from people who have had a successful tyre puncture issue resolved by a toothpaste tube of goo.......come on --hit the keyboard with praise or otherwise?

plse write ...

I wonder how many drivers even know they have it in the boot, salesman I dealt with at Honda changed the subject when I asked if they now put a spacesaver in the boot.

I knew they didnt but asked anyway, but no mention of the goo was made

Any - Puncture! - Avant

"I wonder how many drivers even know they have it in the boot."

Quite right, Bolt. They'll find out the hard way one day: country lane....pothole....2-inch gash....can of goo no use....no mobile signal.

From us - not a wet eye in the house.

Any - Puncture! - concrete

My Skoda Superb has a full size spare, in a well beneath the boot lining. The car came with 17" wheels with 225x45x17 tyres. When I say full size, that is a relative term. The well will accommodate a maximum of a 16" wheel!! So the spare is actually a steel 16" wheel with a 205x55x16 tyre. It will easily get you out of immediate trouble and IMHO is far better than a skinny spare. Obviously the body pressing was designed before the 'big wheel' craze that seems to have pervaded the car market. A friend trashed a 20" wheel and tyre on his X5. The price of a small second hand car to replace it!!! Cheers Concrete