most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - nailit

As more new cars are now without even a spacesaver wheel, what are the liabilities if you purchased and carried a full size spare? The spacesaver is not recommended for use on the front in my opinion and I'd rather carry all that extra weight of a full size spare and suffer the increase in fuel! The taxman gets his cut from that.

Eg. It places your car in a higher road tax band for one. Would an insurance company use this against your possible claim in any accident, I would not be surprised if they did.

Nalit.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - oldroverboy.

I carry a full size alloy spare. No change to road tax and does not affect insurance premium. (at least not with lv and privilege)

I have not noticed any difference in fuel consumption, but when I sold the previous car was surprised at how much junk I had accumulated.

If you want a spare just get it.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - Avant

There's no way that you could be breaking any law by carrying a full-size spare. And you wouldn't be subject to higher road tax as you're effectively carrying an extra piece of baggage (You could try that one on the mother-in-law - "Sorry, can't give you a lift - I'd have to pay more road tax.")

But it's worth checking that the well holding the spacesaver is big enough for a full-size wheel and tyre: some are, some aren't. In the latter case it didn't occur to the men in suits that you need somewhere to put the full-size punctured tyre when the boot is full of luggage.

I actually found my spacesaver fine for a 100-mile journey (it was on the front).

There are some cars where there isn't even room for a spacesaver. The answer to that is not to buy such a car: the designer must be so congenitally stupid that one wonders what else might be wrong with the car.

Edited by Avant on 21/11/2015 at 11:40

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - madf

I bought a spacesaver for my Jazz.. But I also bought the bolt and washer to secure it into the spare wheel well.

A loose wheel and tyre in teh boot can do a lot of damage to people in teh car in the evnt of a crash.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - hillman

I wouldn't buy a car that didn't have a spare wheel, the least I would expect is a space saver.

By the way, has anybody else found that when they try to answer a post that the space won't accept the text ? I find that increasingly. I've found a way to et over it by firstly click on 'Profile', reading my name etc. and then clicking on the arrow to get me back to where I was.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - Harley12

At the start of my buying logic was to look for a car that had a space saving spare tyre at least. Now in hindsight I am thinking would I want to start trying to take off a rain drenched likely muddy SUV tyre on a motorway at any time. Answer... No way. The RAC do a non latex gel and compressor kit with replacements gels at £10. A 10 minute repair and off you go to a tyre depot to get puncture repaired.

Seems sensible to me now. an 18 inch allow is not the handiest thing to take off or put on an axle.

so convenience if it works is good in my eyes. But it is a toss up between having a space saver in the boot and using the RAC to come and fit the tyre for you.

Depends on your circumstances. Wife prefers gel kit... convenient and no lifting.

I prefer tyre... though I would not change the wheel... I ask whats the point... go gel? Confused... I still am!

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - Avant

What would you do without a spacesaver, Harley, if you found yourself with a 2-inch gash caused by a pothole, on one of the 33,000 miles of UK roads where there is no mobile reeption?

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - Wackyracer

I bought a spacesaver for my Jazz.. But I also bought the bolt and washer to secure it into the spare wheel well.

A loose wheel and tyre in teh boot can do a lot of damage to people in teh car in the evnt of a crash.

Yes but, how do you secure the full size puncture wheel when you have fitted the space saver?

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - brum

Sods law, pay for a full size spare and you never need to use it, carrying a heavy weight permanentely with attendant lower mpg.

Or rely on the gunk, find it doesnt work first time you use it and it ruins the tyre in the process.

Or like me, pay for full size tyre/wheel (skoda) and find out years layer they actually gave you a space saver skinny wheel that isnt even the same diameter.

Maybe having breakdown cover that can repair tyres roadside might be the best option.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - focussed

Or you could forget mucking about doing all the aforementioned and just fit a pre-puncture gel that will seal most small punctures so you won't have to put your life in danger stopping at the side of the road to change a wheel or inject post- puncture seal.

I've been using it for years in cars and large powerful motorcycles, the only point to bear in mind is that you will probably not be aware that you have a puncture so regular tyre inspection is needed.

This is a brand I've used recently - it's not the only one by any means so just search for anti puncture gel or something similar.

www.punctureseal.com/commercial-grade.html

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - skidpan

Bought full size spares for both our Leon and Note. Both came with gunge although spacesavers were factory fit options on both, but since both were dealer stock the option for dealer fit spares was extortionate.

The wheel well in the Note accomodates the spare without even having to raise the boor floor. On the Leon the boot floor is up a couple of inches.

Having a puncture on our twice a year Scottish trip with no spare would be unthinkable even with breakdown cover. If we got a puncture the wheel could be changed and back on the road within 30 minutes max. Waiting hours for the RAC and then hoping he could find a tyre shop open on a Saturday afternoon in the wilds of Scotland could take hours.

As for insurance why would they be interested, replacing a tyre with another in the OEM or a factory option size is surely better than using gloop or a spacesaver.

Since our spares are both steel and not alloy we would need to keep the speed down to 50mph but even 50mph is better than stationary on the hard shoulder.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - RT
Since our spares are both steel and not alloy we would need to keep the speed down to 50mph but even 50mph is better than stationary on the hard shoulder.

It's because the space-saver tyre is limited to 50mph - my Touareg has an alloy space-saver but is still limited to 50.

Some cars get a full-size steel wheel as spare, fitted with a full-size tyre - so no speed restriction - it's just looks odd when fitted.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - concrete
Since our spares are both steel and not alloy we would need to keep the speed down to 50mph but even 50mph is better than stationary on the hard shoulder.

It's because the space-saver tyre is limited to 50mph - my Touareg has an alloy space-saver but is still limited to 50.

Some cars get a full-size steel wheel as spare, fitted with a full-size tyre - so no speed restriction - it's just looks odd when fitted.

My Skoda Superb has 225/45/17 alloys with Michellins. The spare is a 'full' size steel wheel but only 215/45/16 so it fits into the well under the boot floor cover. Only used it once and it felt fine, but I took it easy just in case the diffreing sizes caused problems. Better that a 'skinny' IMHO. Cheers Concrete

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - industryman
Since our spares are both steel and not alloy we would need to keep the speed down to 50mph but even 50mph is better than stationary on the hard shoulder.

It's because the space-saver tyre is limited to 50mph - my Touareg has an alloy space-saver but is still limited to 50.

Some cars get a full-size steel wheel as spare, fitted with a full-size tyre - so no speed restriction - it's just looks odd when fitted.

My Skoda Superb has 225/45/17 alloys with Michellins. The spare is a 'full' size steel wheel but only 215/45/16 so it fits into the well under the boot floor cover. Only used it once and it felt fine, but I took it easy just in case the diffreing sizes caused problems. Better that a 'skinny' IMHO. Cheers Concrete

The use of the term "full size" causes confusion when applied to spare wheels. A spare wheel/tyre must be the "correct size" to be legal for travel at normal speeds (note - the material from which the wheel is made is not relevant). Any "wrong size" wheel/tyre must classified as a "temporary spare" and conform to the regulations which apply to these. Hence, for example, a 215/45R16 fitted in place of a 225/45R17 must comply to the legislation applying to temporary spares and is therefore restricted to 50mph, exactly the same as a skinny spare, because as far as the law is concerned it is no different - it is the wrong size.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - Bromptonaut

Some cars get a full-size steel wheel as spare, fitted with a full-size tyre - so no speed restriction - it's just looks odd when fitted.

My 2013 Berlingo has a steel spare same size as standard alloys. It's still speed restricted, apparently because of the unequal weights of the two different wheels.

Talking to he dealer at the weekend new Citroens ome with pump + goo. Spare, including its underboot or underfloor fittings, is an optional extra.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - Wackyracer

That is interesting, I remember seeing adverts for such a product when I was at a customers premises about 10 years ago. The poster had a price of approx £40 for them to fill the tyres. I had no idea that there was DIY pump kits available.

Is this stuff easy to clean off a wheel when it comes to replacing worn out tyres?

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - focussed

That is interesting, I remember seeing adverts for such a product when I was at a customers premises about 10 years ago. The poster had a price of approx £40 for them to fill the tyres. I had no idea that there was DIY pump kits available.

Is this stuff easy to clean off a wheel when it comes to replacing worn out tyres?

Sorry I missed your query on the anti-puncture gel.

Yes it's easy to wash out with a hose as it is water soluble and doesn't damage the tyre or wheel, despite what tyre fitters who want to sell you a new tyre say.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - Andrew-T

... carrying a heavy weight permanently with attendant lower mpg.

Sorry, brum, I defy you to provide any proof that carrying a 'small' extra weight in the rear of a car has any measurable effect on fuel consumption. Things that do have an effect are roof racks (drag) and air-con (demand on the electrics) - and of course the way the car is driven.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - RT

... carrying a heavy weight permanently with attendant lower mpg.

Sorry, brum, I defy you to provide any proof that carrying a 'small' extra weight in the rear of a car has any measurable effect on fuel consumption. Things that do have an effect are roof racks (drag) and air-con (demand on the electrics) - and of course the way the car is driven.

Car makers think it does - that's why cars are shedding weight with higher strength steel so less is used.

Continually accelerating an extra mass consumes energy.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - Wackyracer

Car makers think it does - that's why cars are shedding weight with higher strength steel so less is used.

Continually accelerating an extra mass consumes energy.

Or is it the fact it saves on manufacturing costs while still charging the same or higher prices?

My Vauxhalls roof and floor is already made of steel thin enough to be used as feeler gauges.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - Andrew-T

<< Car makers think it does - that's why cars are shedding weight with higher strength steel so less is used. >>

Based on the evolution of cars in the last 30 years or so, I would rather believe that makers want to stretch the same amount of steel over a larger volume, since that is what many unthinking buyers have been going for. Sadly most roads stay the same width, so they tend to get in each others' way more.

And cars shedding weight ... really? If so, it's only about time. I don't know the figures, but is the Fiat 500 under a ton? I doubt it.

Edited by Andrew-T on 21/11/2015 at 20:14

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - colinh

The situation with the new Prius is typical of modern trends - makes choosing the right spec. more complicated

"Space saver spare is standard on Active & Business editions with 15" Alloys with a repair kit being a FOC Option

Business Plus and Excel models with 17" wheels have the tyre repair kit"

Presumably the larger-wheeled models need the lighter weight of the repair kit to stay within an emissions band

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - nailit

As far as stating a spare wheel added is just the same as luggage, - if you secure it (as its dangerous not to and is relatively simple by a bolt) then surely it's a none standard fitting, ie a modification, same as fitting after market alloys, which of course invalidates the insurance (unless you tell them).

Nailit

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - catsdad

Nailit, think of it in the same way as using the metal loops most cars have to secure luggage in the boot. You dont declare such luggage as being a fitting. The unfitted spare wheel is simply part of the contents and using it, if it matches the original spec, is not the same as using alloys that are not part of the spec.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - Avant

Focussed, that was interesting about the pre-puncture sealant: I hadn't heard of that before. The link says 'Seals punctures up to ¼” (6mm)' - which is about as much as could be expected of it.

I'm not spiteful by nature, but I confess to wishing for the designers who decree 'no room even for a spacesaver' to suffer a puncture due to a one-inch gash (e.g. from a pothole) in a country lane miles from anywhere in one of the many areas where there is no mobile phone reception.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - dimdip

Nothing to contribute, but just wanted to say what an informative and useful thread – shows there's more to every subject than you realise!

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - FoxyJukebox

In nearly all instances where i have experienced a flat tyre in the last 20 years, this was due to a thickly lodged nail. No amount of tyre sealant or whatever would have done any good at all other than for a few minutes. This is exactly the time it would take to foot-pump UP the offending wheel--and drive -very carefully- to a tyre repair place. Much better though would be to change the blinking wheel !

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - gordonbennet

I'm against puncture sealants and goo/toy compressor kits and DIY punture sealant bodges, when you get a punture unless you can find and extract something obvious like a complete tack in the main tread, you have no idea what foreign object caused the puncture but more importantly what that object has done to the inside of the tyre.

A nail for example, how long has it been there, you extract 1" of nail but was it 2" when it went in and been gradually worn away.

A nail or screw or any piece of debris entering a tyre can wreak serious damage inside, a nail going into the tread at an angle can be cutting the sidewall cords every revolution as the tyre flexes, it might have travelled many miles doing this before the punture hole leaks enough for the driver to notice, driver then uses puncture kit...or the pre sealant does it's thing and we're all on our way again...it doesn't take much imagination to guess what the end result might be when the sidewall blows out at the wrong moment at the wrong speed.

No tyre should be repaired before its been removed from the rim and examined inside by someone competent.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - skidpan

As far as stating a spare wheel added is just the same as luggage, - if you secure it (as its dangerous not to and is relatively simple by a bolt) then surely it's a none standard fitting, ie a modification, same as fitting after market alloys, which of course invalidates the insurance (unless you tell them).

If you secure the spare wheel in the well in the boot intended for a spare wheel with a bolt/fitting designed to secure the wheel where is the problem. If it cost £1000's of pounds and was likely to be stolen the insurers may have issues but mine cost £70 and is locked in the boot. A manufacturers OEM spacesaver would cost over £200 to replace.

Insurance companies have issues with aftermarket alloys because they tend to be way bigger than OEM and way more expensive to replace after an accident or theft. But if you speak to them its normal for no extra to be charged if they are sensibly sized and priced.

Modifications attract extra insurance costs normally because they increase the value of the car, the performance of the car or make the car more desirable to car thieves. Putting a £70 wheel/tyre in the spare wheel well does none of the above.

Earlier this year I had a tow bar fitted and contacted the insurance company (Aviva). Basically they were not interested if the cost was below £500.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - nailit

I agree skidpan - sorry I should have been more clear, I should have stated I had sourced a spare none standard alloy, same size and new tyre, new scissor jack, all for just over 100 squids. As the Mazda spacesaver kit retails at £420. The mazda alloy wheel is £199.60p.

The tyre-well space is not big enough to take it. I had taken measurements and knew it was smaller but hoped the curvature of the tyre would allow to save a bit more space.

Hence my post, I'm glad I purchased it though. The boots massive and swallows it easily with plenty of space left.

Nailit.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - focussed

Focussed, that was interesting about the pre-puncture sealant: I hadn't heard of that before. The link says 'Seals punctures up to ¼” (6mm)' - which is about as much as could be expected of it.

I'm not spiteful by nature, but I confess to wishing for the designers who decree 'no room even for a spacesaver' to suffer a puncture due to a one-inch gash (e.g. from a pothole) in a country lane miles from anywhere in one of the many areas where there is no mobile phone reception.

This puncture sealant or pre-sealant has been available for years, the primary interest has always been from touring motorcyclists, which is why I started using it on the basis that the worst thing to happen on a wet night miles from home on a motorway is a puncture.

As well as sealing small punctures instantly some brands which contain granulated rubber threads have been reported as slowing down catastrophic air loss resulting from running over sharp objects, broken bottles etc, sufficently that a controlled stop could be achieved before the tyre went totally flat.

Another benefit is that for some reason tyres run cooler.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - Cyd

Personally I am quite happy to use a space saver tyre. There are no particular safety ssues if you drive carefully with it fitted and it will allow you to continue on your way in situations where the puncture repair stuff wouldn't.

Whatever spare you decide upon, don't forget that you will also need a jack and tools to remove the wheel nuts, no-one else seems to have considered that!

I'd also agree with ensuring it is secure. A 30Kg wheel & tyre travelling at 70mph will kill someone. Even at 30mph if you have an accident with another car you are likely to be subject to deceleration forces of about 30g.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - skidpan

Personally I am quite happy to use a space saver tyre. There are no particular safety ssues if you drive carefully with it fitted and it will allow you to continue on your way in situations where the puncture repair stuff wouldn't.

Personally I would be quite happy to drive locally with a space saver fitted. The problem is when we (and others) go on long holiday runs with a fully loaded car. I for one do not want to do up to 400 miles on busy motorways at 50mph with a bike tyre fitted.

Whatever spare you decide upon, don't forget that you will also need a jack and tools to remove the wheel nuts, no-one else seems to have considered that!

Bought the jack when I bought the wheel, pretty obvious you will need one. But some numpties would no doubt overlook the obvious. Socket wrench and socket to get the nuts off.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - Big John

Bought the jack when I bought the wheel, pretty obvious you will need one. But some numpties would no doubt overlook the obvious. Socket wrench and socket to get the nuts off.

My 14 month old Superb II came with a spare wheel kit inc jack etc - but not the tool required to remove the plastic caps

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - Jodd

I have ridden a couple of hundred thousand miles on motorbikes with countless punctures along the way. Pull the nail out, plug it with a kit, get to a repair shop and have the tyre plugged properly or replaced. Is there a reason why this does not work for cars?

Why clutter up the car with extra weight and less space for a low probability event, which has acceptable alternative solutions?

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - RT

I have ridden a couple of hundred thousand miles on motorbikes with countless punctures along the way. Pull the nail out, plug it with a kit, get to a repair shop and have the tyre plugged properly or replaced. Is there a reason why this does not work for cars?

Why clutter up the car with extra weight and less space for a low probability event, which has acceptable alternative solutions?

Tyre strings are used commonly by off-roaders - providing an adequate temporary repair.

Only a spare, full-size or space-saver, will suffice after a blow-out.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - jc2

My dealer was happy to remove the spare from my previous car and put it in the boot of the new one(same model)and put the goo in the previous one.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - The Gingerous One

My Jag didn't come with a spare, but as I was buying a set of wheels for use with winter tyres, I just added another wheel and and another tyre to the purchase.

If you are doing your own spare-wheel-kit, then yes, you need to bolt the wheel down (I actually used a Qashqai spare wheel bolt, same metric thread) and make sure you buy a decent jack.

Jags' are heavy cars so an el-cheapo 1 ton scissor jack will break. Buy a 1.5 ton one and don't forget a wheel brace.

The Jag is only ever going to do ~32mpg at best so there's no difference. Car weighed 1.5 tons before, now weighs 1.5 tons + spare wheel + jack.

There has been some backlash in Australia about lack of full-size spares (or inability to carry them in some cars) as like another poster here commented, what happens if you get a puncture in the middle of nowhere ? Be it Scotland or the outback....

and if I carry one, I won't need it....still got the original trim panels so when I sell/swpa the car I can reinstate the trim and remove the spare wheel....

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - Bilboman

I suffered a slow puncture which took a day to reveal itself and I got what I thought was a proper repair job and was on my way within a couple of hours. The seemingly experienced tyre fitter put a patch on the inside sidewall of the afflicted front tyre (is that even legal?) but I suffered a high speed blowout later that afternoon on a downhill stretch of a very winding motorway in Cantabria (northern Spain).
Even though I had broken down right by a long emergency stopping area (a long deep gravelled section in a widened hard shoulder) I did not relish the idea of changing or subsequently using the space saver and I called out yet another tow truck. 80 km/h on a fast, winding motorway for a two hour journey home with uncomprehending HGVs bearing down on me in their rush to the Santander ferry? No way, José.
If these wretched penny pinching devices must be allowed - I for one would applaud their demise - then some kind of warning sign is needed, so that other drivers would know why a car is going so slowly and could make allowances. A large "80" ("50 mph" in Britain) sign, similar to a speed limit sign but in different colours, stuck to the inside of the windscreen behind the driver, should do the trick.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - jc2

I had a front wheel sidewall failure(my fault)-I had a space-saver,so no serious concern;goo would never seal it.What frightens me is the number of cars running around with space-savers on the front.I shudder at the effect they must have on braking and handling-I put a back wheel on the front and the space-saver on the back.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - gordonbennet

I had a front wheel sidewall failure(my fault)-I had a space-saver,so no serious concern;goo would never seal it.What frightens me is the number of cars running around with space-savers on the front.I shudder at the effect they must have on braking and handling-I put a back wheel on the front and the space-saver on the back.

I'd agree with you yet people appear convinced by the one size fits all mantra of new tyres must be fitted to the rear, citing possible oversteer problems (apparently no one can counter this any more) which apparently don't present an issue when you fit a space saver with about the same size and tread depth as my wheelbarrows tyre.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - Avant

It's not as bad as I expected; having only ever done local trips with a space-saver before, a few months ago I had to drive 90 miles home with it on the N/S front wheel (I take your point, jc2, but I didn't fancy changing two wheels by the roadside).

There was no problem on the A34 and A303 - I was doing about 55 mph - and although I was cautions going round bends in the country lanes near home, I still didn't notice any effect on the Octavia's handling.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - jc2

It's that bad,is it? Sorry!

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - jc2

Couldn't resist it!!!

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - Avant

Fair enough - I wouldn't have resisted it either.

For the record it's a 2013 Octavia rather than one of 1965 vintage! (In fact those handled better than the subsequent 1000MB and Estelle).

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - veryoldbear

We regularly go over to France where we have a cottage. I've always made sure I have a real and matching spare. Get a flat in France and you are unlikely to be able to find a matching spare (unless it's Michelin) and if you can't they will insist on selling you two tyres because the have some obscure rule that says you have to have matching spares on an axle.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - jc2

We regularly go over to France where we have a cottage. I've always made sure I have a real and matching spare. Get a flat in France and you are unlikely to be able to find a matching spare (unless it's Michelin) and if you can't they will insist on selling you two tyres because the have some obscure rule that says you have to have matching spares on an axle.

It's not an obscure rule-it's their interpretation of EU regulations which state that tyres of the same type must be on the same axle.Other countries take it to mean both radial, both crossply or both bias belted.

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - galileo

I had a front wheel sidewall failure(my fault)-I had a space-saver,so no serious concern;goo would never seal it.What frightens me is the number of cars running around with space-savers on the front.I shudder at the effect they must have on braking and handling-I put a back wheel on the front and the space-saver on the back.

I'd agree with you yet people appear convinced by the one size fits all mantra of new tyres must be fitted to the rear, citing possible oversteer problems (apparently no one can counter this any more) which apparently don't present an issue when you fit a space saver with about the same size and tread depth as my wheelbarrows tyre.

Today I saw two cars in a carpark with space savers on 14/15 inch rims while the other wheels were 18/19 inch rims. The thing is, the same cars were there last week with the same nasty looking combination.

Apart from the iffy braking and handling of such a set up, running in a straight line the differential must be working as if on a full-lock turn (which would only be at low speed), hardly good for it?

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - RT
Apart from the iffy braking and handling of such a set up, running in a straight line the differential must be working as if on a full-lock turn (which would only be at low speed), hardly good for it?

Many, perhaps most, space-savers are the same overall diameter as the normal road tyres despite the difference in rim size (due to tyre sidewall height) so rarely an issue with the diff.

Edited by RT on 15/12/2015 at 20:06

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - galileo
Apart from the iffy braking and handling of such a set up, running in a straight line the differential must be working as if on a full-lock turn (which would only be at low speed), hardly good for it?

Many, perhaps most, space-savers are the same overall diameter as the normal road tyres despite the difference in rim size (due to tyre sidewall height) so rarely an issue with the diff.

These definitely were about 3 inches smaller diameter. I wondered if they'd got space savers intended for smaller wheels - maybe because a can of gunk was the standard equipment?

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - nailit

In the new 'face-lift' Mazda 6 the hollow/well for the spacesaver (should you purchase this optional extra @ >£420 ) is way too small for a full size spare wheel. Therefore the spare intrudes massively into the overall boot luggage space. To be fair it is a big boot, but looks ugly and is an obstacle.

:-(

most new cars - spare wheel and liabilities - meldrew

Runflats anyone.....?

(Puts tin hat on and leaves quietly!)