The c6 also reminds me of the avantime in that they have very high initial costs but steep depreciation. This ignites the fantasist in my that I will be able to get a 3 / 4 year old one for peanuts.
Of course the Renault didn't last long enough to have sufficient supply. although I still wistfully look at them on autotradet now and again, still a fantastic looking car.
On a slightly related point did anyone else notice that they used a silver c6 as a policecar in Torchwood and that the same car turned up in the first episode of the new series of doctor who? I can't think of any police forces that would use the big citroen so can only assume it was chosen for its futuristic shape!
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I suspect the C5 will kill the C6 just as the Renault Laguna did the Safrane. In the 1990s I had a Safrane followed by a Laguna and the Laguna had very little less room for people and luggage.
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It's a different market. The C5 is a standard rep-mobile, aimed at fleets.
The C6 is a much posher affair (even if it's only marketing) and will be bought by the kind of people who hanker after a DS, or who want to make a design statement. It's just not aimed at volume sales. I doubt also that Citroen ever expected to sell many here, they must have felt that having it in the range demonstrated a breadth of capability that is important for their overall marketing message. Rivals can't write you off as the seller of discount first-car hatchbacks quite so easily.
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Just seen my first one on the road - on launch day - on the Bracknell by-pass. Certainly looks great in the rear view mirror, side on and good enough from behind too.
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Well i've seen most specs now, seems most manuals are steel sprung with cable handbrake, whilst the auto's tend to be hydraulic sprung with electric handbrake, no doubt there will be mix and match available, but i've a feeling that if you have hydraulics you are going to have the leccy brake anyway.
Lots of aluminium used in the susp/subframe.
Feels good to me so far, a big improvement on the previous model, a little larger outside, can't decide if that tranlsates to more room inside yet.
Haven't seen a 2.7 yet, but took a top range leathered diesel (presume 2.0) auto to dealer, very smooth box, and torquey engine, but quieter than before. Feels solid to me.
I could see myself with one of these, never thought i'd say that. I really hope they do well with it.
Wonder if they'll try and shift the stock of C6's before releasing the 2.7?
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gordonbennet.
It is very nice to see your positive thoughts on the new Citroen C5. I will definitely be checking it out with my wife when it appears in Dublin showrooms. It looks superb in the pictures.From reading reports and watching out for the crippling tax,it seems most sensible to get a manual gearbox. Citroen C5 autos seem to be extremely thirsty and bad with CO2s.Understandably the manuals seem to fair much better according to various reports.One report mentioned about the great weight of that special luxury suspension. I always like manual pull up handbrakes, surely more reliable. I really hope this car will be a great success!
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Cattleman.
Are you exposed to that "German" advert in the Republic ?
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Pugugly.
I haven't seen it on our local TV station yet; but I've seen it on the UK ones because we have Sky TV. It's an absolute scream!! I laugh all the time when I see it. I can understand some people might be upset about it because of their past. I respect these people; but I think it was done in Bavaria with Bavarian costumes. The saucy girl giving the chap sausage. I played cello in an opera and ballet orchestra for years, so I enjoy listening and playing Wagner. The advert is done brilliantly. I enjoy the laugh!!
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Hi Cattleman, i agree about the handbrakes, and to be honest its a gimmick too far IMO.
As things wear over time, you can feel the resistance and movement on a normal handbrake (or the merc type foot operated parking brake), not so with electric operated, but they are getting more popular so i expect our kids will have to live with it.
As a convicted luddite i can probably avoid a lot of these dubious changes in my remaining motoring years.
I'd like to see the various kerb weights for the new C5, i can't really imagine the hydraulic suspension making a huge difference TBH.
Its very chunky at the front, not dissimilar to audi's, somewhat higher and more squared off than most others, and certainly looks much more handsome than its stablemate the 407, but then one mans meat etc.
Citroen seem to be making huge strides forward in their designs, with some exceptions they are a nice looking range of vehicles.
One that leaps out is their crosser, if you compare that to the 4007 or the mitsubishi outlander they are all based on the citroen looks far better, my opinion only, actually the crosser is well worth a test drive.
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gordonbennet.
I have read about the various weights etc of the various models of the new C5. I checked it out in Whatcar, AutoExpress (the triple test with the Ford Mondeo and Mazda 6 up against the C5)and of course Honest John's report and roadtest( I respect it as it is genuinely honest and straightforward the report). There is also a test in Autocar.
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gordonbennet.
Just looked up some kerb weights for the new C 5 saloon:
2.2 HDi Exclusive 1,720 Kg.
2.0 HDi Exclusive 1,608 Kg.
1.8i 16v VTR 1,510 Kg.
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Only trouble is Cattleman that doesn't tell us which has the hydraulics.
I'm guessing the 2.2 would have but as the diesels will be heavier anyway and i would presume as cc increases so does weight, the increases look about right to me, probably find the excusives were auto anyway.
We obviously need a direct comparison for a standard spec one with hydraulics and one without. Must admit i'm quite interested now to find out exactly how much the suspension weighs.
Is that 2.2 the same as goes in the crosser i wonder cos its certainly got some poke.
And surprisingly good on co2 emissions.
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gordonbennet.
I have been checking various tests: Honest John, Autocar, AutoExpress and 5thGear( on youtube),also of course Whatcar. Hydractive 3 +suspension on VTR. Auto and 2.2 HDI only.
Another one says that most models have the steel spring suspension; but top-spec models and autos get a hydropneumatic suspension. Another one says that Exclusive cars get hydropneumatic suspension.
I just hope that the dealers will know most of the facts.
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New Citroens seem to be better built and more reliable than the older ones. If they make this new C5 well, it really looks to be a lovely car. One must have a decent diesel engine though. I didn't realise that the top models are actually heavier than the new Mondeo. Almost the same size too.
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Wonder if they'll try and shift the stock of C6's before releasing the 2.7?
Naah... What for ?
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I've just ordered one. Gulp!
Started looking for the 1.6 HDi, but no accoustic side windows nor hydractive suspension - both essential/key reasons I'm buying a large Citiroen - , so ended up going for the Exclusive, 2.0 HDi, manual. A perfect world would be the 2.7 V6 auto, but poor mpg and much larger depreciation put me off. I may buy one of those in 3 years though, second hand for much the same as mine will then be worth.
I have bought the Navi drive too, but not the lane changing system nor the swivelling headlights. Gimicks I think, unless you do a load of B road driving at night, which I don't.
I'll report in due course on my thoughts. Delivery not till late May.
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EdV.
Well done congratulations. In one of my magazine reports,they actually recommended the one you bought. The most sensible!! It is definitely a beautiful looking car.
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Good luck EdV.
Hope you'll keep us posted with regular reports on your new car, one of the most attractive cars to come from the citroen stable for many years.
I think the 2.7 goes into top band road tax anyway, not saying it would be a problem for you of course, just mentioning.
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Good luck, EdV. I agree about going for a top trim level to get the acoustic glass, Xenons and decent suspension.
I would be tempted by a tourer (estate) when they come out as a replacement for my Merc C320CDI, A 2.7 V6 HDI auto would be nice, apart from the emissions, which rules it out for me. Funny how the same engine in the Jag XF gets emissions of 199?! I guess ideally I would go for a 2.2 HDI auto (if they made it, and emissions were under 225).
I read, in Autocar I think, that the 'proper' suspension was slightly lighter than the 407 set-up.
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