Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - squall.eu

Hello everyone,

I have a problem with very poor MPG on my Scenic. The car is 2010, still on warranty and regularly serviced.

My issue is that I'm getting only about 27MPG in urban driving, while manufacturer claims are around 47MPG for urban mode. I'm realistic about manufacturers claims but 20MPG difference seems to be a bit to much. To get this result I'm already driving like pensioner;) - very smoth acceleration and gear change around 2000rpm. I must admit, that most of my rides are really short runs, about 4 miles distance from home to work in busy Edinburgh morning and evening peaks traffic. I know that my car runs pretty much on cold engine for most of the time and it's a lot of stop-start action (on average I do this 4 miles in 15-20mins), but should it make such a huge difference on MPG?

I'm thinking of taking the car to the dealer for diagnostics and to check if there is indeed some problem, but they charge min. £90 for this even if they don't find anything :(

So I'm asking everyone for help and advise - do you thing my MPG is normal in described conditions or some fault is likely and I should take my car for warranty repair? And also, not sure if two things have anything to do with each other, when I start the car from cold it produces for short while quite a lot of white smoke from exhaust

To other owners of G.Scenics 1.5dci - what kind of fuel economy are you getting from your cars?

Thank you all for any help

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - Fernando P

The mpg quoted is typical for the short runs you are doing, especially in cold weather and when using "winter diesel". Is it satisfactory on long runs where you are driving in top gear?

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - madf

<i>. I must admit, that most of my rides are really short runs, about 4 miles distance from home to work in busy Edinburgh morning and evening peaks traffic</i>

4 miles is not enough to fully warm up a diesel when cold.

Stop/start when engine is cold is the most inefficient motoring possible.

Over 25mpg is therfore not bad.

(I would use the bus!)

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - Peter.N.

You can check it quite easily by taking it on a long steady run, doesn't have to be that long providing the engine is up to temperature and you dont thrash it.

I drive like a pensioner because I'm am and can get 60 mpg+ from my 2.0. Hdi C5 and 406 but running round locally its down in the 40's and that is in a rural area with trips seldom less than 15 miles.

Engine and ambient temperature makes quite a lot of difference to fuel consumption, I averaged about 5 mpg better coming back from Scotland last year in a temperature of 25C than I did going up at just above freezing. When driving from cold I have seen a difference of nearly 10 mpg between a cold and hot engine.

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - squall.eu

You can check it quite easily by taking it on a long steady run, doesn't have to be that long providing the engine is up to temperature and you dont thrash it.

I drive like a pensioner because I'm am and can get 60 mpg+ from my 2.0. Hdi C5 and 406 but running round locally its down in the 40's and that is in a rural area with trips seldom less than 15 miles.

Engine and ambient temperature makes quite a lot of difference to fuel consumption, I averaged about 5 mpg better coming back from Scotland last year in a temperature of 25C than I did going up at just above freezing. When driving from cold I have seen a difference of nearly 10 mpg between a cold and hot engine.

First - sorry for my "pensioner" joke- I didn't mean to offend anyone.

So you think my MPG is alright? I knew it will be lower than manufacturer quotes for urban cycle, because of my driving pattern, but I thought over 20MPG difference is a bit to much.

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - squall.eu
4 miles is not enough to fully warm up a diesel when cold.

Stop/start when engine is cold is the most inefficient motoring possible.

Over 25mpg is therfore not bad.

(I would use the bus!)

I would either, but... there is no direct bus from where I live to my workplace and to get there by bus I need to change buses twice and the jurney which normaly takes 15min by car would have taken over an hour on the bus

You're right - 4 miles it's not enough to warm up engine

Thanks for your help

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - squall.eu

Hello everyone and thank you all for your advise - it's much appreciated:)

On the long runs MPG seems to be ok, with about 53MPG cruising at 65mph and around 45MPG at motorway speeds, being gentle of course with an acceleration in both cases.

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - Cyd

most of my rides are really short runs, about 4 miles distance from home to work in busy Edinburgh morning and evening peaks traffic. I know that my car runs pretty much on cold engine for most of the time and it's a lot of stop-start action (on average I do this 4 miles in 15-20mins)

I think you've hit the nail on the head there

Have you thought about cycling that 4 miles - probably be quicker!

Hey what's with this blue line thing???

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - Peter.N.

There is about a 10 mpg difference on my Peugeot 406 between hot and cold running and that's driving in a rural area so if you consumption is good on a run it will be the kind of driving you have to do that will be causing the problem.

Modern direct injection diesels are a victim of their own success in this regard, because they are so fuel efficient they don't generate much heat and so take a long time to reach working temperature, but on long journeys they come into their own.

Don't worry over comments about pensioners, I don't mind being a pensioner - just wish I was a bit younger.

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - talkintarn

Hi everyone. I too have a similarly disappointing tale, I have a 2010 (110) 1.5dci Grand Scenic. But I will back track first... Until last November I had 1 2006 Grand Scenic 1.5 dci(100) and drive around 500 miles a week between Nottingham and Winchester, at the speed limit where possible, it was returning regularly 58mpg and driving gently I could get over 60mpg. This car reached 90k and it was time to replace it. Impressed with the 1.5dci and the versatility of the Grand Scenic I decided to opt for a used Mk3, then the choice, (106) or (110)? On paper the (110) appeared 5% more economic, and I reasoned would save on fuel and be better for the planet. I have had the car since November when it had 14k miles, it now has 20k miles. The best I have managed to achieve in mpg, on a run and really trying (60mph) is 52.8mpg. My normal run to/from Hampshire returns between 42.8 and 46.5mpg, I am truly disappointed. The local Renault dealer says this is typical. To try and improve things I have had an early 'small service', I have also just changed the Engine Air Filter (just in case) and am adding a screen over the radiator grill to see if that helps. How can the EU lab results give figures so far removed from reality?! I notice this isn't the case with the VW's generally. I do feel cheated and wish I hadn't Pex'd my last car!! Colin. PS: Will report back on progress and yes it has been around freezing recently on these journeys...

Edited by talkintarn on 23/02/2013 at 11:45

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - jc2

Manufacturers' figures are with a HOT start(20-30.C).This is nothing to do with the manufacturer but is a Government regulation.

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - madf

Winter fuel consumption on average is 10-15% worse than summer. On short journeys it may be worse: -engine in a diesel takes 3-4 miles to warm up.

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - talkintarn

Thanks. Still doesn't explain how poor the economy is compared to my MK2.. I read that I should select gears to sit around 2-2200rpm, which I've tried today, and am still seeing below 50mpg on two 40mile runs of mixed roads driving gently...

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - talkintarn

Now another 300+ miles and still less than 50mpg no matter how I drive (air con off etc). Booked in for diagnostic check on Friday with Renault...

Edited by talkintarn on 27/02/2013 at 18:57

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - talkintarn

...the diagnostic check revealed no problems and the garage managed 52mpg on a road test. Yes, I can get an indicated >60mpg if I reset the trip with a light throttle... The averages I'm comparing though are tank fulls of fuel over hundreds of miles against what I got from my 2006 1.5dci on similar journeys. Comparing both these figures against the 'published' ones. So it's back to contacting Renault themselves for an explanation...

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - talkintarn

...I am now keeping a log across a variety of journeys which I can submit to Renault for analysis. My initial thoughts are that the additional emission controls (particulate filter) really affects the Urban/Short Journey MPG, dragging the overall MPG down compared to my previous Mk2...

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - Alf_Hooker

My Mother uses a 2008 Mondeo 2.0 TDCi Estate for similar journeys to you, to and from work in heavy traffic, about 7 miles either way.

It gives 35 MPG according to the computer.

Previous car, a 2005 Renault 1.6 petrol engined grand Scenic 2 managed 29.

She was very tempted to get a newer Scenic, but went for the Mondeo. I would have expected better MPG than you are getting from this engine,

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - talkintarn

Latest update - Good News.

Now the ambient temperature is 10 deg. C warmer (12C today) and this weeks two 151 mile journeys resulted in 56MPG (Av 60MPH) and 61MPG(54MPH) - Air Con off, Cruise Control at 72MPH indicated(70MPH) when traffic allowed.

Secondly, have had a reply via my MEP from the EU President for Industry that the commission are aware of this issue and are reworking tests in line with reality to give realistic figures. Range of temperatures, driving conditions etc.

My only outstanding query with Renault is should my car have an automated temperature flap, like the old fashioned manual Summer/Winter Air Cleaner poistioning - which would make a siginificant difference...

Edited by talkintarn on 10/04/2013 at 20:18

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - squall.eu

Hi everyone,

I finally solved the problem!!! Last week I noticed I have lots of air in fuel lines, went to Renault service and got a fuel filter replaced + I also asked to replace air filter at the same time (the reason for it is that someone advised me that chocked air filters may badly affect fuel economy).

Result - no more air in fuel pipes and feels like completely different car, engine runs smoother, much better response to acceleration and the best thing fuel consumption in town went down from slightly over 30MPG at the best (pretty much no difference beetween winter and summer) to well over 40MPG now (in the same temperature range of around 20-25 degrees celcius)

So sorry, but all the talking about 25MPG in town being ok for this engine is just a bulls... NO WAY below 30MPG is ok for 1.5dci- this car in town, even on short, cold runs, should do closer to around 40MPG, otherwise something is wrong

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - Peter.N.

pleased you got it sorted or improved anyway, some engines are just not as fuel efficient as others. The early 2.0.Hdi engine I have in my C5 and 406 will driven gently on a long journey exceed 60 mpg, the 2.2 engine in the same cars only does around 40 mpg, theoretically a bigger engine should give improved consumption drive at the same power level, I tried everything including a power chip, that increased the performance but did nothing for the mpg, so I sold it and and bought the 2.0.

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - madf

So a regularly serviced Renault has a blocked air filter? And needs a new fuel filter.

Sums up my views on the company and its dealers.

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - unthrottled

So a regularly serviced Renault has a blocked air filter?

How would choked filters have any bearing on the build quality of the vehicle? I saw a Yaris driving round East Staffs. with bald tyres-comfirms my suspicions about Toyotas!!

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - squall.eu

Well,

replacement of the fuel filter isn't actually the part of service schedule, so it hasn't ever been renewed before yet. Plus you can always have a bad luck with dodgy fuel I suppose. The man at the service desk said to me, that sometimes it happens fuel filters get partially clogged with paraffin (wax), especially after the winter season. ..

About the air filter, a friend of mine who is a great mechanic told me that the specifics of the compounds used on road surfaces in UK often shorten the life of air filters dramatically. Air filter was replaced on my car before (like a year before) but I thought it might be a good idea to do it again ahead of a schedule

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - andyp24

Hello Squall,

i've done a search on the net on the fuel consumption of this car and come up with this post. I have just purchased a 60 plate 1.5 dci 110 and what you describe is almost exactly the same with the car i have. I drove it from Preston back home to Cambs at more or less 65mph all the way and couldn't better 53mpg. With this kind of driving and given the reported figures i expect over 60mpg. I consider i know how to drive economically as i could get 55mpg on the motorway at 70mph out of my previous 1.8tdci Focus. Urban consumption is just as you reported too - 30 at best.

Anyway, it seems to me it is still on its original fuel filter as i asked the dealer if the fuel filter gets changed on the service schedule and they said no, althought the air filter does. Which begs the question when does it get changed!? It can't last forever! Anyway, my question to you is, what did it cost to change the filters?

Thanks, Andy

Edited by andyp24 on 22/11/2013 at 11:43

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - rendriv22

Hi I too have just purchased a renault scenic 1.5 dci 2011. I have achieved extremely poor mpg. On a long run all moterway the best I got was about 45mpg and that was at a steady 65mph. I am very disappointed. The car has a full service history so didn't expect fuel consumption to be as bad as this. I am getting about 37mpg round town and this is not much more than my previous petrol driven car. I also wonder what it would cost to change the filters.

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - andyp24

Hi All,

interested to hear how you're all getting on with your Scenic III consumption. I haven't done anything with mine yet in the way of services and filter changes (none were or are due following purchase last Nov). I haven't event reset the avg mpg read out so my figure is an avg since November for town driving with intermittent, very gentle 20mile round trips on A roads. The reading is 42.1mpg. I'm not thrilled with this but it is very comparable to my focus tdci. What's annoying of course is how Ford claim the average for that engine is 50 while Renault claim 65, yet they work out the same when at the very least i was expecting an improvement. Perhaps if i do some of those filters there will be some improvement.

Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci (106) 2010 - Renault Grand Scenic III 1.5 dci very poor MPG - scenic 3
My petrol 1.4 tce mpg 34-37 on motoway and 29-34 round town. Had an old dci 1.5 that was very good on fuel but far to many problems to be cost effective hence the new one being a petrol..