peugeot 308 307 - Peugeot 308 - even worse than the 307? - daveyK_UK

Hi,

I spent this afternoon with a fleet manager who has 74x Peugeot 308 hatchbacks and estates in his fleet.

They vary from 59 - 12 plates.

The cars have constant problems from 'minor' items such as windscreen motors failing to more major issues such as clutch failure (often no more than 50,000 miles).

4 Simple questions,

is the 308 even more unreliable than the 307?

Do you expect Peugeot to address the ongoing reliability problems with its mid size cars with the all new 308 released later this year?

Will the new 308 ultimatly be a re-bagged, re-worked exterior C4?

I can remember my collegues 306 HDI to have gone to mega mileages, and many others did the same. What went wrong?

peugeot 308 307 - Peugeot 308 - even worse than the 307? - gordonbennet

Like most European mass produced cars, their best long term durability days were those made from the 80's to the late 90's, after that cars became increasingly reliant on computers and increasingly complex linked electronics and customers bought them by the million, look at problematic modern Diesels for the perfect example.

No i don't expect the next generation to be any better long term prospects, quite the opposite, but they will be increasingly clever, filled with all sorts of toys to tempt those who like that sort of thing, and will fulfill all your dreams on paper regarding performance and fantastic economy (not as those two will ever go together but people believe what they are told), they will cover the warranty period with relative ease, well except for clutches which arn't covered so don't need to last 100k miles.

The few exceptions to this trend are i suspect the better Japanese makers, Toyota Honda Subaru who stand by their product often long after warranty has expired, and the increasingly competent Korean makers.

peugeot 308 307 - Peugeot 308 - even worse than the 307? - unthrottled

Toyota Honda Subaru who stand by their product often long after warranty has expired,

Generally appears to be true. But didn't Subaru have problems with clutches mated to the diesel engines? Quite a few complaints given their small market share (the odd one can be attributed to abuse).

peugeot 308 307 - Peugeot 308 - even worse than the 307? - gordonbennet

Not aware of that but entirely possible.

I don't mind if a maker makes mistakes, its bound to happen now and again, its how they deal with the problem and how they look after their customers who owned the errant model thats the real test.

Did Subaru deal honourably with those problem cars?

peugeot 308 307 - Peugeot 308 - even worse than the 307? - RT

Generally appears to be true. But didn't Subaru have problems with clutches mated to the diesel engines? Quite a few complaints given their small market share (the odd one can be attributed to abuse).

The original components used wouldn't take the torque of the turbo-diesel - surprising from a manufacturer building high output twin-turbo petrol engines with enormous low down torque - and they still haven't mated their diesel to any form of automatic.

peugeot 308 307 - Peugeot 308 - even worse than the 307? - Auristocrat

As far as I'm aware, the new C4 and the forthcoming 308 share the same, existing platform - the roots of which go right back to the 306/ZX/Xsara days.

PSA models which share this or the extended version of this platform are: 307, 308, 3008, RCZ, C4, C4 II, DS4; extended - 307SW, C4 Picasso, 2008 Berlingo/Partner, 308SW, 5008, 408 (Chinese market), DS5.

Don't think PSA have the money to develop anything new by themselves - future models are supposedly going to be co-developed with GM.