Super Market Car Parks - julie page

Why is it that when I am backing out of a space in the supermarket and I am half way out, some idiot decides to squeeze past me, leaving me to slam on the brakes, or worse some pedestrian steps out into the path of my reversing car. This is true also if I decide to reverse into a space

Why is it that when I decided to park my car away from the store were there are lots of spaces (which I usually do) someone parks their car right next to mine.

Why can't operators of car park create one way systems.

Why can they not paint the lines diagnoly so driving in and out is easier

Super Market Car Parks - gordonbennet

Its always easier to reverse into a space and drive out, unfortunately that means either squeezing past the car with the trolley to the boot, or leaving the trolley at the front of the car and carrying shopping to the boot, neither particularly hard IMO but seemingly impossible for some.

Several problems with modern cars, the design of most leaves massive blind spots especially to the rear 2/3rds view, the cars are often far too big for the driver to cope with and being FWD in most cases have the turning circle of a supertanker, but the main problem seems to be the total incompetence of people to either choose a car they can cope with or learn to drive the one they bought properly.

I've seen male drivers of these huge repmobiles Mondeos and other oversized barges make a complete pigs ear of parking in normal parking spaces, its almost painful to watch and motorway service areas provide hilarious viewing, driving in forwards oblivious to the sensibility and ease of reverse parking, then trying to get a huge car with a useless lock forwards into a space with inadequate room in one shunt when its blindingly impossible, often ending up leaving the car togther with all the other poorly driven junk in the row in a herringbone pattern....i say male drivers for the reason that in most cases female drivers either have the sense to drive a car they can manage or in the cases of females in big cars are usually competent drivers.

Incidentally one of the many reasons i don't own a FWD car, apart from driving displeasure, is that RWD cars do generally have a decent steering lock and not so fashionably shaped as to be almost impossible to see out of in any direction.

Most car parks do have some sort of one way system, they obviously economically have to fit as many vehicles as possible into the available space, and back to back rowed parking is the most space effective.

Super Market Car Parks - RT

Supermarkets are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Planning regulations require a specific number of parking spaces related to the floor space of the store - which puts huge commercial pressure on the supermarket to use the smallest size spaces permitted and get as many as possible in so as to maximise their shop floor space.

What's needed is a recognition that cars are much bigger now than they were in the '40/50s when the minimum parking space sizes were defined - particularly in width.

The only reason for FWD cars having poor turning circles is poor design, not technical limitations - I drive a 7-seat SUV which is essentially fwd with a transverse engine and power take-off to the rear axle, which is reknowned for it's excellent turning circle - not as good as a London cab but up with the best of the others - a budget-priced Hyundai.

Super Market Car Parks - TeeCee

Its always easier to reverse into a space and drive out, unfortunately that means either squeezing past the car with the trolley to the boot, or leaving the trolley at the front of the car and carrying shopping to the boot, neither particularly hard IMO but seemingly impossible for some.

You can always spot a supermarket car park that's been designed by someone with intelligence rather than the usual muppets.

Pedestrian pathways between the lines of parked cars so you reverse in and your boot is next to the footpath.

Super Market Car Parks - RT

You can always spot a supermarket car park that's been designed by someone with intelligence rather than the usual muppets.

Pedestrian pathways between the lines of parked cars so you reverse in and your boot is next to the footpath.

And that stops the muppets walking up the middle of the "road" to get to their car.

But - shoppers are far more likely to leave their trolleys blocking the footpath that way.

Super Market Car Parks - Bromptonaut

Why can't operators of car park create one way systems.

Why can they not paint the lines diagnoly so driving in and out is easier

On the general point, while there's a lack of common sense and courtesy in failing to give way or walking behind people, it's the reversing drivers responsibilty to keep a look out. As GB says though modern cars with letterbox rear screens and tiny side windows don't

Station car parl was redesigned a couple of years ago to maximise spaces. One way round. It just gets ignored.

I suspect diagonals are less efficient in use of space and are effectively one way.

Super Market Car Parks - unthrottled

Why is it that when I am backing out of a space in the supermarket and I am half way out, some idiot decides to squeeze past me, leaving me to slam on the brakes.

Guilty as charged.

I think it comes down to driver attitude towards egress from a parking space. I take the view that vehicles on the road have priority and that cars emerging vehicles should wait until the pathway is clear before emerging from the parking space.

I maintain this rule and always wait patiently until the road is clear. So I do get irritated when-having waited to perform my own manoeuvre-I am made to wait when a car decides to barge its way out. The fact that the culprit is usually a large SUV that will almost invariably makes a pig's breakfast out of the manoeuvre adds to the annoyance, so I do sometimes force my way past and force them back into the space. Churlish I know.

Super Market Car Parks - julie page

Supermarkets are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Planning regulations require a specific number of parking spaces related to the floor space of the store

There are some stores that do have diagonal parking and one way system, Ikea which I visit occasionally has them.

Guilty as charged.

I think it comes down to driver attitude towards egress from a parking space. I take the view that vehicles on the road have priority and that cars emerging vehicles should wait until the pathway is clear before emerging from the parking space.

I maintain this rule and always wait patiently until the road is clear. So I do get irritated when-having waited to perform my own manoeuvre-I am made to wait when a car decides to barge its way out. The fact that the culprit is usually a large SUV that will almost invariably makes a pig's breakfast out of the manoeuvre adds to the annoyance, so I do sometimes force my way past and force them back into the space. Churlish I know.

This might be your view but you have a duty of care to other drivers.

If you have an accident you have to show the other person was negligent but if it can shown that you caused an accident because you did not stop and could have then you will find that you will be liable either fully or partly depends on the circumstances.

And if you do come across a vehicle that is manoeuvrings out of a space the road is not clear is it?

Super Market Car Parks - unthrottled

And if you do come across a vehicle that is manoeuvrings out of a space the road is not clear is it?

Well the presumption of fault would normally lie with the driver who had committed the Right of Way Violation ie the person backing out of the space!

But you're quite right, every driver has a duty of care to take every reasonable precaution against causing an accident.

But, like an indicator, a reversing light only expresses a wish to perform a manoeuvre, it does not give one right of way.

Super Market Car Parks - Hamsafar

I don't think the OPs question is a legal or rules-based one, it is a question about the lack of common courtesy. I must admit if someone is going much too slowly, I don't wait.

Super Market Car Parks - unthrottled

I only responded because I've noticed this situation becoming increasingly common-but from the opposite perspective.

Obviously, every rule is there to be broken-sometimes you have to nudge your way out, or perhaps a driver may waive their right of way.

But barging out of a space and expecting other people to wait!! Sorrry, but I'll creep forward to make the manoeuvre as awkward as possible. Cutting my nose off because it means that I have to wait three times as long! Ah! when principle comes into the room, common sense goes out of the window...

Super Market Car Parks - greenhey

Most supermarkets DO operate a one-way system, but that is ignored by a lot of users.

I frequently back out of a space assuming I know where rear traffic will be, only to encounter someone coming the "wrong way".

Super Market Car Parks - Engineer Andy

Using the "herring bone" layout would be best for safety - not only does it facilitate ingress/egress from spaces, it helps drivers on the road see the car backing out and would (by virtue of the directionality of the spaces' layout) encourage flow only in on direction. To be honest most car parks are very poorly laid out - what is most useful if they have have separate entrance and exits to direct traffic exiting the car park away from the entrance (often the cause of grid lock).

As has been said, the reduction to ridiculously small sizes for the spaces and the lack of provision for over-sized vehicles (and penalties for bad parking/in the wrong area) don't help either. Most car parks (especially supermarkets) have no provision for vans and lorries, who often pop in to get some lunch and have a break (this happens a lot at my local Tesco - they park up over several spaces and really get in the way.

Councils need to really get their act together to make this work. Too often they appear to be "best buddies" with the shop/car park developer/owner who just want to squeeze as many people into them as possible - mainly because they can them blame "bad drivers" or each other ("council rules" for numbers of spaces, or "greedy firms" for poor layouts to make "more profits"). This cannot be bad for the insurers, as they would never make a loss on the extra payouts in this area, hence why they don't complain (IMHO their stance that they mostly lose money on motor insurance is a BIG LIE).

Whenever a council is looking at a new development, we all need to make representations to them in this regard, otherwise they do nothing because most councillors (like most politicians) have little knowledge of the real world and care more about being in power, rather than serving the needs of the public.

Super Market Car Parks - Bilboman

I can only think that valet parking is the answer to supermarket car parking madness.
Some attempts at improvements to car parks I have seen near where I live (and their consequences):
Red and green lights (blue for disabled) above underground parking bays to indicate availability. Result: drivers shooting down lanes the wrong way to grab the nearest slot to the entrance and occasionally squabbling over them.
Long "zebra crossings" between rows of parking bays, encouraging reverse parking and facilitating unloading straight into the boot. Guess what? Those SUV drivers who have no idea how long their cars are park as far back as they can and block the crossing. The supermarket subsequently placed plastic bollards to "limit" the encroachment of cars (brilliant design, barely a metre tall and invisible to the driver), and most of them, predictably, have now been squashed flat. The ones that are still standing get in the way of the bootlid and defeat the purpose entirely. Back to square one.
Dedicated parking spaces near the entrance for disabled, parents-with-children and now electric charging points. All of them ignored, leading to a total free-for-all.
One thing that does seem to work in Spain is home delivery: shoppers can whizz round and fill the trolley, pay on the spot plus a small delivery charge and then have their groceries delivered at home within a time "window". This is true of large out of town hypermarkets, most of which have good bus routes, as well as small neighbourhood shops and is a boon to pre- and post-Internet shoppers who prefer to see and choose fresh produce rather than clicking on a screen. (Medium to large supermarkets in Spain all have an in-store fishmonger and butcher, too.)

Super Market Car Parks - jamie745

People are stupid. My mother brought me up to not walk in the path of a moving vehicle because cars are big hard things and humans are little squishy things.

People park forwards in supermarkets so as they can get to the boot when they come out of the shop with a trolley-load of tat. Supermarkets either put little trees or stupid posts in the way of your boot if you park backwards so you have little choice.

People can see the car is reversing. It's got lights. It's in motion. It's pretty clear. Anybody still stupid enough to walk behind it deserves to be flattened. We're overpopulated as it is.

Super Market Car Parks - Ed V

I tink we all benefit in car parks [as opposed to the 'open' road, if we let others out first, so I rather assume normal road rules are reversed. Sorry unthrottled.

Super Market Car Parks - unthrottled

No worries! We reverse normal road rules in busy traffic anyway.

Super Market Car Parks - Ethan Edwards

What is it with cluster parking ?

Nearly empty car park. I choose a far away corner so that I don't get inconsiderate people dinging my car with their doors.

Come back to a again a nearly empty car park cept I now have somone parked really close to me. Why do people do that? Is it some kind of safety in numbers thing? Do they think their car will feel lonely if it isn't crammed up against mine?

I just vant it to be alone! Which is why I parked way way away from the cluster near the ped exit.

I suppose the answer is to 'accidentally' badly park at an acute angle in the space to make sure the next door peeps will keep their distance.

Super Market Car Parks - Engineer Andy

What is it with cluster parking ?

Nearly empty car park. I choose a far away corner so that I don't get inconsiderate people dinging my car with their doors.

Come back to a again a nearly empty car park cept I now have somone parked really close to me. Why do people do that? Is it some kind of safety in numbers thing? Do they think their car will feel lonely if it isn't crammed up against mine?

I just vant it to be alone! Which is why I parked way way away from the cluster near the ped exit.

I suppose the answer is to 'accidentally' badly park at an acute angle in the space to make sure the next door peeps will keep their distance.

Sounds like you're angry in the same way that people are on almost trains/buses when someone decides to sit next to you, rather than in an empty space. The weird thing is that my Dad always wants the space nearest the shop, even if its a tight space, yet my Mum will travel through several spaces into empty areas to get a space she can easily drive into, ending up about 200m away from the shop entrance. I just pick the easiest space within reasonable distance of the shop to get in/out of that won't be a target for the less conscientious driver - half the time you see people endlessly driving around for ages trying to find "the perfect space".

Super Market Car Parks - unthrottled

half the time you see people endlessly driving around for ages trying to find "the perfect space".

My father does this!

I automatically go to the far end of the car park where it is least busy and you've got a good chance of finding a double space end-to-end so you can enter and exit with only one clutch depression.

Super Market Car Parks - jamie745

so you can enter and exit with only one clutch depression.

Bet you're a riot at dinner parties.

Super Market Car Parks - unthrottled

Absolutely. There's a riot to the door.

The going in and out forwards is just laziness. I find manoeuvreing (sp?) cars really depressing.

Super Market Car Parks - primeradriver

My word, what a thread.

OP commits a HC breach (HC rule 201) by reversing onto a highway from a parking spot, and gets irate because others exercise their legitimate right of way.

You couldn't make it up. You'll cause an accident one day OP and I will have no sympathy for you whatsoever.

Edited by primeradriver on 30/10/2012 at 13:44

Super Market Car Parks - julie page

Hmmm, HC rule 201 does not cover car parks and in any case reversing out of a parking bay in a private car park is not reversing onto a high way.

It is not always possible to reverse into a space or to see what is coming when reversing out.

Others do not have a legitimate right to come zooming up and 30mph, when the road was clear when I started my manoeuvre, ignore dangers because you think you have a right of way.

Your the one primeradriver likely to cause an accident and be liable



Super Market Car Parks - unthrottled

HC rule 201 does not cover car park

I'm pretty sure that the rule is applied when determining RoW and liability in the event of an accident.

It is not always possible to reverse into a space or to see what is coming when reversing out.

No, but it is possible to halt a manoeuvre once you have determined that there is a vehicle approaching.

I just don't nderstand the mentality of emerging from a space, seeing an approaching vehicle and then proceding to back out into path of that vehicle with the expectation that the other vehicle should see you, stop, and wait patiently for you. I wait for a time gap before emerging and expect others to do the same!

when the road was clear when I started my manoeuvre

Aisles in car parks are usually straight, so in most cases it should be possible to see if there is sufficient time to complete a manoeuvre before commiting to it.

Super Market Car Parks - Ethan Edwards

As a recipient of numerous ding and dash without leaving a note (one on a car a week old) yep you bet I'm angry. Homicidally angry.

Let's just say if I saw the offence being committed then someone would be certainly be made aware of their actions and rue the day.

Super Market Car Parks - Smileyman

Soon after I learnt to drive I had a very lucky escape. Whilst backing out of a parking space one dark wet evening a child ran past my car. It was my late grandfather's SAAB 99, the car did not have a rear window wiper or heated rear window, and this window was wet and misted up so my visability was almost non-existant. Of course, children do not know the significance of reversing lights (two of them, as this was before the hated one sided rear lights became so popular) so he or she just continued to run to their destination.

I did stop in time, and had a very frank conversation with the child's parents. I was lucky, and from this time until now (over 30 years) I always back into parking bays and drive out forwards. I also only select cars with rear window wipers.

Super Market Car Parks - Engineer Andy

Thes days you'd be lucky to get away with that - quite a lot of "parents" would take offence to your opinion and clock you one (I saw it happen in my local Tesco car park). Nice country we live in!

Super Market Car Parks - Bromptonaut

I live in a cul de sac with a turning bell at end. Only logical approach to my drive is to go past and reverse in.

As it's also a quiet dead end road we also postively encourage kids to treat it as a play street.

Never mind the parents. I approach the kids directly and point out that white lights at rear mean car is giong to go backwards.

Nil feedback from parents and wouldn't expect it.