Cycle dynamos now illegal - frostbite
Another splendid bit of EU law comes into force in the UK today (anywhere else enforcing it ?).

Those with nothing better to do have decided that cycles fitted with dynamos are dangerous because the light goes out when they stop!

Personally, I would have thought that displaying any form of illumination on a bike was commendable these days!
Cycle dynamos now illegal - M.M
Didn't posh bikes of the 1950s have a battery holder (2x U2s?) in with the setup so you did have light at a standstill.

MM
Cycle dynamos now illegal - Phil I
Most serious cyclists who do ride when its dark now use heavy duty rechargeable batteries powering really good halogen lamp/lamps back and front. They are disguised as water bottle shapes and carried in the bottle cage mounted on one of the down tubes. When you get back home just take off bottle(aka battery) plug into charger and hey presto let there be light. Battery lasts about 3 years. Bulbs (expensive) only about six months.

Happy Motoring & Cycling (tho not in the snow) Phil I
Cycle dynamos now illegal - No Do$h
Bulbs (expensive) only about six months.


Try www.maplin.co.uk They tend to be a lot cheaper for replacement bulbs than most bike shops.
No Dosh - but then who has?
Cycle dynamos now illegal - No Do$h
Does this mean that the ridiculous situation that makes highly visible, long lasting LED bike lights illegal whilst "normal" lights (which eat batteries and are prone to failing at every pothole) are legal could change?

Your highly visible, fully reflective and suitably helmeted cyclist,
No Dosh - but then who has?
Cycle dynamos now illegal - Phil I
Not as far as I know NoDosh. Mine is Canadian set had as pressie a few Christmas ago. Strange - I bought electric door locks from Maplins never thought of them as supplier for halogen bulbs.

Thanks.
Phil I
Cycle dynamos now illegal - Obsolete
Where I live I see hundreds of cyclists in the dark, and it is rare to see one with lights, even on unlit country roads. I sometimes see a cyclist coming towards me on the wrong side of the road without lights and in dark clothing.

I used to shout 'get some lights if you want to live' but there's too many of them to bother.

Banning dynamos does make sense to me, though those funny flashing lights seem just as useless.
Cycle dynamos now illegal - Dave_TD
Same situation here, all the cyclists round my way must think they're driving in South Africa!!! From what Ian tells us of the habits out there. I've often thought of opening a shop selling bicycle lights here, as there obviously isn't one.
Cycle dynamos now illegal - Baskerville
Good quality dynamo systems (mostly made in Germany) have a "standlight" that operates--by magic, presumably--for a couple of minutes after the dynamo stops delivering current. Most new bicycles for daily use (i.e. almost anything but full-on race bikes) in the rest of Europe are sold with this kind of dynamo fitted, whereas bikes in this country do not come with any kind of lights as standard. In the early 1980s it became compulsory for bicycle manufacturers to fit front and rear reflectors, as well as wheel reflectors, to new bikes. This only affected the UK because in the rest of Europe it was already standard practice. Based on my bicycling travels on this fair continent, the kind of dynamo system this law makes illegal is, as far as I can tell, only available in Britain. So I doubt it is a question of policing this law in continental countries.

Chris
Cycle dynamos now illegal - slefLX
those funny flashing
lights seem just as useless.


You must be at least partly right because i remember reading somewhere (don't know where) that those flashing lights are illegal on their own - if you have flashing red lights on the back you must also have static red as well.
Cycle dynamos now illegal - Pete
I remember reading in one of the tabloids a couple of years ago, that a chap was taken to the Magistrates Court because he had a flashing LED rear light only. It seems that, under the terms of some legislation or other, the LED rearlight is illegal if it is permanently fixed to the bike but OK if only clipped on and removable ( as any snotty nosed little erk will be only too happy to do for you given the chance )

To his credit the Magistrate stated, that as the flashing LED light was more likely to gain the attention of other roadusers than the standard tail light, he considered it to be a boon to road safety and he threw the case out of court.

It was not made clear, if the cyclist had a standard tail light on at the same time. Does this not set a precedent?

Does anyone else recall seeing this item please?

Rgds, Pete. petel@clara.co.uk
Cycle dynamos now illegal - wemyss
Yes they were the really up market ones with the dynamo in the front hub and the batteries mounted on the frame.
The ordinary hobbledehoy (I do like that word) had the type where the dynamo was mounted on the rear down stays and you flicked it over to allow a little rubber wheel to drop onto the tyre.
Witht he amount of extra pedalling power they needed it should have lit half of Blackpool.
Cycle dynamos now illegal - Rich Mixture
Sad git that I am, I have in my possession (a gift from a previous neighbour) a pristine 1936 copy of "Newnes Every Cyclists Handbook" by F.J Camm. This is an absolute gem of a book and tells us that:

"There are those who pin their faith to the oil lamp and others who swear by acetylene lighting, but taking the majority, the electrical form of illumination holds full sway, be it by dry-cell battery or dynamo generating set".

"The popular-priced dynamo set manufactured by H.Miller & Co. of Aston Brook Street in Birmingham is their No.576VR, which gives a 5.8 candlepower illumination at 11mph, generating 6V and 3.5W. A pilot bulb is supplied for dimming and can be used in conjunction with the stand-by battery for parking purposes".

Other major UK dynamo manufacturers/suppliers in 1936 included:
Lamps (Birmingham) Ltd
Bluemel Bros of Coventry
L. Wilkinson (the 'Wilko' model) of Finsbury London
Bates Bros. Barking Road London

Most of these dynamo sets seemed to offer combinations of parking lights and main and dip beams (I have beautiful line drawings of them all!) so these facilities seemed to be pretty standard back then.

They don't publish books like that anymore :-)

RM
Cycle dynamos now illegal - Tom Shaw
Frostbite,

Are you sure about the change of law, or is it just one of these EU myths? The cycling press have not commented on any change, and I would have thought it would have been controversial enough to headline if true.
Cycle dynamos now illegal - THe Growler
If these pimply seat-warmer government jerks want to make a real contribution: ban cyclists altogether........
Cycle dynamos now illegal - Micky
Growler, are you flaming again ............ or just trolling?
Cycle dynamos now illegal - THe Growler
Lo, my bow shoots straight, and my quiver is indeed full of the arrows of truth.


Cycle dynamos now illegal - Micky
As the fletcher whittles and makes straight his arrows, so the master directs his straying thoughts.
Cycle dynamos now illegal - THe Growler
Damn, I thought I'd just invented a new haiku.....
Cycle dynamos now illegal - Micky
Careful Growler, you're overstepping the mark here, there's no place for culture on this rufty-tufty motoring forum..........
Cycle dynamos now illegal - frostbite
Frostbite,
Are you sure about the change of law, or is it
just one of these EU myths? The cycling press have not
commented on any change, and I would have thought it would
have been controversial enough to headline if true.


It appeared on Teletext yesterday - other than that, I have no knowledge.
Cycle dynamos now illegal - J Bonington Jagworth
"..is it just one of these EU myths?"

It shouldn't be difficult for a body that can make the selling of a pound of bananas illegal. Next up, herbal medicines...
Cycle dynamos now illegal - Toad, of Toad Hall.
Meanwhile the govt are happy for people to buy 1/8ths of Weed.

It's a weird country.
--
These are my own opinions, and not necessarily those of all Toads.
Cycle dynamos now illegal - THe Growler
Growlette says I'm too hard on these guys and that everyone's into something. I said what did she mean, she said well I suppose luminous lycra does something for some people and live and let live.

........outta here

Growler


Cycle dynamos now illegal - No Do$h
Luminous Lycra works for me. For a start it gives the moron driving straight at me a couple of seconds extra to decide whether to:

a) just hit me anyway
b) swerve at the last moment whilst hurling abuse at me for not paying road tax (and they know this for fact because?)
c) turn left immediately after overtaking me

It also shows up the blood stains quite nicely, which helps in securing an ambulance.

Over the last 4 years I've been knocked off my bike whilst commuting 3 times. In each instance I was lit up like the proverbial, only to be met with "sorry, didn't see you" x2 and "look what you've done to my car you (deleted to save Mark the effort)" x1

Each time it involved me travelling along a main road with the motorist joining from my left.

I now grab the brakes if I can't make eye-contact with any drivers joining the traffic from any direction, although people with a squint can be a challenge.

Any suggestions on how to become more visible would be gratefully received.



No Dosh - but then who has?
Cycle dynamos now illegal - Phil I
No Dosh : you should know by now that a large proportion of UK drivers have no perception of anything let alone a cyclist. Akin to navigators of ships in the English Channel. I used to commute to the office 17m each way from one side of Birmingham to the other, at one point going around the roundabout below the Gravelly Hill Interchange (aka Spaghetti) . In eight years only knocked off 3times. 2x didnt see you mate. (presumably totally blind) 1x didnt stop to say anything (white van man in a hurry from the rear) so no advice on increasing visibility . Let your watchword be total vigilance.

Happy Motoring & Cycling Phil I
Cycle dynamos now illegal - J Bonington Jagworth
"Any suggestions on how to become more visible would be gratefully received"

There was an inventor on the box before Christmas who had designed a cycle light that shone some of its output back onto the chest of the rider. Wouldn't help much in a rear-end shunt, though, I guess...
Cycle dynamos now illegal - No Do$h
There was an inventor on the box before Christmas who had
designed a cycle light that shone some of its output back
onto the chest of the rider. Wouldn't help much in a
rear-end shunt, though, I guess...


Not a bad idea. Perhaps a small light facing back towards me on the handlebars with the top masked off to stop me being dazzled.

Never have a problem from the back as wear a scotchlite Sam-Browne with 2 flashing and one solid red light clipped on, coupled with 2 solid lights on the rear of the bike.

The problem seems to be visibility from a 45 degree offset from the front, which would be helped by the light you describe illuminating the Sam Browne.

No Dosh - but then who has?
Cycle dynamos now illegal - Phil I
How did you guess JBJ / See todays Teletext . Just another euro myth promulgated by some eurosceptic nerd

Keep filling the hubcaps with British Wine !!!!

Happy Motoring Phil I
Cycle dynamos now illegal - J Bonington Jagworth
"Just another euro myth"

Well, possibly, but we seem to be the only EU country that takes Brussels seriously, hence the pound of bananas problem. Most members (especially the French) just ignore the rules they don't like!
Cycle dynamos now illegal - Mark (RLBS)
It may well be a new EU law, but its been a UK law for a long time, like 20 years or so, that dynamo driven lights alone are insufficient.
Cycle dynamos now illegal - Dwight Van Driver
Cannot find anything banning dynamos etc in any amendment reg to the Lighting regs.

Of note and as I understood it:

tinyurl.com/4fix

HMG are about to publish requirements in respect of bells/brakes on bikes. Some disappointment that in the consultations that a requirement was not made for bikes to be fitted with lights when new and first purchased.

DVD
are bells illegal too ? - borasport20

because I can't remember the last time I saw/heard a bicycle bell

And as somebody who likes to occasionally move under my own steam www.mikes-walks.co.uk I can tell you it is extremely unsettling to be walking down a steep and icy hill path to have some mountain biker go steaming past you at a rate of knots.


I have to grow old - but I don't have to grow up
are bells illegal too ? - Baskerville
But that has nothing to do with bells, and everything to do with not showing respect for others. I doubt having a bell fitted would make the mountainbiker you describe change his/her habits[1]. As for safety, I find a loud "Oi You!" lets people know where I am far better than any bell. In traffic these days you can hardly hear anything over the noise of petrol engines in their final evolutionary death-throes.

Chris

[1] Although it would depend where the bell was fitted.
are bells illegal too ? - Phil I
Find Air Horn purchased from Marine Chandlers works for me. Bells not heard at all in todays traffic conditions.

Happy Motoring Phil I
are bells illegal too ? - No Do$h
Fantastic idea....

Now, that's one water bottle holder for a bottle, one for the battery for my unfeasibly bright lights and one for an airhorn.

May as well use the car!
No Dosh - but then who has?
are bells illegal too ? - borasport20
Phil

I can assure you that when two mountain bikers whizzed past my elbows unnanounced at a rate of knots on the descent of Dunsop fell on sunday afternoon, there was no traffic noise, the nearest road being several miles away


I have to grow old - but I don't have to grow up
are bells illegal too ? - Phil I
Bora : Don't start me off about mountain bikers. All the years I & others spent building bridges with other users of countryside shot to bits in no time at all. We all now get tarred with same brush. Still life goes on and so must we all.

Happy Motoring & Cycling (safely if poss) Phil I
mountanbike crimes - No Do$h
Sulking now. I'm a (hushed voice) mountain biker.

The trouble with bells is that there is no way they can be mounted so that you can effectively brake and sound a warning simultaneously. I've found a polite but loud "excuse me" whilst braking to walking pace followed by an equally clear "thank you" as I pass has done wonders for bike/walker relations in the Purbecks. Even had walkers come up to me in the pub afterwards to comment on it.




No Dosh - but then who has?
mountanbike crimes - Phil I
As Punch used to say " thats the way to do it" (in very high pitched voice). Unfortunately we are now a very small minority - not to worry we'll keep trying.

Bfn Phil I
Cycle dynamos now illegal - TRW

Cycle Dynamos, some years ago, were required by Law to have a Hard, Solid Red lamp to accompany the Dymamo Rear Red Lamp. The reason was because the Tail Lamp went out if the bicycle was stopped. Eveready provided many additional Tail Lamps which require 2x U2 Batteries (D cells as they are now called) Nothing about the Front Lamp at the time.

I don't know if the Law has been changed since.

Generally Laws, these days are not fully enforced, for example Parking of Cars. Some weird & wonderful devices, such as parking lights were used. The Highway code still says that cars should be parked overnight facing the normal direction of traffic flow & reflectors were fitted the the rear of motor vehicles to reflect back road users lights etc.

I remember this well as one Christmas time, my father-in law was finned, because he was on thw wrong side of the Street, along with about forty others parked up for the night. In fact only about four people were correctly parked in his Street.

To-day you are most likely to be run over by a bicycle when walking along a foot path. In King Street, South Shields there is a Paved zone running all the way along fron Anderson Street to the Market Place. This has in many places the Standard NO Cycling sign in a few places (White Backgraoung with Outer Red Ring & bicycle shown in blach. The Street incidentally Is One Way only, Ha Ha. Ive Seen Police Cars & Police Cyclists travelling in the wrong direction along this (No Cycling Street). I've even walked, deliberately Walked in Front of a Police car travelling in the wrong direction down this Street, until he honked his horn. Whereupon I asked him why he was going the wrong way down the Street. He only Glared at me. I could understand if he had his blue lights flashing or sirens blaring. I appears to me that the Police are not required to enforce the Law, but break it to suit themselves.

TRW

Cycle dynamos now illegal - Armitage Shanks {p}

Is a 10 year gap between consecutive posts a record of some sort?

Cycle dynamos now illegal - Avant

Welcome to the forum, TRW. You're more than welcome to revive old threads: certainly that's the longest gap I've seen between fade-out of a thread and resurrection.

Cycle dynamos now illegal - 1litregolfeater

How dare they.

Cycle dynamos now illegal - 1litregolfeater

They should be compulsory for all 10-18 cyclists during the hours of darkness.

When I was about 10 I lusted after a dynamo, it was the height of technology and the epitome of luxury.

Freed of carbon cell worry I could roam the neighbourhood seeing what others couldn't and without the fear a cop would tell me off.

I must have been going on 11 when my dad had saved up enough money to buy me a second hand dynamo set off one of his mates.

It did work the bike lights at 30mph or with a good tail wind. All other times it was a massive drag, it did last a couple of weeks. And it wore out my tyre.

Technology eh. Tell me about it.

Cycle dynamos now illegal - Bromptonaut

Generators are a bit old tech now tbh though modern versions usually include a back up cell or capacitor so lights stay on a couple of minutes after you stop.

LED lights are much better than the Miller dynamo and 6v TF bulb I had a teen. My cateye opticube gives more and whiter light and eats its four AA cells pretty slowly. The rear LED will go nearly all winter on a pair of AAA.

Don't like the modern trend for flashing bike lights though. Hell's delight trying to 'fix' their speed and direction of travel amongst central London traffic.

Cycle dynamos now illegal - Smileyman

Lucky you, around this part of Kent cyclist don't seem to bother with lights at all. I worry there will be an accident one day, and of course the cyclist always gets injured.

Cycle dynamos now illegal - Bilboman

I wonder what the Eurocrats would make of this superb (BRITISH) invention! tinyurl.com/broh9hk

The problem with most Continental jurisdictions (and of course the EU is heavily influenced by those, don't we know it?) is that anything newly invented is presumed illegal until it's made legal, whereas our liberal British legal tradition is pretty much the other way around.