BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept

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Thu 13 Sep 2012 16:32
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - meldrew

I saw this programme last night by chance but it was rivetting! First bit was about keyless entry BMW's being stolen regularly with a device you plug into the system that reprograms a blank key. Have to say I was somewhat confused by the fact that the alarms don't go off when a window is smashed. I need to check if a Krooklock still fits modern steering wheels!

Next part was awesome - shady used car dealers in Brentford selling absolute rubbish for excessive prices. Lost a bit of credibility as the reporter paid cash without a test drive or seeing the V5. Does however make me wonder why criminal charges are not brought against some of these people.

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Thu 13 Sep 2012 16:42
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - pd
Does however make me wonder why criminal charges are not brought against some of these people.

They work for the BBC so the police are too scared to prosecute them.

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Thu 13 Sep 2012 19:11
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - Collos25

German TV showed all types of premium cars been stolen without keys and trackers turned off how on earth would such a large number and its in many thousands a year european wide be stolen only to end up ar parts or complete vehicles in other countries.

It took less than a minute to steal a new RR ,BMW and DB using apparently equipment that easily and cheaply bought on the internet although they did not show what or where.

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Thu 13 Sep 2012 19:28
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - SteveLee

EU competition laws mean that the interfaces to key systems must be made available (in order that aftermarket diagnostic devices etc may be developed) this information has been used to crack the keyless security systems for many modern cars.

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Thu 13 Sep 2012 19:52
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - Collos25

The way it was shown on German TV they just stood near the vehicle trapped the rolling ecu code which allowed the doors to be opened the ignition lock disarmed and they drove off.

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Thu 13 Sep 2012 20:03
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - unthrottled

It's hardly a news story. I'm glad that the key interfaces are available to aftermarket companies. Monopolies are more dangerous than criminals. If you think stealing a car is easy, just go and pinch yourself something nice-and one for me too. :)

It's still way harder and slower than hot wiring. We got used to the idea of immobilisers being impregnable-no lock is impregnable. Car theft without a key is still-thankfully-quite rare.

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Thu 13 Sep 2012 21:05
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - coopshere
It may not be new news but is of interest if you are thinking of buying a so called premium model that has a keyless system. The equipment used by the BBC, although freely available, is not cheap; apart from genuine motor repairers only the professional criminals will be buying it. The bottom line here is that insurers should now be fully aware of the frailties of keyless systems and be loading the policies accordingly so that when sales fall because punters don't want to loose their pride and joy so easily the manufacturers take note and revert to a more secure system. Remember also that it is EU legislation that made the the equipment freely available to the criminals and not the individual car manufacturers.
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Thu 13 Sep 2012 21:20
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - unthrottled

but is of interest if you are thinking of buying a so called premium model that has a keyless system.

No it isn't. If you think that a keyless car is any easier to start than a key system, you're mistaken. Any lock (mechanical or electronic )can be defeated by a determined enough thief. If the thought of theft is too painful to bear, the only antidote is to buy an undesirable car.

It's just typical media hype attempting to portray a major scoop.

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Thu 13 Sep 2012 21:49
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - Collos25

"Car theft without a key is still-thankfully-quite rare"

Here in Dresden like many German cities its reached eperedemic proportions the local rag says it averages around 12 a day thats a lot of vehicles over a year I think its because we are very near two borders.

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Thu 13 Sep 2012 23:43
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - coopshere
"No it isn't. If"

Yes it is. Obviously any determined thief with the know how can defeat any type of locking mechanism of any type given the time. The difference here is that it can be done in a very short period of time, silently and without causing any damage to the vehicle except maybe an easily replaced piece of glass. This means it can be moved quickly, possibly to another country, with the minimum of effort and maximum profit.

Although compared to car key burglaries this is currently still in the minority of car thefts it is on the increase for the so called prestige car.
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Fri 14 Sep 2012 00:49
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - unthrottled

If you start from a low baseline then fractional growth is often very rapid-and often unsustainable. It is the absolute number of cars being stolen that matters. I saw the CCTV footage of a black BMW being stolen and it didn't look like a quick or silent method of taking a vehicle. Compared to all the other more likely fates to befall your pride and joy, it's as well to be aware of keyless theft, but let's keep things in perspective.

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Fri 14 Sep 2012 10:34
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - injection doc

I'm more interested in what the insurance companies are going to say with regards to claims that have failed as some insurance companies claim cars cannot be stolen without the key's !

Very good friend of mine was never paid out for the very same reason so i watch with interest.

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Fri 14 Sep 2012 18:35
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - Collos25

The disklock can be removed by any well respecting car thief in around 10 secs according to Autobild and the ADAC.

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Sat 15 Sep 2012 09:33
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - Collos25

I looked myself quickly on PHs where I saw three posts with photographs of non professional removing the disklok plus a MOD engineer who could remove them but no graphics.If thief wants a car then he will take it no matter what even if he helicopters it away.

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Sat 15 Sep 2012 10:28
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - SteveLee

The first generation BMW X5 keyless system was easy to override, a PSION Series 5 or any equivilant with a IR port and a bit of simple software was all that was required to steal them, you could follow the car, and grab the last rolling code when the owners locks it - the randomiser wasn't random so the next number could be predicted, play the code back with the new rolling digit and hey prestro - one ready to drive car at the press of a button.

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Mon 17 Sep 2012 17:01
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - Zuave

Disklok - I tried searching ADAC in the tests area but could find nothing for Disklok.

www.adac.de/infotestrat/tests/default.aspx

Also autobild

www.autobild.de/suche/?q=disklok

google.de provided litlle for Disklok testen or Disklok überprüfen.

Rgds

Zuave.

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Mon 17 Sep 2012 17:55
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - KB.

I have two Diskloks so would be as interested as the next bloke to see what ADAC and AutoBild had to say about them.

Collos 25, I be grateful to you if you would share the links that you've seen showing how easily they can be defeated as I've alway placed quite a lot of faith in them. Thanks.

Obviously I realise that an angle grinder would make short work of one but I guess we all realise that. If there's a simple way round them I'm happy to see the references to it, whilst not actually giving the game away, of course.

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Mon 17 Sep 2012 18:12
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - Collos25

Look on PHs

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Fri 1 Feb 2013 08:54
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - beenscammed

BEWARE of these SCAMMERS

*** China Century Technolgy's / CCSST / ccss.net ***

I've bought a scanner of them and it doesn't work.

I sent the Hard Drive back to them for repair and 4 months later (after constant request) they sent it back in the same condition - not working.

They were great at selling, and when you want any help they just do not answer.

Phone calls are useless as no-one speaks Enlglish.

A total waste of money, and a whole lot of lies from these sellers:

Alice

Jay

Anna Lee

All dodgy.

Aparently Alice was fired a few months ago from the company (according to Jay), but she still managers to sent emails today.

Here's some of there dodgy contact info:

auto204@reliablediag.com

ccssit.alice@hotmail.com

Address: R404,Jinzhoujiali Garden,Shibei Road,Bantian,Buji,Longgang District,Shenzhen City,China,Post code: 518129 Anna Lee 0086 755 28703107 0086 13760152541 Anna Lee China Century Technology Co.,ltd Address: R404,Jinzhoujiali Garden,Shibei Road,Bantian,Buji,Longgang District,Shenzhen City,China,Post code: 518129 Tel: 86-755-28703107 Fax:86-755-89374672 Email: auto268@reliablediag.com auto202@reliablediag.com MSN: anna_carscanner@hotmail.com Skype: anna_carscanner Website: www.ccssit.cn www.reliablediag.com

MSN:ccssit.alice@hotmail.com SKYPE:ccssitalice www.ccssit.cn www.advanced-diagnostics.com.cn www.ccssit.net

ccssit1011@hotmail.com

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Fri 21 Sep 2012 13:09
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - Collos25

If you want to steal a car do you really think hand on hard a bit of metal on a steering wheel would deter a professional car theft gang from taking a car because if you do you would believe anything..

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Fri 21 Sep 2012 22:26
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - Avant

"If you want to steal a car do you really think hand on hard a bit of metal on a steering wheel would deter a professional car theft gang from taking a car because if you do you would believe anything."

You're right - it won't if the thief wants that particular car. But a joy-rider or any thief just wanting a car might be put off by the steering wheel lock and move on to the next car which hasn't got one. That's my hope - in full awareness that the car's own locks are superior to that on my Stoplock.

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Fri 21 Sep 2012 10:08
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - Leif
It's still way harder and slower than hot wiring. We got used to the idea of immobilisers being impregnable-no lock is impregnable. Car theft without a key is still-thankfully-quite rare.

Apparently not: "BMW doesn't seem to want to admit they have a problem, even though over 300 cars have been stolen in March 2012 in a single UK county."

See here:

www.networkworld.com/community/blog/high-tech-car-...s

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Fri 21 Sep 2012 11:17
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - unthrottled

Can't find a source for that 300 number.

3 minutes is quite a long time to steal a car.

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Fri 21 Sep 2012 17:53
BBC Watchdog - 12th Sept - Bobbin Threadbare

Gone in 60 Seconds......

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