Volkswagen Passat, skoda octavia, - Which car for a regular 900mile round trip? - rodgie

I am about to return to eduction down near Falmouth, 450 miles from my home in the North East of England - mostly motorways (390miles). Now when I decided to do this I was simply going to live there because of the distance. Things have changed, as they invariably do, and my aprtner is due to give birth in January. Add in moving house the next few weeks - things are not ideal but are very exciting!

I want to buy a car so I can make the long trek North as often as possible to help her out, move, be there when the baby is born. Originally I was gonna get a sub-£1000 as this is what I have always done. I have the money to spend more and am thinking it may be worth it for the comfort - so I can enjoy my time at home more. Rather than being tired. So, opinions on a sub £4000 car for a long (hopefully weekly) jaunt. I am thinking diesel will be sensible as I will be looking at around 20k miles in the year. My mate (mechanic) keeps touting VW PAssats as something to look into. I have seen Forcus 1.6 TDCi Zetec which claim 70mpg extra urban...myth or reality? And how are they for a long time on the motorway?

Volkswagen Passat, skoda octavia, - Which car for a regular 900mile round trip? - sandy56

Fot that sort of money any car would be a gamble. The 1.9 PD Passat would be a good buy but now they are mainly old and tired. You will be lucky to find a good one.

Alternatives I can suggest-Ford Mondeo, , Toyota Avensis, Honda Accord/CIvic, Puegeot 406/407. Your choice will be dictated by condition and service history not by the badge.

Volkswagen Passat, skoda octavia, - Which car for a regular 900mile round trip? - Falkirk Bairn

450 miles each way - BUS or TRain

Volkswagen Passat, skoda octavia, - Which car for a regular 900mile round trip? - rodgie

I am used to taking the bus and train. The jouney by train takes 10 hours and costs £200+ - plus you cannot make the journey when you want. Plus the costs of getting to/from the station. The bus can be done from £74 but takes 15 hours of travelling time - but realistically cannot be done with the changeover that is needed at Exeter.

Hence looking at a car - maybe I should be looking at spending more on the car?

Volkswagen Passat, skoda octavia, - Which car for a regular 900mile round trip? - Armitage Shanks {p}

Depends where you are in the North-West. Preston is under 9 hours and £162 with the changes. You could get a lot of studying done in 9 hours!

Volkswagen Passat, skoda octavia, - Which car for a regular 900mile round trip? - rodgie

I live in Durham, further North. It is a lot of studying but the main problem is the lack of flexability in the train. Especially if you want to travel through the night. Thanks for the reply.

Volkswagen Passat, skoda octavia, - Which car for a regular 900mile round trip? - unthrottled

Forcus 1.6 TDCi Zetec which claim 70mpg extra urban...myth or reality?

At an average speed of 40mph-yes. At motorway speeds, no. Tbh, there won't be a great deal of difference in consumption at 70 mph in any of the similar diesels within a class.

Volkswagen Passat, skoda octavia, - Which car for a regular 900mile round trip? - Oli rag

Buy Bobbins Mazda 6 on ebay! You could probably find something more economical but I doubt you would find something more reliable.

Volkswagen Passat, skoda octavia, - Which car for a regular 900mile round trip? - Bobbin Threadbare

Buy Bobbins Mazda 6 on ebay! You could probably find something more economical but I doubt you would find something more reliable.

I can honestly say that a Mazda 6 fits the criteria very nicely. Cheap as chips because they're not cool or trendy, mine has been super reliable and it's very comfy for long journeys. Also people are often surprised at how nice they are inside - they're not naff and the centre console looks like it's out of a much posher car.

Volkswagen Passat, skoda octavia, - Which car for a regular 900mile round trip? - craig-pd130

Over those sorts of long-haul motorway journeys, a 1.8 or 2.0 petrol car will also give you fairly decent economy (i.e. late 30s mpg, possibly even 40mpg if you cruise at a steady 70ish).

My dad's petrol (non-turbo) Octavia gave him 40mpg on a recent 800 mile motoring holiday in Scotland. My old B5.5 Passat 1.9 PD (2003 model) would give 50mpg in that sort of usage.

So realistically, you're looking at an extra 10mpg from a diesel, offset against the extra 6 - 7 pence per litre. Roughly, that's a saving on fuel with diesel of around £500 per year if you carry on doing 20K miles per year ...

Don't overlook Japanese saloons like the Avensis or Accord as they're very comfy mile-munchers. At the £4K mark, I'd reckon it's more important to judge the car's service history and overall appearance rather than look for a specific make / model.

Volkswagen Passat, skoda octavia, - Which car for a regular 900mile round trip? - Big John

It's worth searching this forum further - Isn't the Focus 1.6 TDCI notorious in munching repeated turbos after about 60k due to problems due to oil lube (or lack of) problems.

Do not buy a VAG "2.0pd" in any NON transverse installations (e.g. Audi A4-A6 , pre 2005 VW Passat, Skoda Superb MK I ) as they have major problems with oil pump/ balancer shaft module drive mechanisms.

The VAG 1.9 pd engine combined with a 5 speed box is a reliable combination but many are getting old now - but cheap. Available in all sorts of cars but for that length of journey for that sort of money I find the most comfortable refined cars with this engine are the VW Passat and Skoda Superb. Don't ignore the 100 bhp versions of the 1.9 pd (130 bhp best but more expensive) as they perform better than you would imagine and the car tax is cheaper. I have a Skoda Superb 1.9 pd 100 which does about 49/50 mpg (can get mid 50's if I try. It's smooth and refined at speed.

The best VAG economy is the non turbo sdi (pre pd) fitted to Polo, Ibiza, Golf, Octavia- It's reliable but SLOWWWW however real life economy is great late 50's or even early 60's ).

Japanese petrols are reliable even in old age, more economical than you would think on a long journey and very good value e.g. Mazda 6 Petrol? (Never get the later diesel versions!! - search for Mazda 6 dpf problems)

Edited by Big John on 29/07/2012 at 23:01

Volkswagen Passat, skoda octavia, - Which car for a regular 900mile round trip? - unthrottled

The best VAG economy is the non turbo sdi (pre pd) fitted to Polo, Ibiza, Golf, Octavia-

The rotary pumped SDI is not quick-nor is it efficient. You're comparing the consumption of a Superb to city size cars. Put a turbo diesel against an n/a diesel and the turbo engine will get better economy as well as more power. Turboing a direct injection diesel is a no brainer. I don't know why the SDI limped on for as long as it did!

Volkswagen Passat, skoda octavia, - Which car for a regular 900mile round trip? - Big John

I agree in a way,

The PD is by far the better engine. However in real life I always got very late 50's out of an Octavia SDI and 65 mpg out of an Ibiza SDI. I'm sure if you drove the much more powerful PD engines at the much much slower SDI pace they would use less fuel. Its hard not to use the extra tourque/power of the PD though. The SDI (and pre PD TDIs) had another big problem with worn injectors. After about 100k diesel bore wash was a problem which if not sorted left you with a worn out engine at 150k. If looked after they were capabale of very high mileages though.

In my opinion the 130bhp is probably the best VAG1.9PD but later versions tended to be 100-105 bhp as by then the more powerful versions were the less relaible 2.0 version.

Edited by Big John on 29/07/2012 at 23:41

Volkswagen Passat, skoda octavia, - Which car for a regular 900mile round trip? - TeeCee

Er, whatever's cheapest.

You're going to be fully depreciating whatever it is by piling on the miles, so how much it cost in the first place is going to contribute to the overall cost of running it into the floor far more than a few MPGs either way will.

Ideally something stodgy and entirely lacking in "street cred" (better value for money) and Japanese (for reliability).

A good place to start would be to bang your candidate motor in the forum search here and look for common horror stories as, at that price, the first major component failure is going to write it off. From memory I reckon that Focus 1.6 TDCi you mention comes up rather too often for my blood (usually turbo related IIRC).....

Volkswagen Passat, skoda octavia, - Which car for a regular 900mile round trip? - gordonbennet

TeeCee is looking at this right, you might do well to look at cars with the wrong badge*, there's one near you could be worth considering, Huyndai Sonata Diesel, (ebay 390445105338) this one is a manual but there are several autos for sale elsewhere too, proper auto box.

The sort of miles you are going to do will rent any vehicle to scrap value in a few years anyway....purely out of interest have a look at ebay 320919871897, same model with 247k miles.

Also consider Kia Magentis Diesel, ebay 290751312249


Hundai/Kia no longer have the wrong badge with their latest designs, whether this will reflect in the value and desirability of their older models i don't know.

Obviously Diesel is a good choice for you given the long distances, but an LPG converted well bought, especially wrongly badged, petrol could be worth considering too, you're bound to be able to find some indy LPG suppliers on you route unless you are intending to travel in the middle of the night, i'm currently paying 69p per litre from an indy.

If you are considering LPG i can point you to a good but very slow website that gives places and (not always up to date) prices of LPG suppliers for the whole country.

Edited by gordonbennet on 30/07/2012 at 11:04

Volkswagen Passat, skoda octavia, - Which car for a regular 900mile round trip? - rodgie

Thanks very much for all the replies. I will look at the Hyundai and Kia car. They have never crossed my mind before. Some of the extra comforts like cruise control you get on the 'wrong badge' will definitely be of benefit on the journey.

I have even looked at hiring - as the maintainance is out of my hands and the fuel consumption on the new cars they give is in general, very good.

Just got to keep looking...

Volkswagen Passat, skoda octavia, - Which car for a regular 900mile round trip? - 659FBE

The Mk1 Skoda Superb is available now for banger money with the 1.9PD engine - either power rating would do for your job. As a long distance cruiser it's comfortable, safe and very economical. My PD 130 will achieve a genuine 60 mpg (measured between fill-ups) when left in cruise for long motorway trips at an indicated 70 mph. Around town it averages at around 47 mpg if I don't tow anything.

Never ever buy a 2.0 PD Superb as the oil pump drive fails.

The problem with running an old Korean is the cost of maintenance - pattern parts are not available and the makers know it and so charge accordingly for OE parts.The mark up on spares and servicing subsidises the cars and any older vehicle will need them.

VAG are in the opposite camp - pattern parts all over the place for older models which limits the price of genuine spares. If you search on ebay for "VW spares" there are more items here than for most other makes. Likewise, the competition extends to a group of good Independents which improves the quality and cost of maintenance considerably. Dealers are notoriously poor at providing cost effective servicing of acceptable quality.

659.

Edited by 659FBE on 30/07/2012 at 20:46

Volkswagen Passat, skoda octavia, - Which car for a regular 900mile round trip? - craig-pd130

I would agree with a Mk1 Superb or 1999 - 2005 Passat with the 1.9 PD motor as they're fantastic cruisers with great performance / economy mix.

There are three caveats: 1) the engine must have always had special VW-spec PD oil or it dies young. This is hard to prove on an older, multi-owner car.

2) Wet passenger footwell carpets due to blocked drains in the bulkhead plenum can cause electrical fun & games.

3) The front suspension knuckle joint bolt corrodes solidly in place as a matter of routine. If a front suspension joint fails an MOT, it's £400 per side to fix. Check the history to see if the front suspension's been done. If it hasn't, haggle hard. Oddly, it's a job that's often cheaper at a VW / Skoda dealer than at an independent, as the main dealers have done so many of the blinking things and have 'special tools' (i.e. big hacksaws & hammers)

Volkswagen Passat, skoda octavia, - Which car for a regular 900mile round trip? - Big John

Forgot to mention, whatever you shortlist - price up a set of tyres. With that mileage you could be buying a lot of them. Could be a significant cost. I have done about 20k/year (64 mile round trip commute + european holidays) for well over 20years and have been burnt by this in the past.

Both my cars (2003 Skoda Superb 1.9 pd 100 classic and 2001 Skoda Octavia 1.4 16v classic) are poverty spec versions that have higher profile tyres. The Skoda Superb gets about 18k on Bridgestones and 33k on Michelins. The Octavia gets well over 40k on Goodyears.

You will get much less out of super low prifile tyres. Someone at work was replacing tyres on a new Octavia VRS at about 10k - ouch! Could be 8 tyres /year - at nearly £200 each thats £1,600 every year! Compare that to my poverty spec Octavia with a set of high profile tyres every two years at £50 each thats £100 /year.

Edited by Big John on 30/07/2012 at 22:21

Volkswagen Passat, skoda octavia, - Which car for a regular 900mile round trip? - injection doc

Passat 140 2,0TDi

55-60mpg great for motorway miles. One of my jobs i used to do I used three of these for around 6-900 miles per day. Brilliant. Still mis them now.

All three did well over 140K no problem.

Replaced with E250 merc, back breaker

Volkswagen Passat, skoda octavia, - Which car for a regular 900mile round trip? - Avant

Interesting - so many people advise against getting a car with this engine (PD I assume), and yet you - who know a lot about this - had no problems.

Maybe you ensured that the injectors weren't Siemens.

Volkswagen Passat, skoda octavia, - Which car for a regular 900mile round trip? - unthrottled

There was a 140 CR engine...

Volkswagen Passat, skoda octavia, - Which car for a regular 900mile round trip? - dieselnut

The CR engine was available in the Passat from mid 2008. You can pick up high milers with one owner & FSH sub £5k. I made a point of avoiding the 2l PD. Inj Doc has been lucky ( & being Co cars, probably wasn't worried ), but early ones suffered with oil pump drive failure, which if not caught straight away, results in a new engine & no help from VW. Some go on for ever while others fail sub 40k miles. Coupled with the Siemens injectors that go short circuit, i'd rather forgoe the sleepless nights. I drove down to my sons near Watford yesterday in my 2008 CR Passat with 160k on the clock, 160 miles down the M6/ M1 with the cruise set to 68mph (apart from a few miles of 50mph roadworks ), 5 miles of A roads at each end & returned 68.4mpg on the confuser. A relaxing & quiet drive. If you can't run to the CR go for the 1.9PD engine which was used up to 2005.