VW Golf GT Sport (140 BHP) - Winter Tyres - Fat or skinny?! - Tony1DB

Hello all and Honest John - and hope you can help me!

I have a VW Golf 2ltr diesel (GT Sport 140BHP), currently on 225x45x17 91Y Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2 tyres.

The future seems to be fitting winter tyres when the weather requires them. For ease, I will probably buy a set of steelies and swap the wheels around as and when, rather than paying a garage 'X' amount, twice a year, to change the tyres over - plus it will save on damage on the alloys.

Logic says to get winter tyres in the same size as what I have got on now, but I have heard that wide-ish sporty tyre tyres like mine, are not great on snow and slush, but that smaller/skinnier tyres are better.

My question is whether I should get winter tyres in the same size as I already have and am used to driving on, or to go for something smaller/skinnier.

What are your thoughts?

Thank you very much and I look forward to hearing from you!

VW Golf GT Sport (140 BHP) - Winter Tyres - Fat or skinny?! - Avant

You've asked a similar question before, Tony, and there's some good advice on that thread.

For what my experience is worth, I've had two Octavia vRS estates with 225 x 40 x 18 tyres - the first time in 40 years of driving FWD cars that I've had trouble in snow, for the reasons that you're well aware of - fat wheels and low-profile tyres.

I had Avon winter tyres fitted to the first Octavia - excellent in snow but very expensive. This last winter on the current car I bought 16" steel wheels from my Skoda dealer, Jewsons of Oxford, @ £52 each, and Kleber Quadraxer 205 x 55 x 16 all-weather tyres @ £72 each from National Tyres of Henley. I had them on from November to Easter and they should do two more winters. Tyre shops charge £15 - £20 a wheel to change tyres on the same wheels, but, bless them, National put my summer tyres, stull attached to thye 18" alloys, back on for free. So this way of doing it is starting to pay for itself.

At 63 I'm no boy-racer but I like to get a move on, and to be honest I noticed hardly any difference between the sets of wheels and tyres - except of course the winter tyres' much better grip in the little ice and snow that we had in the South this winter.

VW Golf GT Sport (140 BHP) - Winter Tyres - Fat or skinny?! - Mike H

I have a Saab 9-5 Aero, with the same size summer tyres as your Golf, running 265bhp. In the winter, I follow the Saab recommendation and use 205x55x16 94H on it with no issues. And the rolling radius of these is almost identical to the 225x45x17s, so there are no problems with the speedo misreading, fuel consumption etc. I obviously have a second set of wheels, although I use alloys as they were the easiest to find.

HTH

VW Golf GT Sport (140 BHP) - Winter Tyres - Fat or skinny?! - fiftyyearsintyres

You have the right answer it doesn.t really matter what size tyre you fit when fitting winter tyres to most of these cars provided the rolling radius is similar and there is sufficient clearance between the wheel and the vehicle brakes and they have a similar.load index. All tyres are a compromise between grip , comfort & longevity and on most cars a better ride & comfort and winter grip is always acheived using narrower winter tyres. When there is no longer an "R" in the month and the prospect of cold nights is a memory fit your Utra-Low profile tyres and you can safely exploit the extra power that these tyres are designed to provide.even if the trade off can be a much harsher ride & with some brands of tyres a tendency to "Tramline" along ridges & white lines.

Remember one thing when the winter snow & ice comes again EVEN the cheapest Winter tyres will significantly out perform the most expensive Summer Tyre even if it just cold & wet the winter tyre will always be better...So called all-weather tyres are really just another compromise and often fall short of customer expectations

VW Golf GT Sport (140 BHP) - Winter Tyres - Fat or skinny?! - thunderbird

Whichever tyre you choose you will need to inform your insurance company of the change even if you fit the standard size. Normally ther is no extra charge but its best to tell them.

With regards to size when I had a Golf the alternative sizes for winter tyres were listed in the handbook. Use any of those and you should have no problem with the insurance, stray away and it may cost you more.

VW Golf GT Sport (140 BHP) - Winter Tyres - Fat or skinny?! - RT

Whichever tyre you choose you will need to inform your insurance company of the change even if you fit the standard size. Normally ther is no extra charge but its best to tell them.

But if they're the same size, you aren't making any change - you don't need to inform insurers if you change brands but retain the sizing.

VW Golf GT Sport (140 BHP) - Winter Tyres - Fat or skinny?! - ChannelZ

Whichever tyre you choose you will need to inform your insurance company of the change even if you fit the standard size. Normally ther is no extra charge but its best to tell them.

Rubbish, it's got b***** all to do with the insurance company. If you change the RIMS then it has, but just changing to winter tyres of the same size, it has nothing to do with them.

People like you spreading this rubbish is why more people don't go for winter tyres, with the resultant collapse of the transport network the instant a bit of snow falls.

VW Golf GT Sport (140 BHP) - Winter Tyres - Fat or skinny?! - thunderbird

Whichever tyre you choose you will need to inform your insurance company of the change even if you fit the standard size. Normally ther is no extra charge but its best to tell them.

Rubbish, it's got b***** all to do with the insurance company. If you change the RIMS then it has, but just changing to winter tyres of the same size, it has nothing to do with them.

People like you spreading this rubbish is why more people don't go for winter tyres, with the resultant collapse of the transport network the instant a bit of snow falls.

ChannelZ

You are so wrong.

It has everthing to do with the insurance company, if you don't tell them you may end up not getting paid out should the worse case happen.

Many winter tyres are a lower speed rating than summer tyres, that is a materail chnage.

Last winter Honest John puts up a list of all the insurance companies policy on this, some don't want to be told, some do but very few charged extra thus why take the risk.

How can people telling the truth be helping with the collapse of the transport network. People don't buy winter tyres because they may have to tell the insurance company, there are many more reasons on the list before that. Main reason is probably very few people understand what a winter tyre does, most think of them as snow tyres. Buying them puts most people off as well.

So before you start telling me (and others) they are talking b******s check the facts, surely you should not encouage people to risk their cover for the sake of a phone call. As I said above, insurance companies are well known for finding reasons not to pay out.

VW Golf GT Sport (140 BHP) - Winter Tyres - Fat or skinny?! - ChannelZ

Logic says to get winter tyres in the same size as what I have got on now, but I have heard that wide-ish sporty tyre tyres like mine, are not great on snow and slush, but that smaller/skinnier tyres are better.

My question is whether I should get winter tyres in the same size as I already have and am used to driving on, or to go for something smaller/skinnier.

What are your thoughts?

Thank you very much and I look forward to hearing from you!

I'd stick to the same size. Modern winters especially in temperate climates like ours don't need skinny winter tyres.

I ran Vredestein Wintrac Xtremes on a Lancer, in 225/45-18 and the car was unstoppable in the ice and snow of 3 years ago, actually leaving me having to tow the neighbour's Range Rover up the road! On that car the Wintracs were easily as good in the summer as my summer tyres (OE fit Yokohama A10A), and in the wet the winters were better.

I've also run Dunlop winters on a Mondeo, and they were excellent in all conditions.

VW Golf GT Sport (140 BHP) - Winter Tyres - Fat or skinny?! - John F

.What are your thoughts?

My thoughts are - save your money! A 2l diesel lump over the front wheels in a tiny car will drag you through most snow, which in England lasts about six hours before you can see the tarmac again, unless you are a Pennine farmer. The snow won't hold you up but the BMW in front will. Gritting has never been as intensive as it is now, yet the motor industry has the nerve to encourage everyone to have a set of winter tyres!

But if you must, skinny and chunky for snow and mud; fat and smooth for sand.

VW Golf GT Sport (140 BHP) - Winter Tyres - Fat or skinny?! - unthrottled

Completely agree with the above. Britain has some oif the most benign weather on the planet and yet still people fret about becoming snowbound.

Still, winter tyres are cheaper than buying a discovery because you live on a country lane!

VW Golf GT Sport (140 BHP) - Winter Tyres - Fat or skinny?! - RT

Our weather isn't extreme, in world terms, but this contributes to drivers' inabilities to cope with the conditions we do get.

From the days when I had to travel a lot on business, I did notice that Scotland copes with snow admirably, Northern England manages, Central England panics and goes home from work early causing gridlock while Southern England shuts down and stays at home - others have noted the same geographical anomaly.

No doubt, if we had snow like Northern Canada we'd all adapt.

VW Golf GT Sport (140 BHP) - Winter Tyres - Fat or skinny?! - unthrottled

True. But technical 'fixes' for incompetence tend to lead to a false sense of security.

Don't get me wrong, I think winter tyres are great-but, for me, the reality of keeping an extra set of wheels, both in terms of space and cost, outweighs the benefits.