Unmarked Police Vehicles - Red&Bold

On the way home from work today i saw a Nissan Navara unmarked police car that had pulled a KA. this was in the Winchester area along the M3. I'm fairly concious that the plod are using more and more unmarkeds on the road but i would have never though to watch for a Navara.

Just wondering if anyone else has come across an unmarked car that surprised them??

Unmarked Police Vehicles - Bobbin Threadbare

The ones in N. Lancs are BMWs; usually 3 or 5-series in black or that gun-metal grey colour.

I've seen some unusual marked ones lately actually; a Chevy 4x4 and a Kia 4x4, all decked out.

Unmarked Police Vehicles - Red&Bold

Seems that they are getting a bit cheeky with their choice of vehicles lately. found this site that was quite interesting.

Police Cars Through The Ages

Unmarked Police Vehicles - Auristocrat

In Birmingham they used to have a couple of Mondeo ST220's. Now seem to have BMW's.

Bring back the Austin A40 panda cars!!

Unmarked Police Vehicles - unthrottled

Seems that they are getting a bit cheeky with their choice of vehicles lately.

Indeed. There's always money for final salary pensions and prestige cars, but not enough tor sending a bobby round to a burglary. Funny sense of priorities.

There's a 10 plate BMW X5 cruising round west cheshire at the moment. What possible reason can they have for a luxury SUV on the cheshire plain??

You can always spot them with the double rear view mirrors!

Unmarked Police Vehicles - jamie745

Indeed. There's always money for final salary pensions and prestige cars, but not enough tor sending a bobby round to a burglary. Funny sense of priorities.

You've never been a fan of the Police have you?

There's a 10 plate BMW X5 cruising round west cheshire at the moment. What possible reason can they have for a luxury SUV on the cheshire plain??

Because a BMW X5 would probably blend in quite well in Cheshire. Plenty of Police Forces have Range Rover's also. I know you want them to use old Renault's but its a false economy. Forces who have switched to cheaper cars end up seeing their saving wiped out by higher repair bills. Even though they do modify the cars, they still have to withstand hard abuse and the ability to take speed bumps at 80mph (ex-Traffc Cop i met recently told me he's taken bumps at 130+) and the BMW's, Volvo's etc stand up pretty well to it.

Transport vehicles on the other hand are different, my nearest Police station still uses a P Reg Transit.

On the subject of unmarked cars, locally theres a Mondeo ST220 with a bodykit on it, big alloys etc which looks like a total chav mobile until the lights and sirens fire up. Thats fantastic.

Unmarked Police Vehicles - unthrottled

You've never been a fan of the Police have you?

No.

(and no, I've never been 'done')

Unmarked Police Vehicles - jamie745

No.

(and no, I've never been 'done')

Well i do like them, despite once being questioned for allegedly handling stolen goods.

Good job i had those gloves.

Unmarked Police Vehicles - unthrottled

I suppose that X5 might be necessary for towing those weighty pensions all the way to the bank. :-)

No I don't like the force as a whole because it affords itself special dispensation to ignore the rules that it purports to uphold. That's the sort of protection I think I could well do without. Socially, I get on with a couple of policemen, believe it or not!

Unmarked Police Vehicles - unthrottled

Forces who have switched to cheaper cars end up seeing their saving wiped out by higher repair bills. Even though they do modify the cars, they still have to withstand hard abuse and the ability to take speed bumps at 80mph (ex-Traffc Cop i met recently told me he's taken bumps at 130+)

You see-that's my problem. What possible reason is there to take speed bumps at 130-other than the fact that the driver feels like a jolly? It's irresponsible. If a suspect needs following that desparately-call out the helicopter and follow it in that.

Cheaper cars have higher repair bills.

Really? Let's take a BMW on runflats and a cheap car on sensible tyres and see which one suffers suspension failure first. Plenty of Citroens and Peugeots clocked up massive mileages as taxis. The 'gotta have a beemer' is a racket and it has no place in these straitened times.

Unmarked Police Vehicles - jamie745

You see-that's my problem. What possible reason is there to take speed bumps at 130-other than the fact that the driver feels like a jolly? It's irresponsible. If a suspect needs following that desparately-call out the helicopter and follow it in that.

Its called pursuit driving. The Helicopter is good for navigating where the suspect is but unless the Police actually catch them in person, they end up getting off with a slap on the wrist at court due to 'lack of evidence' or 'procedural technicalities' and rubbish like that. Lots of people say we should just film them with the chopper and arrest them later but due to the workings of our legal system that just wouldnt work, we'd never be able to charge anybody. We need ground units to be following them closely also.

There are strict regulations over the use of speed with the Police. Loads of people think if they have the blue lights on then that gives them dispensation to do whatever they want but thats not true. Nor does using speed especially require blue lights either to make it ok. Police Officers do have to pay speed camera fines if they cannot justify their speed at the time.

To be honest, i think if you can do 130mph over these speed bumps without anybody dying or the sky falling down then that proves you dont need a 20mph zone on it. It was obviously fine at 30 before hand. But 'think of the children' and all that...

Really? Let's take a BMW on runflats and a cheap car on sensible tyres and see which one suffers suspension failure first.

The latter, at the speed they drive them. The Police uprate the suspension and brakes anyway, they dont use factory-fit rubbish like us earthlings make do with. The car has to be sturdy, and even then they're lifespan with the Police is generally short. Its an expensive job but a vital one which is worthy of our taxes.

Plenty of Citroens and Peugeots clocked up massive mileages as taxis.

Taxi's dont take speed bumps at 130mph or carry out of most of their driving in 'pursuit mode' unless you live in Scotland.

Personally theres little i like more than a good dose of Police Interceptors or Traffic Cops, with the 'Scoobies' doing 140mph on route to kick the crap out of a scrote. Makes you proud to be British.

Edited by jamie745 on 31/01/2012 at 21:12

Unmarked Police Vehicles - unthrottled

Its called pursuit driving. The Helicopter is good for navigating where the suspect is but unless the Police actually catch them in person, they end up getting off with a slap on the wrist at court due to 'lack of evidence' or 'procedural technicalities'

So if they the suspect is ultimately going to be let off with a slap on the wrist, there's little point in a high speed pursuit, is there?

Unmarked Police Vehicles - jamie745

So if they the suspect is ultimately going to be let off with a slap on the wrist, there's little point in a high speed pursuit, is there?

If we follow your logic we'd let people get away with all crime which we found too expensive to combat. Thats not how we run a civilised country. If we stopped battling criminals then they've won and there'd be more of them tomorrow - because they know they'd never get caught. I dont see how you can expect your Police force to be a crime fighting prescence if you tell them to not bother chasing anybody because there's no point.

Anyway, you never know exactly what the suspect has done until you get them. You might be chasing them for a faulty brake light and then find out they're a cocaine dealer with an AK-47 in the back. In most cases, stops for small offences usually do uncover big ones.

They dont all get off with nothing, usually drivers with no licence or insurance just get a fine they wont pay and points on a licence they dont have, which can seem pretty pointless, but thats not the Police's fault. They didnt make the laws or the penalties.

Unmarked Police Vehicles - unthrottled

If we follow your logic we'd let people get away with all crime which we found too expensive to combat.

No, it's gaining a sense of proportion. There is no justification in a high speed pursuit of a stolen car-the risks outweigh the expected gain of an arrest.

In most cases, stops for small offences usually do uncover big ones.

I agree entirely. Which is why I'd rather see the police on foot learning names and faces. Anonymity enboldens petty criminals. Once criminals know that they are known to the police, their activities are curtailed. You don't learn anything racing round in an SUV. But racing around in an SUV is more fun, so no prizes for guessing what the police choose to do.

Unmarked Police Vehicles - jamie745

No, it's gaining a sense of proportion. There is no justification in a high speed pursuit of a stolen car-the risks outweigh the expected gain of an arrest.

It depends on the conditions. They wouldnt do 90mph through town in fog for a stolen car, for instance. in fact theres plenty of situations in which a pursuit would be abandoned, but its a judgement call for the officers.

I agree entirely. Which is why I'd rather see the police on foot learning names and faces.Anonymity enboldens petty criminals. Once criminals know that they are known to the police, their activities are curtailed. You don't learn anything racing round in an SUV.

So you want to see Traffic Police on foot? Rather than dealing with Traffic? The clues in the title :) Its not Traffic Cops job to be out learning anything about local criminals (unless those criminals are in a car).

Its not the job of the Traffic Police to be on foot as a beat bobby, thats the beat bobbies job (obviously). The idea that the Traffic unit should leave their SUV at home and do a different job to what they're paid for is quite bizarre.

Unmarked Police Vehicles - unthrottled

I don't see much need for traffic police.

Unmarked Police Vehicles - jamie745

Thats because we have Traffic Police (not enough of it though). If we didnt have it you'd soon find a need for them.

The threat of being caught doing something stupid keeps 90% of drivers compliant. Take away the threat - roads become a free for all.

Unmarked Police Vehicles - sb10

Thats because we have Traffic Police (not enough of it though). If we didnt have it you'd soon find a need for them.

The threat of being caught doing something stupid keeps 90% of drivers compliant. Take away the threat - roads become a free for all.

The roads are already a free for all especially around London South east,drivers doing right turns at no right turn junctions and that sort of thing,driving over path corners,I can only see it getting worse with hardly any traffic cops around,when they are about its always during the quiet periods,havent a clue where they go during rush hours,though I can guess

Unmarked Police Vehicles - bathtub tom

>>i would have never though to watch for a Navara.

Why would you need to watch for an umarked police car? Not doing anything wrong are we?

;>)

Unmarked Police Vehicles - Bobbin Threadbare

I've seen that X5 in Cheshire. Ridiculous.

Lancs also have a Subaru WRX in battenburg kit.

Funniest I ever saw was a Merseyside constabulary X5 on the M58. A bright orange Lambo whizzed past us, followed by two bikers on some very nice racing motorcycles. Obviously having a fun race on the quietest motorway in the region! The copper in the X5 just shook his head. He had no chance of getting any of the racers for speeding!

Unmarked Police Vehicles - Red&Bold

Why would you need to watch for an umarked police car? Not doing anything wrong are we?

;>)

Depends on who's asking :-)

i will admit on this "anonymous" forum (i hope) that i sometimes stray above the 70 mark. it seems to be generally taken that 80 and below is a waste of time for the police to pull on speed alone (maybe a different matter if you have a light out and/or show some driving skills that would have given your instructor a heart attack).

with the argument on how our taxes are being spent by the 5 0 it does annoy me a little to see a brand new beemer being driven by some smug looking copper. but on the other foot its a very nice feeling when you see it smash past you after the idiot who undertakes you and nearly takes your front wing off. swings and roundabouts i guess.

any road no matter how much you glamour it up, a car is just a bit of tin and rubber.

Unmarked Police Vehicles - balleballe

I find that most coppers are smug looking regardless of what they're driving. Sometimes even when they're just walking down the street with a stupid 'swagger'

Unmarked Police Vehicles - Avant

Sorry to lower the tone of the debate, but I can't get over the OP's first line:

" i saw a Nissan Navara unmarked police car that had pulled a KA".

I'd never thought of cars getting off with each other, but I hope they lived happily ever after despite the disparity in size.

Some years ago one of my predecessors as moderator had two cars which he claimed were male and female - an Alfa (Alpha male) and a Mitsubishi L200 (a pickup).

Unmarked Police Vehicles - unthrottled

Has someone hacked Avant's account? Never have I heard such vugarity!

Unmarked Police Vehicles - Bobbin Threadbare

:-D @ Avant!

Unmarked Police Vehicles - dacouch

In London I see very random undercover police cars with their blues and twos on, these include P reg Nissan Primeras and similar cars. My favourite are the undercover vans they use, they look just like newish builders vans. Second favourite was a Mini one

Hopefully they catch some of people doing illegal things such as red lights and no right turns they would not do if a marked car is around.

Unmarked Police Vehicles - CakeBoy

One thing to remember is that sometimes the forces use cars they've taken from people. When living in Wales, there was a big thing about how they'd taken a BMW 7 series off a local drug dealer and disposed of it via auction asit has been gained via criminal funds.

They then promptly bought it back at the auction for around half the current retail price. They were quoted as saying it was saving taxpayers money :)

So they're not always wasting our money - and No I'm not a copper

Unmarked Police Vehicles - jamie745

Yes many forces do quite a bit of that. I read one recently about a force which seized two BMW 5-series and a Golf R32 as proceeds of crime and they now use them as Police vehicles.