Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - fryup

I was quite happy like a lot of drivers running around in my Honda Accord Diesel (05 plate and 95,000 miles) with my VSA light on for the last 18 months knowing it won't effect the MOT and not paying Honda the £1,600 they wanted for this crappy part.

I new it wouldn't last. The new MOT rules has b****d that up. I went to Honda dealer, they phoned Honda UK and I got a new VSA modulator inc fittings and vat for £800 as a goodwill gesture. Not bad. Now I am starting to hear the dreaded rattle of the timing chain which along with the clutch, flywheel and cracked manifold is a major isue particularly with the 04-05 Diesel Accord. The car is 7 years old and has 2 months to go before the warranty expires on the free timing chain replacement under Honda extended warranty.

I took it to the Honda dealer who said he couldn't hear the rattle, and I get the impression he thinks I am pulling a fast one to get the work done for free before the warranty runs out. I am not because I can hear it developing especially from cold start but so what if I was, why should I fork out £2000 (cost of repair for timing chain alone). I am already anticipating fiurther down the line more hefty repairs to crack manifold (£900), clutch and flywheel (1,500), turbo problems(£?) all known issues of this 05 Accord. Time for a trade in I think anyone reccommend a reliable car?

P.S. Honda want the broken modulator back, I was going to keep it and sell it on ebay to get some money back, what do you think?................Thanks.

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - xtrailman

Are you certain the car would have failed the mot?

I know a lot of rule changes have taken place, but i had my xtrail tested this month, and the tester never even looked at the towbar, or tested the 13 pin socket.

I asked him why, the answer i got was to say that many changes had been brought in, that the system hadn't had time to implement them all, even though he had the required equipment.

At the milage your car has clocked up, its only to be expected that parts will wear out, problem is each item can be very expensive.

Time to get rid.

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - HandCart

So, on an economic-viability basis, that's the end of life for that paragon of reliability, a Honda -

7 years and 95,000 miles?

Good grief!!

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - ChannelZ

Better off with an "unreliable" Mondeo or Vectra. Same faults but half the price to fix.

Clutch and DMF on a Mondeo is an engine out job, and it's only £700 at most for parts and labour. Only cost me £360 for mine, didn't need a DMF, only clutch...

No idea what a VAS modulator is, sounds like something you would plug in to an old Commodore computer in the 80s to make it work with your telly!

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - focussed

So, on an economic-viability basis, that's the end of life for that paragon of reliability, a Honda -

7 years and 95,000 miles?

Good grief!!

Try searching for threads on here about Hondas going wrong -compared with the usual suspects?

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - fryup

Xtrailman - I know the MOT changes come into effect on May 1st but Honda only keep their goodwill gesture open for 30 days. As my MOT was due and the fact I would not be able to sell the car with AVS light perm on (buyers would simply take £2,000 off the asking price) I thought it best to get the work done with a view to selling knowing the problems comming up with this particular model. I am not saying all Hondas are bad just the 04-05 Accord diesel. What car do you reccommend?

Handcart - Thats what I was thinking, cut my losses. Chances are none of the other problems may never come up but from what I have read on the many car forums once it starts on the 05 diesels the known issues don't stop. What car do you reccommend?

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - HandCart

Hi Fryup, you may see from another thread I started that I am asking the same question; the only thing for me is that I am likely looking at 05-08 plate cars to begin with!

I reckon we're kind of in a bad decade: Presumably when manufacturers had to ensure all new models had to comply with Euro5, they had to start squeezing every last bit out of the available technologies, and it takes time for them to get really good at it and ensure they can still make things reliable whilst still being mass-produced. Nissan aren't even going to bother with a diesel engine on the latest Micra because the NEXT phase of legislated emission compliancy will require so much gubbins that the engine would cost too big a proportion of the car's customer-expected retail price.

If you're buying new or newish and want another diesel, my own research (HJ, Which?, other mags' surveys, online forums, etc) is probably tending to give me a leaning towards Hyundai and Kia. Their diesel engines don't seem to have TOO many horror stories, and, coincidentally in comparison with the 'life' of your Honda, Kia offer a 7-year 100k mile warranty.

:-)

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - fryup

Hi Handcart - Thanks mate Yep I think your right about being in the wrong decade. I never even thought about Hyundai and Kia I will defo look into them a bit more. I am looking at 08 plates and not really fussed about diesel or petrol (odds are on petrol at the moment) as I am doing less miles these days. It took me ages to find the right car ,the research, testdrive, haggling and finaly trying not to cry when I handed my money over to Honda. I bought it 3 years ago thinking it would last me about 5-6 years. Oh well you live and learn. The search goes on.

ChannelZ - I have owned both Fords and Vauxhalls and yeh parts and price has always been OK. I actually drive a Ford Transit minibus for a living (not mine alas) and my boss swears by them. VSA by the way is Hondas traction control system. The modulator is way, way over priced for the piece of rubbish that it is. I had a 18 valve Lada once.......mind you 17 of those were in the radio.

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - ChannelZ

ChannelZ - I have owned both Fords and Vauxhalls and yeh parts and price has always been OK. I actually drive a Ford Transit minibus for a living (not mine alas) and my boss swears by them. VSA by the way is Hondas traction control system. The modulator is way, way over priced for the piece of rubbish that it is. I had a 18 valve Lada once.......mind you 17 of those were in the radio.

lol, yeah, I know what you mean. I like my Mondeo, but it has been a bit of a mare with electrical gremlins, but none are safety issues, or inconvenient (indicators don't blink-blonk any more, the fuel computer's button doesn't work, heated washer jets burnt out with a lot of acrid smoke, stuff like that).

I'm hopefully moving job so I'll be going to a 50 mile round trip commute from my current 2 mile one, which I mostly walk or carpool in the winter. I'm looking at the Kia Rio or Mazda 2 as small cars, or a Mk2.5 Focus or Octavia as cars of a larger size to replace the Mondeo. With house renovation looming in the next few years, I'm thinking staying away from a supermini may be an idea, but fuel economy on a single person commute is also a concern.

It's difficult to kow what to do for the best...

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - xtrailman

Yes i can't really advise on what to buy, nowadays i focus on changing cars from new after 4 years.

The complexity of modern cars is a concern, when i ran 12 year old cars you could diy, with out trouble, my Mk1 cortina i could change the clutch very quickly, just drop the gearbox.

I could stand inside the engine bay. all thats gone now.

If i was still in the older car era, today i would be thinking ford or Vauxhall, simply because so many are on the road, spares are usually cheaper, and purchase price.

And fitted with just a non turbo petrol engine, my mate runs a old 2L petrol Modeao estate, and had very few problems, likewise his partner with a 1.8 Vectra.

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - fryup

Non turbo engines are great in my opinion. I had a Peugeot 1.9 non turbo diesel 405 saloon (no power steering but great engine) and 406 1.9 non turbo estate (part exchange for Honda) both good cars but peugeot in their wisdom put a 2.1 turbo in the diesel 406 and had nothing but problems. I wish I had kept my 406 it would have been 14 years old now but it hardly cost me a penny to run cause it was so easy to fix. I know there are some bad examples out there but they are mainly the 2.1HDi.

It's funny but I can't help thinking that when I see an old Morris Oxford, Ford Zephyr (our family car when I was a kid), Vauxhall Viva, etc which were big family cars at the time I am amazed at how small they now look on todays roads even compared to the smallest modern hatchback, or is that just me.

Edited by fryup on 28/01/2012 at 15:07

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - Avant

Not just you, Fryup. New models of cars tend to be bigger that the one they replace - partly because, at least with family cars, the makers hope that the family grows and needs something bigger.

The Viva, which was originally the smallest Vauxhall, developed into the Astra, both growing with each new version, and than in comes the Nova / Corsa underneath. I should think that the current Corsa is bigger than the Mark 1 Viva - wider certainly - although not necessarily much more satisfying to drive.

Edited by Avant on 28/01/2012 at 16:30

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - cmg1969

I have a 99,000 mile Honda Accord with full Honda service history. VSA light on. Honda garage quoted £1200 and I dont hink that included labour. Found this forum and saw what others had got out of Honda as goodwill gesture.

I phoned Honda UK on Wed am - explained situation, told them that I knoew others had been given a reduced price as goodwill and that I felt it was unfair for me to pay so much for what is a design fault. Istated that I would accept paying the labour if they paid for the part. Thursday pm phone call from local Honda garage - they will subsidise the part and labour - total cost £457 - excellent result.

Lesson of the story - use the internet to find out what others have achieved - ask firmly but politely and dont be affraid to ask. Now why couldnt Honda have just done the offer up front wthout all the annoyance and work ofphone calls etc?

Hope this helps others to get a similar deal

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - Anon000000766

Hi cmg1969

I note you got the job done for £457 a great result. I have been quoted on a 55 plate Honda Accord 70,000 miles. I was quoted £1743.66 inc VAT for the part from Honda discounted to £720 inc VAT as a gesture of goodwill and £230 for the labour, so £950 for a part they installed to my car incorrectly in the first place. Can you tell which dealership did the work as much better than my £950 quoted and how old is your car 55,56 plate or other ?

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - madf

It's funny but I can't help thinking that when I see an old Morris Oxford, Ford Zephyr (our family car when I was a kid), Vauxhall Viva, etc which were big family cars at the time I am amazed at how small they now look on todays roads even compared to the smallest modern hatchback, or is that just me.

Nope.. It's fact.

The first Ford Granada was 4572mm long. It was Ford's executive car in 1972 when launched.

The Mark 3 Ford Focus is 4358mm long.

The 1993 Mondeo was 4556mm long.

The 2011 Mondeo is 4784mm long.

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - Anon000000766

I have a 55 plate Honda Accord with the same VSA Modulator issue. Honda is onto a real scam doing a £800 gesture of goodwill against a part they now know they installed from a third party manufacturer that made it wrong in the first place. They should be recalling these cars and replacing this fault for free. I was quoted £1743.66 inc VAT for the part from Honda discounted to £720 inc VAT as a gesture of goodwill and £230 for the labour, so £950 for a part they installed to my car incorrectly in the first place.

You own the part so you have the right to do with it what you want as long as you declare on e-bay the fault. I understand from a good electrician it can be mended but Honda may not want the parts floating around on the second hand market.

I will not be buying another Honda.

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - Collos25

You are correct they can be repaired at a fraction of the cost wanted by Honda .

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - d4v1d sm4rt

here!, here! Collos25

you can fix it yourself for £100...* I did

Honda should hang their head in shame for supplying a car with substandard parts and for ripping off their customers to fix the rubbish they have supplied

*look up the part number on the ABS unit ( probably 57110-SEF-E550- M1 or maybe E551-M1 as they are interchangeable )

get one from a breakers or ebay ( £100 )

remove your old one and split the valve body ( which has the faulty pressure switch in it) from the electronic ECU part by unscrewing the 2 torqx screws. then attach the new valve body to the old ECU ( you must do this as otherwise the car will not recognise a different ECU and will still throw up the VSA light )

Fit the new unit and bleed the brakes, the light should then go out. 2-3 hour job that any home mechanic could do. Works on Volvo and Audis too with the ATE abs pump.

The timing chain is the major fault of these cars. Bad engineering allowed the carbon particles to prematurely wear the timing chain and the oil pump chain making them rattle. The engine design was so over complicated that it is uneconomical to repair. ( simply taking out the diesel injectors is £600 and requires special pullers and if you damage an injector it is £400 to replace and you have to recalibrate them all before they go back, again poor design.)

Will never buy another Honda as they have simply become a liability when they are a certain age. Same happened to a Civic 1.7 Diesel which overboosted and no one could fix.

Honda RIP

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - brum

but.....but.....but......what happens to the backroom codgers age old mantra?

"if ye want reliability buy ye either a Honda or Toyota....."

Better go out and change my oil quick, before it turns to sludge......;)

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - Avant

Insert the word 'petrol' at the end of that quote. The orginal poster in this thread was talking about a diesel, and I think the other posters have been as well. I can't remember ever seeing a tale of woe about a Honda petrol.

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - RT

but.....but.....but......what happens to the backroom codgers age old mantra?

"if ye want reliability buy ye either a Honda or Toyota....."

Better go out and change my oil quick, before it turns to sludge......;)

This old codger remembers the original imported Honda and Toyota models - rusted quicker than a "Dagenham Dustbin", hideous looks and discriminated against for a long time by those of us bitter about PoW treatment in WW2.

It's the "young 'uns" who think they're the bees' knees.

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - elmet

I had not heard of the VSA modulator until this week. I know about it now .... I was quoted £2,027.94p to replace the unit in my 2007 Accord. Can anyone top that?

The guy in the service department said this is a very common problem on Accords and they had replaced "dozens" at that dealer this year.

Better news for some is that the dealer did say that Honda dealers typically replace it free of charge in vehicles with under 100,000 on the clock. My vehicle is now the wrong side of that.

Anyone sourced a replacement and fitted it independently of Honda?

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - concrete

As mentioned in my recent thread about the withdrawal of the Accord; Honda seem to have lost the plot. Such a real shame for a well respected car maker. I take the point about the difference between petrol and diesel, but Honda should know better. They came to the diesel market late and should have had the benefit of everyone else's mistakes to advance their cause. They seem to have lost their way on so many fronts from marketing, design, relibility and very importantly price. At this rate I can see them going down the tubes in 10 years time or just becoming a fringe player then ending up like Saab or Volvo. Funny old world, ain't it? Cheers Concrete

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - Collos25

What do you mean by "late"

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - brum

I think he means well after all other manufacturers had designed and released diesel models. IIRC, their television adverts attached great weight to this, boasting that their diesel engines blew away the competition both in performance and emissions because their engines were technologically so superior to everyone else. I remember cartoons of honda engines flying on angel wings in the clouds, while everyone else was chugging along on the ground belching out black smoke.

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - madf

Honda is aiming to double down. It plans to produce twice as many vehicles as it does today.

That will take it to more than 6 million vehicles over the next five years as the Japanese automaker gears up for ambitious growth after bouncing back from last year's disasters.

tinyurl.com/c8r78zv


Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - d4v1d sm4rt

we can all "aim" at something, whether we get it is another thing...

I think the value of any company is not when things are going right it is how they treat you when they are going wrong that counts and so far i have had to suffer the Honda Accord debacle with their bad engineering, the Civic diesel overboost problems and the Honda jazz auto problem as well. In all these case Honda basically stuck two fingers up to the owner and washed their hands of serious problems which they knew about well in advance and should have been the subject of recalls which basically made the customer wrong for spending their money on a Honda. I can forgive any company a mechanical glitch but if you tell a customer to**** off 3 times then I get the message now and will never buy another. This is the natural selection of the motor trade, they should be allowed to die off like the dodo company it has become!

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - Frost

Use this company if your VSA light is on, it will cost less than £175 to get it rebuilt and modified so it will not go wrong again.

www.ecutesting.com/catalogue/honda_eculist.html?ca...1

The module is made in germany and is well known in german cars to give problems with their ESP system.aka VSA in Honda.

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - Dingle232
I read this with interest as both the Accord 2.0 i-DTEC and the Mazda 6 are cars I'm potentially looking at to swap my 3 series for. Both are 2011 (61) plate - is the Accord likely to be affected by this issue or have they fixed them after a certain production date?
Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - Avant

Go for a petrol version of either of these and you will do very well. We hardly ever get tales of woe about Japanese petrol engines, but plenty about diesels, particularly the Mazda 6.

Honda Accord 2.2 Diesel - Honda VSA Modulator Failure and other things..... - Dingle232

Thanks Avant I am now seriously considering a petrol for this very reason. However I 'thought' that Hondas were supposed to be pretty bullet proof and that this particular issue related only to the i-CDTi engines and not the i-DTEC - can anyone confirm or otherwise?

I had an issue with that VW ABS legendary problem a week after buying a Golf some years ago and it's one I am not keen to repeat.

 

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