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Well according to an article in HJ "60% of motorists frustrated by slow driving" there are minimum speed limits on 'some' motorways. They should be more of them-and they should be enforced; it's not right for one person to create a traffic jam just so they can record a PB in mpg. I try the hypermiling stuff too, but with due consideration to other drivers. I save the fancy stuff for when I have the road to myself.
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It sounds remarkably similar to the car drivers that you find trundling along motorways at around 50-55mph, meaning 99% of the trucks have to overtake them. They really do constitue a mobile roadblock and a danger to all!
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Hear hear Simon, I couldn't agree more, although, often the speed of these "drivers" is even slower, if a car is being overtaken by trucks, it is going to slow, no question, I personally think there should be large fines and points on licences for such offences.
I reckon most of the traffic jams I come across these days are caused by cars (often with caravans) being driven too slowly.
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Why do you think they named it the LDV Convoy? They are so slow they are ALWAYS to be found at the head of a slow moving Convoy of traffic, with people dicing with death to squeeze past.
Even a LDV Convoy in white is fuggin slow. Odd because usually when you paint a van white it becomes supercar fast. At least they always seem to be driven as if they are......:)
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I'm with Rats there! I just came off the M58, onto the Orrell interchange to get back up north on the M6. It's entirely traffic-lighted now, so you've no decision whether to enter the roundabout yourself; you wait until green. Green was there, lighting my way home but the numpty in the Vauxhall Agila in front (in a very sickly shade of aquamarine I might add) decided he would creep, so we had to sit through another change. Green comes round again, and he drove so slowly I could probably have parked, got out of the car, slapped him across the chops to wake him up, and returned to my car and set off. I didn't want him to hare it, I just wanted to get round the roundabout at a reasonable speed to catch the next set of lights and build my speed for joining the M6. There was an increasing backlog of other cars too.
Ahhh rant over.
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cathartic, isn't it?!
Just because you prefer to take roundabouts with the orientation of the car perpendicular to the direction of motion, doesn't mean you can reasonably expect everyone else to match your lofty standards! :P
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:-P
I just really didn't appreciate being forced to sit through another lights change unnecessarily. I wasn't a knob either; I could have changed lanes or cut him up but I didn't as it's not my style. Cathartic yes. The guy driving didn't have a hat on and wasn't eighty-five years old though which may have given him an teensy weensy excuse for such buffoonery.
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Bobbin, I suffer from the most appalling road rage and I would have reacted in exactly the same way.
I don't think being old is an excuse, we don't cut young drivers much slack with their incompetence, so why should the elderly fare any different?
The dodderers that make my blood boil are the tight wads in luxury cars. There's a frequent offender on the A56 who drives a 2010 audi A6 Avant (3.0!!! TDI)-drives from Helsby to Chester at a steady 40mph. I'm sorry, but if you can blow £25k on a car, you can hardly claim to be unable to afford a tank of diesel.
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I don't think being old is an excuse, we don't cut young drivers much slack with their incompetence, so why should the elderly fare any different?
Good point. Everybody hammers young drivers but ive never seen a youngster drive the wrong way down the M40, but ive seen a pensioner do it. The worst bit is, the pensioner didnt even realise until the police officer mentioned it.
I would speak more about this subject but Avant would probably delete it.
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t ive never seen a youngster drive the wrong way down the M40, but ive seen a pensioner do it. The worst bit is, the pensioner didnt even realise until the police officer mentioned it.
Linford Christie...? He's looking rough but he's not a pensioner.
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I was thinking more of an episode of one of them crash accident police programs where the police had to stop a 80 year old gentleman driving the wrong way on the M40 and his reactions and train of thought was obviously so slow, given the length of time the conversation took, that he shouldnt of been on the road.
I would specify more instances of useless elderly drivers and how they get away with murder but Avant would probably delete it.
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How did you manage to provoke Avant to delete your posts? Normally, the mild mannered accountant gently asks everyone to refrain from libel and long winded posts and generally takes the heat out of bad tempered debates. I would say that his policing is very fair and unobtrusive.
Since Avant must face the wrath of the tyc*** (HJ, not R Murdock) himself if he permits libellous material to persist, I think his censorship is very restrained.
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Bobbin, I suffer from the most appalling road rage and I would have reacted in exactly the same way.
I don't think being old is an excuse, we don't cut young drivers much slack with their incompetence, so why should the elderly fare any different?
The dodderers that make my blood boil are the tight wads in luxury cars. There's a frequent offender on the A56 who drives a 2010 audi A6 Avant (3.0!!! TDI)-drives from Helsby to Chester at a steady 40mph. I'm sorry, but if you can blow £25k on a car, you can hardly claim to be unable to afford a tank of diesel.
Haha good it isn't just me with the simmering rage. Although I've never acted on it; I just shout and then seethe and drive Mr B nuts with ranting about it.
That Audi driver should have his car taken off him; give it to me, and give him a Suzuki Alto or a Honda Jazz. I will drive it like it should be driven!!!!
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Audi or no Audi, a diesel should and is driven like a tractor by old deaf people. The TDI badge ruins an otherwise perfectly good car.
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Says the boy with the automatic S-Type. You'll be wearing a tweed hat before you know it :-P
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Petrol powered. With many horsepowers. At least im not one of them who spends good money on a nice car to then totally ruin it with a tractor noise when i start it up.
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And VW's dreadful FSI petrol engines add to the car?? BTW, FSI is now nothing more than a marketing moniker, since VW have given up on Fuel Stratification. So you have all the complexity of direct injection but without the benefits. I'll take the TDI thanks.
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And VW's dreadful FSI petrol engines add to the car?? BTW, FSI is now nothing more than a marketing moniker, since VW have given up on Fuel Stratification. So you have all the complexity of direct injection but without the benefits. I'll take the TDI thanks.
Babbly bobbly bibbly babbly bibbly BOO!!
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It seems that Jamie has finally lost his marbles. Or become one of the Flowerpot Men.
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We've been here before. When the pills mix with the booze, the rash statements come out in force.
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We've been here before. When the pills mix with the booze, the rash statements come out in force.
What rash statements you on about you jumped up cheeky bastad?
And by the way, who says the moon isnt made out of cheese?
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Well your latest one for a start!
Or the one where you declare a desire to give her [another forum member] one. Yeah, yeah, it was tongue in cheek, post ironic etc etc. Still crass.
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Or the one where you declare a desire to give her [another forum member] one. Yeah, yeah, it was tongue in cheek, post ironic etc etc. Still crass.
Still true! I would. I really would.
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Jamies right. Letting doddering old blokes drive over the age of 80 is wrong. So is allowing immature teenagers behind the wheel.
We need to take the two extremes off the road. For the sake of safety and for cheaper car insurance. Raise the driving age to 21 and take licences away at 70. I know there are cases in both brackets that are more than capable but for the majority I think it prudent to have mature learners and have a retirement age to stop the ever slower OAPs from getting into trouble. This cuts both ways, is fair and means the roads might get quieter and safer.
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With insurance companies queing up to say they dont want business from teenagers it is baffling as to why the driving age hasnt been raised already. They constantly bang on about how at 17 you cant be trusted on the road, so why do we trust them on the road?!?
I think the main problem with the elderly is at 70 they essentially just fill out a form declaring themselves to still be fine to drive, no examination of any thorough sort. Im not saying they should sit a driving test at 70, but some sort of test to determine reactions and maybe even sitting a theory test on timed questions etc would be better, because obviously they all declare themselves ok, then the following year when they run someone over because they couldnt see them THEN they get their licence removed.
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At some point a new driver must be released upon the open road. I think inexperience is inexperience, regardless of the age of passing the driving test. You took to the roads in a state of inexperience and you should extend the same privilege to new drivers. Anything else is an admission of blatent hipocrisy.
Bit like the t*****s who definitely think pension schemes should be reformed but still cling to an outdated model when their own pension entitlements are being determined. Disgusting.
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I agree inexperience is inexperience, i feel someone learning to drive at 27 has just the same level of ability as a 17 year old. I also feel if you just bumped it to 21 it'd go from the group of 18 year old plebs who crash a Saxo into a lamp post on drugs into the batch of 22 year old plebs who crash a Saxo into a lamp post on drugs. My point is with all the stuff the Government puts out of how untrustworthy teenagers are behind the wheel, the pseudo scientists with their "in teenage years your ability to make proper decisions isnt yet fully formed" stuff and insurance companies all less than keen to have teenagers as customers that its surprising the age wasnt raised some time ago. I dont think it should be, i think practically it'll make little difference. In America you can get a learners permit at 15, in Australia i believe they start at 16, in fact its 18ish in most countries so its not like we're drastically younger or that much different to anywhere else really.
The only area where it sort of makes some sense i suppose is that although a 27 year old learner has no more/less ability than a 17 year old (in fact many youngsters have perfect ability in controlling a car) its the attitude, mentality and decision making which does change as you get slightly older. Confidence as well. When i stalled at the lights in a learner car at 17 i absolutely fell apart, but ive met people who started lessons in their 20s and had alot more confidence and were much calmer and it wasnt as much of an issue for them.
Putting someone out onto the road at 21 for the first time instead of 17 doesnt mean they'll be any better/worse a driver, everybody needs to have that first lesson at some point where it takes 7 attempts to move away due to lack of clutch control. They say you're most likely to crash in your first 250 miles of unsupervised driving than at any other time, well everyone has to have at 250 miles at some point. Delaying it wont really help.
Edited by jamie745 on 22/07/2011 at 01:18
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