VAT on 2nd hand cars - rogue-trooper
Am I right in thinking that there is a scheme that dealers use that can allow them to charge VAT on just the profit of 2nd hand cars (second hand margin scheme)? If that is the case, why aren't nearly new vehicles so much cheaper? Are dealers profiting hugely by "charging" VAT and keeping it as profit?

Presumably the biggest depreciation hit is the loss of the VAT element on a new car. As soon as you buy one, you pay the VAT and can't claim it back.
VAT on 2nd hand cars - Altea Ego

there is no vat on second hand cars. Its only paid once, when new. there is no VAT depreciation, just depreciation on the total purchase price. .

VAT on 2nd hand cars - rjr

Dealers account for VAT on second hand cars one of 2 ways:

1. If a car is a VAT qualifying car (i.e. was first purchased by a VAT registered organisation) then VAT is included in the purchase price (to the dealer) and the sales price to the customer.

For example: A dealer buys a VAT qualifying car for £11,750, being £10,000 + VAT and then sells it to a customer for £14,000, being £11,915 + VAT. The difference between the VAT on the purchase and the sale is paid to HMRC.

VAT on £10,000 is £1,750. VAT on £11,915 is £2,085. Therefore VAT payable to HMRC is £2,085 - £1,750 = £335

2. If a car is a non-qualifying car (i.e. has at some point been sold to a non-VAT registered organisation) then VAT is deducted from the vehicle margin .

For example: A dealer buys a non-qualifying car for £11,750 and then sells it to a customer for £14,000. VAT is payable out of the difference between £14,000 and £11,750, being £2,250.

£2,250 * .175 / 1.175 = £335

HMRC receive the same amount of VAT irrespective of the car being VAT qualifying or non-qualifying.

VAT on 2nd hand cars - pd

VAT is only paid on the PROFIT for any goods whether it is a used car, a TV from Currys or something from Tescos.

Yes, the retailer has to pay the full VAT on the selling amount to HMRC....but then they reclaim the VAT on the purchase price only paying the difference between the buying and selling price.

VAT on 2nd hand cars - Cliff Pope

That's true in general, unless:

a) the seller is not VAT-registered, so he cannot reclaim any VAT suffered on purchases

or

b)he correctly charges VAT on sales but has purchased goods not attracting VAT, eg if purchased from a non-VAT registered business or a private individual.

VAT on 2nd hand cars - pd

That's true in general, unless:

a) the seller is not VAT-registered, so he cannot reclaim any VAT suffered on purchases

or

b)he correctly charges VAT on sales but has purchased goods not attracting VAT, eg if purchased from a non-VAT registered business or a private individual.

Hmm...yes..but in case (a) they won't be charging VAT and in case (b) they have to use the margin scheme outlined above (a used car being a prime example). In case (b) a VAT regsitered business will pay exactly the same nett amout of VAT on a purchase/sale as if they'd bought a VAT product. This is well illustrated above.

Either way, a VAT registered dealer pays a proportion of their profit in VAT on each and every sale and the amount is the same regardles of how the car was purchased. Exactly the the same applies to antique dealers etc.

VAT on 2nd hand cars - Manatee

>>Presumably the biggest depreciation hit is the loss of the VAT element on a new car. As soon as you buy one, you pay the VAT and can't claim it back.

If the original purchaser <b>could</b> claim back VAT and it didn't atttract VAT when sold on, that would be the case, but that never happens. As it is, there's no link between the VAT and the initial depreciation. Any initial hit is because buyers won't pay as much for a nearly-new car.

Think about it - if VAT was 300%, would a new car immediately be worth 75% less after purchase?

VAT on 2nd hand cars - Falkirk Bairn

VAT recovery by companies only applies to a small group of companies - the only companies that can reclaim VAT on car purchases are those engaged in the "car industry" not companies that run cars as part of their business as architects, engineers, sales agents.

Qualifying companise that can reclaim the VAT include - car manufacturers, garages, car leasing companies, driving schools, .........................

VAT on 2nd hand cars - Manatee

Qualifying companise that can reclaim the VAT include - car manufacturers, garages, car leasing companies, driving schools, .........................

True of course, but they have to add VAT when they sell on...