2 or 3 points arise here.
The only offence in motoring now is speeding, so if they are under 70, or the speed limit at roadworks, what are they doing wrong?
I hope none of the people complaining are members of the fast lane drivers club; they are imo far worse a driver because of their attitudes (smokers or not!)
And, whislt sitting in any lane is obviously not being aware of your circumstances, anybody here never made a mistake on a motorway etc? Mostly caused by boredom, driving at 1 speed regardless of what other traffic is around etc; its just as bad if you think about it!
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The only offence in motoring now is speeding
Eh? I think not. If that's the case, I think I'll slip out for a drive later, once I've polished off the Weston's Cloudy Scrumpy that I'm currently enjoying... Have a gander here :
www.lawontheweb.co.uk/crimertotable.htm
so if they are under 70 or the speed limit at roadworks what are they doing wrong?
I'm not sure what the actual offence is, but I'm fairly convinced that Westpig, MLC et al would probably wish to speak to anyone who they catch doing this. Besides, rule 264 of The Highway Code states that "You should always drive in the left-hand lane when the road ahead is clear. If you are overtaking a number of slower-moving vehicles, you should return to the left-hand lane as soon as you are safely past."
And whislt sitting in any lane is obviously not being aware of your circumstances anybody here never made a mistake on a motorway etc?
Of course I have, one of which could have killed me and my two passengers. However, I'd class a mistake as a momentary laspe of concentration, not sitting in the middle lane at sub-speed-limit speeds for mile after mile.
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ok, my irony was not up to standard !
However, if you feel the MLOC is worse than the FastLOC then thats your choice.
Personally I hate both sets.
as regards a momentary lapse being less dangerous than the above? Consider that you at least expect them to stay where they are; but those that that swerve all over the place, make unpredicted moves etc etc are not as dangerous?
In my belief they are just as bad, and (arguably), more dangerous to your life?
Oh and the speed limit (clue is in the word) is the limit; not the target; you are entitled to drive at slower speeds than the maximum!
Edited by yorkiebar on 28/12/2009 at 15:52
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as regards a momentary lapse being less dangerous than the above? Consider that you at least expect them to stay where they are; but those that that swerve all over the place make unpredicted moves etc etc are not as dangerous?
Fair point.
Oh and the speed limit (clue is in the word) is the limit; not the target; you are entitled to drive at slower speeds than the maximum!
Couldn't agree more. However, it is extremely inconsiderate, when the inside lane is clear and the outside lane is heavy with members of your FLOC (joke!), to tootle along in the middle lane at 55mph thereby preventing someone who is doing 65mph from passing you. In fact, as I mentioned earlier, it is in direct contravention of The Highway Code and should any accident or incident result from your hogging the middle lane, your refusal to adhere to The HC would be frowned upon in Court.
Edited by Badwolf {P} on 28/12/2009 at 16:02
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You may mistakenly believe I am sticking up for the mloc and the floc ?
Both are as bad as each other !
The main point though, is a momentary mistake can be as (or more) life threatening than those dawdling in a predictable manner !
Make sure your own house is in order before worrying about others too much?
I was always taught to drive my own car, and those of everybody around me; to expect the unexpected, and allow myself room for other peoples errors etc. Good advice then, and more so now !
Oh and if it was a motoring offence, the police would be pulling these drivers up and showing them the errors of their ways? They only appear to stop (or catch on film) those motorists speeding? Understand irony btw ?
Edited by yorkiebar on 28/12/2009 at 16:06
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CLOG members are at the very least guilty of S3 RTA 1988 Driving Without Reasonable Consideration For Other Road Users
What gets you into FLOC? I have a horrible feeling I might be in that club. I do fastidiously revert back to the middle or inside lane when I can, but tend to spend most of my time in lane 3 nowadays...(although it changes on the more rural motorways, but sadly I don't often use them). Can you clarify please, i'd like to know if some of the population despises me and hitherto i've been ignorant of the fact...:-)
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membership of the FLOC is probably easier to obtain than mloc?
If you drive at 65/70 (I often do as I dont consider myself important enough to have to rush to/for anyone) then you will observe the important people flying along in the fast lane (outside lane for the correct identification) flashing headlights, sitting on bumpers etc to anybody who dares hold up their progress. Twice as dangerous as mloc members, who just dawdle along (admittedly unaware of their surroundings) but at a steady speed that can be worked around.
On a serious note (oh I was already) its perfectly possible to travel at or around 70 mph on motorways and use the inside lane the majority of the time ! My last trip of around 150 miles of M6/M42/M5/M4 was completed at or aound 70 mph and I visited the outside lane 5 or 6 times, and spent much more time in the inside lane than the middle lane, not having to alter my speed (other than through my choice) at all.
It depends on attitude and consideration as to what lane you spend most of your time in !
Think about that line and where you spend most of your motorway mileage before jumping in with any response!
Only a few years ago I used to compete for the space in the fast lane, (Im no angel) and found out I could get to same destination much more relaxed, more economically, and more importantly safer by adjusting my speed to around 70, rather than the 70/80 most try to achieve. Calculate the difference in time it takes to complete a journey at 5/10 mph slower and weigh the benefits; but I know it wont suit all!
For me, speed and aggression has its place; its just not on the road !
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I find it interesting that some think speed = aggression automatically. It can do of course, but equally so it can also mean someone simply wishes to drive faster than someone else does....and if they drive with a decent gap, are not pushy and have their wits about them, then so be it in my book.
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So someone driving over 70 (I have no objection to speed regardless what you may believe), lights on in the outside lane, flashing the driver in front, sitting on their bumper is only speed not aggression ?
It is observed daily on our motorways; whether you see it or not is due to various reasons of course!
Way more dangerous than mloc dawdlers !
Especially if the car in front refuses (or is unable) to move over for this important person because he will often move into middle lane to facilitate his passing manouevre if he is blocked for any time !
Thats not excusing mloc dawdlers; its more " there is more than 1 problem out there" and different problems affect/bother different people!
If I have offended you and you want to continue your membership of the FLOC, feel free. I wont call the police or anything!
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Thats not excusing mloc dawdlers; its more " there is more than 1 problem out there" and different problems affect/bother different people! >>
Two wrongs do not make a right, but nevertheless I suppose you will carry on supporting CLOGs [and b.t.w. you protest so much so that I suspect you are one yourself ;-) ].
If I have offended you and you want to continue your membership of the FLOC, feel free. I wont call the police or anything! >>
note to yorkie: Westpig = West + pig = West London copper
M6 roadworks Friday night. They sat in the middle lane through the roadworks at 45. The left lane was clear. They didn't move across. >>
I think most roadworks instruct you to "stay in lane".
Edited by jbif on 28/12/2009 at 21:17
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Westpig = west london copper = above the law ????? I doubt it, but it certainly doesnt excuse his ignorance of the FLOC ! And in no way would it excuse the motoring antics of the floc! Btw I am not scared of police; they should only bother you if you have cause for their services (either friendly or opposite)
You believe me to be a mloc, you are welcome to; but you would be surprised !
Speed (and aggresion) has its place: its not the roads though!
I conduct my speed and aggression in a controlled area (admittedly in uncontrolled manner at times!)
The root cause of mloc, floc, wrong lanes at roundabouts, parking problems et al is almost certainly down to (lack of) attitude and consideration to other people (not just drivers)!
In which lane of the motorway do you spend most of your time may I ask ? I would guess either the middle or the outside!
Consider your own driving habits before hitting others maybe?
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Speed (and aggresion) has its place: its not the roads though! >>
Well, it seems that the correct place for agression is this forum, innit? ;-)
Peace and happiness to all slinkers, mimsers, smokers, and CLOGs in 2010.
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Don't think they did say stay in lane. Would have remembered if they had I think. I think they only used to say stay in lane as specs enforcement failed when you switched lanes....
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I think they only used to say stay in lane as specs enforcement failed when you switched lanes.... >>
That is reported to be a myth:
www.avforums.com/forums/motoring/986940-average-sp...l
www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/21/speed_camera_myth/
In any case, "stay in lane" notices have been around for a long time, long before "SPEC" was ever even on the drawing board.
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I used to be full-time FLOC Wp, and I still get out there quite often.
But the global mimsefest has worn me down a bit. In unfamiliar territory I often hang back to see what the experienced traffic is doing for fear of electronic law enforcement.
And of course these days, when all their brake lights go on and they slow to an unreasonably low speed to pass a camera, I would sail past at 2mph over the limit if the malevolent mimsing so-and-sos weren't doing it in all three lanes without a thought for the actual real speed limit or indeed for anything at all...
FLOC has the highest proportion of actual proper drivers on the motorway, almost 30 per cent sometimes on a good day if the gods are smiling. There are some really good fast white vans when you're lucky. But the good times - moments really, if you get ten minutes you're lucky - are all too short and getting rarer too.
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I tried being a CLOGer once, middle lane, eased off to 45mph in 70, but CLOGers just seem to slow down, very few overtook me.
Disappointed that a ton of boy racers sit in the middle lane, kinda expected them to take a pride in their driving.
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I just undertake 'em if there's room to do so. I don't think I've ever had one so much as notice, never mind get annoyed.
Driving on rails, totally oblivious to their surroundings.
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"I just undertake 'em if there's room to do so. I don't think I've ever had one so much as notice, never mind get annoyed.
Driving on rails, totally oblivious to their surroundings."
Thats it exactly, not good, not safe, not clever, but easily passed, and less dangerous than the weaving unpredictables out there !
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