Only tried evil bay selling of a car once, a very low mileage and excellent 124 Diesel.
Fending off the most bizarre comments and questions, followed by someone agreeing a buy it now and ending the auction early who then failed to show soured the whole thing, i shall never use it again for car sale.
Far too many chavs and other assorted undesirables for me, though some sellers seem to fare well and good luck to them.
It seems a lifetime ago that someone's word meant anything, alright that sounds old hat now but i can't be alone...can i?
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>>>>It seems a lifetime ago that someone's word meant anything
I, GordonB, and Peter Hitchens see eye to eye on that one
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I never thought of that either.... rofl.
I'm no expert but I imagine ebay are wary of frivolous or vexatious claims from buyers. Especially at the bottom end of the car market. Would the disgruntled buyer have to show a very good case before paypal agreed to withhold the money?
I'll get it transferred as soon as poss.........
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Avoid PayPal like the plague. Just do a google for "PayPal problems" for hundreds (if not thousands) of problems.
The "rules" are all stacked in the buyers favour.
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I've only experienced it once.
Ten per cent deposit by Paypal at the end of auction, the rest in cash at a bank, building society or Post office where you transfer the funds immediately to your own account.
The money is checked by experts, so no problems with 'funny money'. You don't have to store or carry the cash around and there's probably CCTV.
If the buyer doesn't agree, then there's probably a very good reason and I don't want to deal with them.
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New ebay rules come into effect shortly whereby you must supply ebay with a 'payment' method, eg debit or credit card. If a buyer disputes the state of the goods, paypal take from your paypal account or the registered card. I suppose you could move funds asap then report your debit/credit card lost/stolen to your bank, but all appears somewhat fraught with danger. It takes paypal several days to move funds to your bank account. I've had success with auto trader every time -small houseehold stuff only on ebay.
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the winner got it for just over £400 then messaged to say he'd lost his job (what, on sunday night? lol) so I've got second chance offers thrown out to the also rans.
I have been told that you can take your paypal funds out straight away and that the disgruntled buyer has to have a very very good case before paypal will start messing you about. But hey, what do I know.
I'm more bothered about some dodgy fool wanting to take the whole V5 so he can sell it on as a trader. oh well. I wouldn't sell a car for more than about a grand on ebay.
And I'd fend off the lunatics with a more strongly worded description!!!!!
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"Would the disgruntled buyer have to show a very good case before paypal agreed to withhold the money? "
The ability to have money refunded to buyers unhappy with their purchase on ebay does not extend to used cars. The rules are different for car buyers.
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Can only second the negative Paypal comments. Why even bother with a deposit via paypal? If the buyer is genuine they'll turn up soon enough with the notes.
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>>Why even bother with a deposit via paypal
Because it puts the buyer in a position where they've committed some funds and if they turn up with less than the agreed price the seller can keep the deposit to cover their costs.
I tend to keep my cars for several years and then sell privately - I've met some seriously strange people.
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I tend to keep my cars for several years and then sell privately - I've met some seriously strange people.
I wouldn't dream of selling a car privately these days, though I have sold several in the past.
Too many nutters and people with strange ideas; not worth the aggrovation.
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the good news! The second chance route worked. The buyer who came second jumped at the chance, even though logic tells me that if all the bids of the winner were voided, it means that he had effectively been bidding against himself.
Anyway I still insisted on the paypal route because that's part of the deal. What I mean is, with this form of prior payment he then can't agree to pay x pounds, then turn up, um and ah, and offer x-n pounds.
Deal went off no trouble but I was lucky i think. I'd do it again but, as I say, put in big capitals - paypal only, please do not offer cash for me to cancel the auction or send me your mobile number!
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You don't get the downside of paypal then. Although someone above says it does not apply to cars.
We have had one member sell a laptop and it gets sent back in pieces claiming it was like that. He was lucky and didn't lose out. But paypal favours the buyer.
And it takes several days for the money from a paypal account to reach a bank account. Plenty of time for it to be pulled back. Why does it take so long now? Fast Pay means funds can be transferred in seconds in the UK rather than days.
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I tend to keep my cars for several years and then sell privately - I've met some seriously strange people.
There are two types of people I especially love.
1. They phone up for a car you have advertised at £2000 (no offers). "will you take £1000 for it", "no as I said in the advert no offers", "how about £1500"....."how about you come and look at it first and I won't take less than £2000" "so you won't take more than £1500"....."(click)" the sound of me having had enough.
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"Have you still got the car"...."yes", "can I come round and see it", "yes", "will you take £1000 for it"....."(click)", usually the brother of the first caller :-)
The others are the people who want to come round, pretty much MOT it on your driveway, put 40 miles on the car, waste 3 hours of your time and then tell you they are going to think about it!
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Oh dear! I can be accused of being in the latter category.
Some people get very upset if you tell them you don't want the car they've got for sale, at any price.
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I had a great experience selling my old, tired Mondeo mk2 diesel on Ebay. Insisted on cash on collection, invited people to view before buying, and made it clear in big font that the winning bid was the final price. As it turned out, a very nice Polish gentleman bought it to take back to Poland and sell on. Turned up as agreed, kicked the tyres, handed over the cash, did the paperwork over a coffee and a chat, and drove away. Totally painless.
For a conventional sale. I think it's quite legitimate to ask over the phone if the price is flexible (if the ad doesn't say), but making an actual offer by phone is a ridiculous thing to do. I mean, apart from simply winding up the seller, how can you offer £1500 for a car that might not be worth £15 when you look at it?
If I go to look at a car and it's no good, I usually just say there's another one I want to look at while I'm in the area, and I'll be in touch if I'm interested after I've seen it. Unless someone has outright lied to me in the description of the car and I've driven a long way, as happened when we were looking for a Fiesta a few years ago. In effect, we drove 42 miles to see a car with a different sized engine to that advertised, in a different colour to that advertised, and with the advertised "full service history" being a verbal assurance that "my mate dunnit cash, innit". This particular idiot got it with both barrels.
On the whole though, having bought and sold 20-odd cars privately, and anything from £50 two month ticket crusher-dodgers to five-figure semi decent stuff, I find most buyers pretty straightforward to deal with, and have yet (touch wood) to buy a pup or be conned by a seller. That said, I would NEVER bid on a car on Ebay without seeing it (and preferably driving it) first.
Edited by DP on 23/09/2009 at 13:10
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