Hi here's a car similar to what my mate was looking at but this one's immaculate and obviously been cherished
tinyurl.com/5ftslr
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If you look at the related vids you can find other similar cars including a Cadillac with this engine and an Olds Toronado Diesel for sale by Forrest Gump! See Oldsmobile Diesel Vid two and follow the links. Engine actually sounds quite strong if a little noisy
Edited by Mattbod on 29/10/2008 at 15:59
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GB
I am with you all the way - give me a V8 and slushbox anyday.
When I was in Texas a breakdown truck pulled out of a side road and two black columns of smoke shot into the air - my US friend said that has a CAT V8 diesel in it - it did sound nice.
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two black columns of smoke shot into the air - my US friend said that has a CAT V8 diesel in it - it did sound nice.
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TBH i don't like to see that, constant overfuelling to gain only a fraction more power.
I as i've probably bored you with before was a great fan of big Cummins diesels in trucks, they had massive and constant torque from tickover revs and in correct tune all you could hear was the lovely gentle whistle of the turbo spinning with just a slight trace of black smoke as you went back under power following gearchange, a true drivers engine and a pleasure to drive. Not the 10 litre, that was plainly a horrid lump, no better than anything else, but the 14 litre was the one.
I haven't driven a CAT engine myself but understand they were if anything even better than the Cummins, must be some engine.
I've seen trucks that have been way overfuelled, belching black smoke out and generally running as sick as a dog with no efficient torque at all, all show and no go.
I wonder what it is about a torquey petrol V8 that causes that boyish enthusiasm, there isn't a car sound quite like it, the Rover V8's sounded quite nice but being so small somehow the sound didn't delve into the pit of your stomach where a 5 litre or above will, i still wind the window down sharpish if a likely candidate is within earshot for my ''V8 fix''.
It does amuse me when young chaps do the same when they see a 4cyl Subaru, am i the only one who thinks that is possibly the worlds most awful sounding engine?
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1)Gordonbennett if you look at the video posted on V8 trucks above you will see that some people have actually modified their trucks to produce excess smoke which is crazy! .
2)Talking of Cummins I think the new ISX 14 litre engine comes with a particulate filter so no smoke at all. I do like the 5.9 Cummins in the Dodge Ram. According to owners I have met it outlasts the rest of the truck. I agree with you on the V8. If such things are made prohibitively expensive here I will just have to move to America. Unlike here the nanny state doesn't rule!
3) Subaru Boxer 4 not a bad sounding engine, depends on the pipes. Best flat 4 is the one in the Alfa Sud IMHO
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new ISX 14 litre engine comes with a particulatefilter so no smoke at all. >>
1. Agreed, dreadful stink and pollution for no appreciable gain.
Just been having a 2 stroke, detroit V8 and deltic fix following your link, i feel better now.
2. DPF, i know they're all at it or similar due to legislation. I should imagine even they have lost that tremendous low speed grunt that made them so wonderful, economical too. I always thought those cummins engined pick ups would be the bees knees, was that the same engine that Leyland fitted to their 7.5 ton trucks (roadrunner IIRC) in the 80's?
I think an awful lot of us would like to get out, and many decent folk are, not just because of the nanny.
3. Sorry can't do it, a 4 cyl engine just don't do anything for me in the sound stakes.
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GB said:
>if a likely candidate is within earshot for my ''V8 fix''.
Mattbod said:
>I agree with you on the V8. If such things are made prohibitively expensive here I will just
>have to move to America.
If you guys live anywhere near Basingstoke I may be able to help.
A 5.7 Chevy with US spec exhausts?
£1 per minute to listen or £2 per minute if you want to push the loud pedal.
Much cheaper than an 0898 number!
Kevin...
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Much cheaper than an 0898 number!
Thats almost tempting, we need help..;)
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Gordonbennett the Cummins engine fitted to the Dodge Ram is a development of their 5.9 litre midrange engine so a derivative might have been fitted to the Leyland. However it is quite a modern engine with a 4 valve head and common rail injection. It is a straight 6 rather than a V8 but a very fine and long lasting work horse. I only experienced the 5.9 litre engine in Belize as it runs well "dirty" high sulphur Diesel. For the home market a 6.7 litre version of the 6 has been launched that will run on low sulphur stuff.
Have heard a Deltic used to see them as a kid before they were pulled in the 80s, loved the scream as they wound up. Even a Paxman V12 in an Intercity sounds great when really given the beans,sad I know. I've never experienced a Detroit V8 so give me the link, I understand Greyhound buses in the U.S ran them and wondered wy their engines sounded sporty and high pitched compared to our coach motors, is that because they are two stroke?
Anyway £2 to blip the throttle of a Yankee V8, hmmm in these troubled times I'll just stick with my Bullitt and Dukes of Hazard DVDs!
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I've never experienceda Detroit V8 so give me the link I understand Greyhound buses in the U.S
Try this tinyurl.com/55xgcn
I think hemi pete may be hooked on these as well, nothing wrong with that.
If you were an unashamed anorak like me and joined the Deltic preservation society, they do keep several Deltics in running order, and during the warmer weather arrange long distance away day trips, brings a tear to the eye and memories of long ago being awed by these a boy.
Edit, worth listening to the Jacob (Jake) brake's whilst there too, tremendous retarder and sound good, where most other types sound noisy and thats it.
Edited by gordonbennet on 30/10/2008 at 09:27
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a Detroit V8 so give me the link I understand Greyhound buses in the U.S Try this tinyurl.com/55xgcn
Reminds me of going to watch truck racing at Donnington in the late 80s, most of the field were the proper stripped out Mercs/ Dafs/ Volvos in racing livery. But then there was a mad Dutch bloke in a Peterbilt, it looked stock apart from numbers on the doors, it had a sleeper cab and IIRC he used to drive it to races and sleep in the back!
Was not particularly competitive but boy did it sound good! Watching it accelerate down the straight was the highlight of the day..
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>I'll just stick with my Bullitt and Dukes of Hazard DVDs!
No Daisy Duke shorts I'm afraid but it's a nice soundtrack:
tinyurl.com/5eea99
Kevin...
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"A 5.7 Chevy"
Camaro by any chance? Z28?
I came within a smidgeon of treating myself to one of those after my divorce. Long story short - got a new wife instead.
V8 Jag, V8 Chevy...
Can I buy you a drink Kevin, I feel another divorce coming on?
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>Camaro by any chance? Z28?
Yup.
I bought it new in '96 when I was on assignment in Austin, Texas and had it shipped over when we came back to the UK.
>I came within a smidgeon of treating myself to one of those after my divorce. Long story
>short - got a new wife instead.
My wife chose the colour (Bright Red) and spec when I ordered it and refers to it as 'her' car. It's the only car we've owned where she'd fight over who was driving. I think the only thing we'd swap it for is an Ultima or C6/Z06 Corvette.
>V8 Jag, V8 Chevy...
>Can I buy you a drink Kevin, I feel another divorce coming on?
Only if you're driving ;-)
Kevin...
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"I think the only thing we'd swap it for is an Ultima or C6/Z06 Corvette"
I did a photo shoot last year with a C6. I never drove it unfortunately, but the guy who did managed to spin it a full 180 - just leaving the dealership. We were wetting ourselves in the car behind but I doubt the staff were impressed. An amazing car. If you buy one of those, you'd have to beat the wife off it with a stick.
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>I never drove it unfortunately, but the guy who did managed to spin it a full 180 - just leaving the dealership.
The throttle on a Corvette, like the Z28, is fairly heavy but also very sensitive. The slightest movement has instant response especially in lower gears. You need a few minutes to get used to it if you don't want the rear end to break away.
>If you buy one of those, you'd have to beat the wife off it with a stick.
If there's one thing I've learned with Mrs. K is that even if I win I lose.
Kevin...
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to get used to it if you don't want the rear end to break away.
Kevin, i had the previous shape camaro to you, an 86 model, good car quick enough fair on fuel and very cheap on parts as you would probably agree (a good parts importer in Northants).
IIRC i bought it at 3 or so years old having been owned by a homebound member of USAF, and it was shod on US tyres which though fine in the dry were appalling in the wet, 4 wheel steering comes to mind.
I swapped them over to good quality European tyres and the car was transformed into a controllable and very pleasant RWD cruiser, as good as any European car of the time.
Just wondering how tyred you are.;)
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>I swapped them over to good quality European tyres and the car was transformed into a
>controllable and very pleasant RWD cruiser, as good as any European car of the time.
American cars come in for alot of stick over here and some rightly so, but some are also pretty damn good. I just wish that they'd spend a few extra $ on the interior.
>Just wondering how tyred you are.;)
My car came from the factory on 245/50-16 Goodyear Eagles because I'd ordered the optional wheel/tyre package. It was rather odd in that if you ordered it with standard wheels and tyres, the top speed was electronically limited.
When I needed new tyres in the UK I tried to get a set of Bridgestones but they are not available in Europe in the size I need and you can't import them if they don't have an 'E' mark. Goodyear Eagles were on a 2 to 3 month lead time so I plumped for a set of Avon ZZ1s which was a big mistake.
It's now on Kumho Ecsta which I rate as highly as the Goodyears.
Kevin...
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the Rover V8's sounded quite nice but being so small somehow the sound didn't delve into the pit of your stomach where a 5 litre or above will
I think a Rover V8 can sound good with the right exhaust, like in a TVR. But I know what you mean with the bigger capacity V8s.
My best "fix" in recent years was Santa Pod for the Mopar Euronationals; lots of 60s muscle cars running around with 6 and 7 litre engines, some with open headers. Just taxiing around the pits they make a gorgeous scary noise. European V8s sound far too polite and muffled in comparison.
Edited by Rich 9-3 on 30/10/2008 at 10:37
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My best "fix" in recent years was Santa Pod >> far too polite and muffled in comparison.
There seems to be many of us i suppose they'd call us 'petrol heads' still around, thank goodness we haven't all been brainwashed...yet, i confess i have no intention of growing up.
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Hear hear! I have no intention of growing up and I would rather take a bus than drive a hybrid or an electric car. I do hope the motor industry continue to refine the internal combustion engine rather than pander to the lefties and go electric. "Petrol head" may be too narrow a term as there are a lot of Diesel Motors out there that are wonderful as well: Just call me an old fashioned enthusiast!
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Plenty of American cars out here in the Gulf; mostly huge SUVs with 6 or more often 8 cylinders. I read yesterday that American manufacturers are happily dumping their unsold gas-guzzlers on the Saudi market at low low prices.
Yet whilst petrol is cheap (20p/litre anyone!?), they don't even bother to import or refine good quality diesel fuel, meaning that you can't buy or run a diesel car out here even if you want to.
Isn't it the same problem in the US: keep petrol cheap and nobody will bother with investigating the merits (or not) of diesel? Isn't there a big conspiracy theory about this on the web somewhere, concocted by Congress/oil companies?!
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I had a 2008 Chevy Impala 3.5 a couple of weeks back and got 32 mpg (UK) in over 1,000 miles of mainly highway driving due to the very long gearing (1,800 rpm in top at 70 - GPS or indicated as the speedo doesn't overread like cars here).
If that had been a diesel it would probably not have made it past 40 mpg with, say, the 3.0 cdti engine out of the Vectra.
At $3.39 for a gallon of diesel and $2.69 for petrol (roughly 70c/4l or 11p/litre, which is what we pay extra here) that would work out at 10.5c/mile whether diesel or petrol - so 25% better fuel consumption is immediately countered by 25% more expensive fuel.
At those prices, there is absolutely no incentive to switch from a simple, unstessed OHV V6 to a complex, expensive to fix and manufacture diesel engine. Even if fuel consumption and CO2 emissions are slightly lower, it would take much higher oil prices and taxation to make diesel a viable option - and there'd be an even greater switch to smaller cars before that happened.
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Some rather large fuel price fluctuations reported in the US: forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=224873&page=8
In some locations, diesel reportedly cheaper than gas, but seems there are volatile market conditions:)
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I have noticed though that VW has launched the 140 bhp common rail Diesel in the Jetta in the U.S and are selling it as a green car to rival the Prius.
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