Holly smoke - that was dramatic
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I hadn't watched it yet, thanks for letting me know.
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I hadn't watched it yet thanks for letting me know.
Dont bother now
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I'm waiting for my eyes to recover, I was behind someone who was dazzling me with their brakelights earlier today.
Congrats to the man though, absolutely fantastic.
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I hadn't watched it yet thanks for letting me know.
Any time.No problem.
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So, so chuffed for him and the team.
And done in that classic British tradition of going down to the absolute wire, and looking for a while like all hope was lost!! Fantastic, nailbiting climax to a brilliant season, and an object lesson in the benefits of keeping a clear head in the most apparently hopeless of circumstances.
Shame the Brazilian crowd were a disgrace, but then I suppose emotions were running high.
A richly deserved title.
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It was worth watching just to see the Ferrari pit crew dancing with delight after the finish........and then the look on their faces when the realised Hamilton had overtaken Glock!
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It was worth watching just to see the Ferrari pit crew dancing with delight after the finish........and then the look on their faces when the realised Hamilton had overtaken Glock!
That was one of the most truly heartwarming sights in any sporting event in recent memory IMHO.
Just added to the sweetness of the moment ;-)
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I hadn't watched it yet thanks for letting me know.
BBD,
Fast forward to the last lap and save yourself an hour and a half of your life :)
Well Done to Maclaren and Lewis.
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A fantastic race, and a richly deserved title for Lewis. The first of many for him I hope.
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well done lewis and all the team..... my misses is in bits ( Italian) ha ha ha
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Phew...:-))
It's so easy for some to forget that Lewis came so close in his first season to landing the driver's title and equally as close less than half-an-hour ago to suffering the same fate.
A remarkable record for a mere rookie..:-)
Let's also praise Hamilton and Massa for doing exactly what was required of them in the final race - no team boss could ask for anything more.
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What are the chances of Glock driving for MacLaren next season??
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Due to time out caused by website problems, this point couldn't be made above:
Hamilton's aggregate points total during those two years is more than that of any other driver - a remarkable record for a mere rookie...:-)
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Well do to Lewis, Dennis and the whole team in Weybridge something Britain truly has done well at is GP yes it a global sport but the boy did it !!
Well done
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Well do to Lewis Dennis and the whole team in Weybridge something Britain truly has done well at is GP yes it a global sport but the boy did it
Woking. Weybridge is 4 miles away and three stops on the railway.
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coulthard for bbc coverage next season?
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Please NO.
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Please NO. your option then please AE
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I am with DD. Brundle and the guy from 5 live
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I am with DD. Brundle and the guy from 5 live
Agree, Jonathan Legard.
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Hold on guys, there's still time for Ferrari to find some reason to make an objection to the stewards. Me cynical nah....
But what a race.
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coulthard for bbc coverage next season?
Brundle:- "We regret that DC will be late in for work as he has been involved in an accident on the way in this morning."
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and another thing.. if that tramp... james allen gets the gig i wont be buying a bbc tv licence again
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"We regret that DC will be late in for work as he has been involved in an accident on the way in this morning."
Ha ha ha ha ha. Fantastic.
Crashed leaving his driveway? Spun off on the slip road? Mowed down a petrol pump attendant?
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Well done Lewis & Ron- Genuine edge of the seat stuff for the last couple of laps. Felt sorry for Massa, he seems like a decent chap but I'm sure his time will come too.
As for the coverage next year, goodbye and good riddan luck to James Allen, bring Brundle and pair him up with the five live chap; I've read that DC will also be part of the coverage. The beeb will do it well, I'm sure. Maybe we can get a bit of Murray too
And now to Top Gear, not a bad Sunday, just need Andrew Castle booted off strictly for a good Sunday night.
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Woking. Weybridge is 4 miles away and three stops on the railway. The Maclaren Base next to Ashford and St Peters Hospital is nearer Weybridge !!3.9 miles vs 5 !! The difference between 1st and 2nd !
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Well done, Lewis deserved it against all the odds, I'd have also been happy seeing Massa win it, but surely that was a put-up job??
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>> Woking. Weybridge is 4 miles away and three stops on the railway. >> >> The Maclaren Base next to Ashford and St Peters Hospital is nearer Weybridge !!3.9 miles vs 5 !! The difference between 1st and 2nd !
Paul I live there, your wrong. MaClaren is on the junction of the A320 chertsey road / Martyrs Lane, in the borough of Woking. Its 2.3 miles to Woking town centre, and 5 miles by road to Weybridge town centre.
There is a very good walk behind the factory btw.
Edited by Altea Ego on 02/11/2008 at 19:56
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Don't ever be tempted to do the factory tour at Williams - cost an arm and a leg and it was over in about half an hour; was timed so only bits of exhibits were lit at any one time and so when the lights went out, you had no choice but to move on. A better day out would be the Donington collection I reckon.
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Rather the result I was hoping for. MacLaren didn't look as if they were going to win unless it rained quite a lot or Ferrari started on less fuel than they were claiming. And Massa looks so upset when things don't go right for him. He could barely contain his tears at not winning both crowns at once.
Praise due to Fisichella for not taking Hamilton off while being passed and Anthony Hamilton for praising the personal qualities of the Massa family. And to wicked old Bernie for telling us how difficult it is getting to ensure an exciting climax to the season. And to Coulthard for being so stoical when punted off at the first corner through no fault of his.
And to Massa for containing his tears, jsut, at merely winning his home GP at age whippersnapper, and to Hamilton for driving coolly and deserving the championship.
Edited by Lud on 02/11/2008 at 20:37
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Courtesy of babel fish......... as reported in La Gazzetta dello Sport
Mass, the Victoria more bitter Lewis champion of the world
Felipe wins in Brasi them, Lewis fifth after a crazy end with decisive overtaking to Glock to the penultimate curve. To the Ferrari the title it constructors
Lewis Hamilton, 23 years, celebrates the title iridato it. AP
SAINT PAUL (Brasi them), 2 November 2008 - Felipe Mass has gained the GP of Brasi them, Lewis Hamilton, fifth, is the champion of the world of 2008. But behind all this there is the history of the perhaps more unforgettable GP and moving of the history of this sport. That today elect young he has iridato of its white one of gold. A worthy champion, today on the hem of second a clamorous blow like the past year: to two turns from the end he has looked at himself to remove the fifth place from Sebastian Vettel.
DIABOLIC DIRECTION - a diabolic direction in fact had triggered the rain to 5 returned from the goal and Lewis has seemed to still go in doll. It has mistaken refraining and Vettel has been put davanti. Col sixth place the title it era of Mass, the Torcida is exploded. But to the penultimate curve Vettel and Hamilton they have passed Toyota of Glock that had not been stopped to change rubbers. The incredible one has become truth: a title it is ended in the hands of Lewis in this concitato, crazy end with esultante people or to box the Ferrari, or to box the McLaren.
DISAPPOINTMENT FERRARI - The Ferrari consoles with the title it iridato constructors. More important has not lost the title it because today Hamilton has closed fifth behind to Alonso, Raikkonen and Vettel. It has lost for the many little ones errors and problems that during the year have determined this it classifies. Today to Hamilton it was enough to arrive thus fifth and, or also extraordinarily, has been. But to arrive to this contest in this situation has been objective decisive. And the regretted ones are enormous as the disappointment of Felipe on the podio. Mass has disputed the better season of its life, has gained 6 GP, in more of avails again. The F2008 also today has demonstrated of being the totally better car. But the champion is Hamilton.
TRAPS - and therefore honor to this 23enne English that enrolls its name in most prestigious of the white ones of gold. Meritatamente also because as already happened in China Lewis it has in the first place defeated the ghosts and avoided all, but own all the traps scattered on the 71 turns of these crowds run. The heavy shower to two minuteren from the way, the first curve, the attacks of Vettel and Alonso that it have blown the position after the first pit stop. Then a contest of perfect management, very helped from the McLaren wall. But to 7 turns from fine the anchor the rain to replace in argument all. Mass that cuts the goal, Toyota of Glock that is not stopped, the overtaking of Vettel, the Torcida that urla making oneself to feel also in Europe, the force not to let go and to go to pass Glock to two curves from the goal. This time the point in to more has he us, the incubus has become dream. It compliments Lewis.
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If it`s announced that Glock is driving for MClaren next year, would there seem to be any problems or any rules broken?
Edited by oilrag on 02/11/2008 at 20:53
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The Italian and Brazilian press and comments seem to think that Glock has been "bought"
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The Italian and Brazilian press and comments seem to think that Glock has been "bought"
glockenspeil sour grappens
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If Ferrari can have bought the FIA, seems only right Mclaren can buy a driver although there would have been no way Mclaren would have predicted the outcome. Its pretty well documented how hard it is to drive on dry tyres in the wet afterall.
Well done Lewis - I bet he is feeling rather smug and rightly so. Roll on next year.
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Well done to Lewis, despite the poor [as always] strategy of McLaren. Even Force India managed to get Fisichella in front of Lewis after the opening wet laps. That alone cost Lewis a lot of wasted time in trying to get past Fisi. What were McLaren thinking keeping Lewis out for an extra lap when it was clear even to James Allen that it was time to change tyres after the first few laps?
Glock's explanation of his last few corners:
www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=44511
Edited by jbif on 02/11/2008 at 21:26
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As mentioned in the commentary; once the slicks lose temperature, they go from partial grip to "driving on oiled ice."
A wet-shod Hamilton, doing around 145mph to Glocks 50, pulled a six second finishing lead out in only 300yds after passing him.
If Glock alone had slowed, all the other dry-shod runners would have caught him too. They didn't; like him, they were just concentrating on keeping it on the track.
McLaren actually told Hamilton, some time earlier, to forget risking a tangle with Vettel, he would see Glock on the final lap and to get past him.
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Glocks time for the final lap using the dry tyres - 1'44".
Trulli's time for the same lap, also on dry tyres - 1'44".
No conspiracy, just superior strategy.
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Im a Ferrari fan and I dont think there is a conspiracy, they gambled on the dries and it didnt work, it almost did but not quite!
Also, from what I have read on Italian news sites they are full of praise of Hamilton.
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Also, from what I have read on Italian news sites they are full of praise of Hamilton.
Yes, it seems the majority of the negative comments [and conspiracy theories] are coming from the Spanish. Alonso and his supporters are the about the only ones who are doing Lewis down.
p.s. Kubica played a part in the overtake that Vettel managed at the end over Lewis.
Edited by jbif on 02/11/2008 at 23:23
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Alonso and his supporters are the about the only ones who are doing Lewis down.
I had forgotten to mention Alonso's impeccable, discreet drive to a fairly close second place. Alonso is consistent, smooth and very, very quick, and continues a major force to be reckoned with. Mediatised gamesmanship apart, he did nothing remotely unsporting today and the only thing he did against Hamilton was stay in front of him, surely what racing drivers are supposed to do...
I would think it highly unlikely that Alonso himself would have or sympathise with any unpleasantly personal or racist comment on Hamilton. He can't be blamed for perhaps having someone else as his favourite person of course.
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.. Alonso's impeccable, discreet drive to a fairly close second place
Agreed. Alonso is a brilliant driver, assisted by a brilliant team with fast strategy calls, and gets podiums despite having a crap car. Unlike Kovalienen.
Glock sorry for Massa, says he was unaware influence on the final result:
www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71968
"He added: "I really don't know where Lewis overtook me because four cars past me left and right, left and right. I was just concentrating to keep the car on the track. That was the only way.
"To handover and help Lewis or help Felipe, definitely not. In a race situation like this, you can never plan before and definitely there were no thoughts about that.
"When you see the laptime, the lap before I did a 1m28, and on that last lap I did a 1m48. It was just not driveable anymore."
The Toyota driver said he felt sorry for Felipe Massa, but he was sure the Brazilian understands his position. "
Massa is magnanimous in his praise of Lewis:
www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71944
" ... we need to congratulate Lewis as he did a great championship, he scored more points than us so he deserves to be champion. .."
Alonso on Hamilton:
Silence so far.
Edited by jbif on 02/11/2008 at 23:46
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I cooked dinner early, and took a stroll to my local boozer, where the local racing fraternity and assorted petrolheads hang out for F1 and MotoGP races.
Yep, a very very boring 1 and a half hours, with the partisan brits praying for rain, a pitlane error from the boys in red etc.
Massive cheers from the boys in red - there's more of those muppets here than enough - when Vettel was in fifth, even bigger cheers from them when Massa crossed the line, and then a lot of moping when Hamilton went past Glock!
How we laughed - especially at the Ferrari pit's moment of realisation.
Do you think Bernie perhaps had a word with the man upstairs, to organise the weather?
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Do you think Bernie perhaps had a word with the man upstairs to organise the weather?
Only to ask him to correct the errors he and the FIA have made this season and make sure the best racing driver won the WDC!
Well done Lewis!
Edited by b308 on 03/11/2008 at 06:31
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Congrats to Hamilton and perhaps Brit success will lift spirits and give us all a boost.
Though I must say that I agree with Mark Hughes in the current Autosport where he says that Massa deserves(d) it more, he writes pointing out where Hamilton and Massa have lost and gained points due to luck, good or bad, over the season, events outside of their personal control, and states that Massa would have been 24 points ahead before the last race.
Looking forward to next season, wonder if the driver line up is really as settled as the teams say, could Raikonnen move not wanting to be the perceived number 2 at Ferrari, will McLaren keep Kovalienen after all, looks like Alonso will stay at Renault but .... And what of Red Bull and Torro Rosso, the latter junior team has been so much stronger lately with the same chassis, what kind of shake up will happen there, will Boudais be kept on ...
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Could we go over to a system where there is a winner of each race and the person with the most wins, at the end of the season is the champion? If the constructors want a pecking order they could have points for wins and places, but the let the champion be the winner of the most races. In the event of a tie the champion could be the driver who had the first win in the season.
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Could we go over to a system.........
No.
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A short and sharp AE! Would you care to explain why you think the World Champion should not be the driver who has won the largest number of races in a season?
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why you think the World Champion should not be the driver who has won the largest number of races in a season?
Because consistency and getting the very best out of a car that may not be the best on the grid (I'm not suggesting that LH has been campaigning inferior machinery however) are even more praiseworthy than competently piloting a car head and shoulders above its rivals (as Schumacher was doing for a good season or two although he too was a winner against the odds as often as not)?
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schumacher once brought a car home in the points with two working gears in the box. Hard earned points like that count every bit as much - if not more - than a win
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"Massa would have been 24 points ahead before the last race"
Would have, could have. One could make the argument exactly the other way round - Hamilton and Maclaren have been dealt some lousy cards this and last season, so it's hard to see how anyone could deserve it more. When Hamilton is in the groove, he is unreal.
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Would have could have. One could make the argument exactly the other way round - Hamilton and Maclaren have been dealt some lousy cards this and last season >
Mark Hughes accounted for the lousy cards dealt to both in his reckoning.
so it's hard to see how anyone could deserve it more.>>
Massa deserved it more, he made fewer mistakes and suffered from mechanical / team problems* as opposed to his own errors.
(*despite which Ferrari still won the constructor's title)
When Hamilton is in the groove he is unreal. >>
As they alll are.
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"Massa deserved it more"
If you say so, Cheddar. I happen to think the opposite (with no disrespect to Massa), not least because Hamilton deserved it last year, too! IMHO.
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Massa deserved it more he made fewer mistakes and suffered from mechanical / team problems* >> as opposed to his own errors. (*despite which Ferrari still won the constructor's title)
well suprise suprise Cheddar - that was unexpected - NOT. Had hamilton /maclaren made fewer mistakes then Massa would have been nowwhere near the title. Had ferrarri biased authority been missing then they would have been even further behind.
your bias is really becoming indefensible.
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Hang on a second here, the post above says Hamilton deserved it last year too. That was a narrow win on the last day as was yesterday, how is one any different to the other?
FWIW I say well done Lewis, there are a lot of ifs and buts but at the end of the day he won it by 1 point.
Massa praised Lewis and Stefano Domenicali also went to congratulate Lewis. Time to move on and look forward to next year
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Read this week's Autosport RF, Oct 30th issue, page 33, the Mark Hughes column.
BTW, bias or opinion? Opinion IMO!
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Do you think Bernie perhaps had a word with the man upstairs to organise the weather?
Bernie is convinced he is the "man upstairs"
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"doing around 145mph to Glocks 50"
Not long before (about the time that Vettel got past) one of the commentators said that Glock had a 15s lead, which sounded pretty depressing at the time!
John Watson was interviewed on R4 this morning - I like his remark that all that was needed to keep F1 interesting was to ensure that the tracks were wet at some time during each race...
Congratulations to Hamilton and commiserations to Massa, and a poke in the eye with a blunt stick to Mosley and the FIA!
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"Lewis it has in the first place defeated the ghosts and avoided all"
Couldn't have put it better myself!
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Bernie couldn't have stage managed a finish like that if he tried (hmmm...)
Fact of the matter, over the season, there has been very little in the way of exciting racing worth talking about, its all been penalties, enquiries etc that have been the talking points.
However, to decide the championship on the last corner will be the memory that sticks in many people's minds, especially those that may have watched it purely as it was the last race and hadn't seen any of the other processions this year.
And although much of the time the ITV adverts were annoying as hell, how many times did we miss anything crucial whilst they were on?
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"the ITV adverts were annoying as hell"
It's a bit late now, I guess, but I've never understood why they couldn't show it three minutes late and place the ads during quiet intervals.
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I heard Bernie's interview on the grid with Brundle. I gathered he expected Hamilton to take the championship.
Anyone remember 'professional wrestling'?
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Well done to Lewis Hamilton.
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"professional wrestling"
I don't think even Bernie could have stage-managed that result. He was just going with probability - LH finishing in the first five wasn't that unlikely, it was just the way it actually happened that made it all seem so improbable.
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Well done indeed. He deserved the championship (he did last year too IMO) but I think they took too few risks and it nearly cost them. I am assuming their race plan was to stay away from the Ferrari's and any chance of penalties. I bet they had lots of fuel at the start in case but the rain stopped any advantage.
Looking forward to the coverage on the BBC next year. I just hope the FIA don't go ahead with silly rule changes like a standard engine (there's already a standard ECU). I see proper slick tyres are coming back though.
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Do we know who the presenters are going to be for the Beeb?
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Coulthard is part of the team. As is I believe Martin Brundle.
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>>the ITV adverts were annoying as hell"
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For the first time I watched one of the GPs in Capetown on local Sat TV
It was the the ITV version but instead of adverts the race continued with sometimes a few local comments.
Practice was also transmitteed.
Lets see what the Beeb can do.
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DiMontezemolo quote....
"Lastly, I would like to send my congratulations to Lewis Hamilton, the youngest ever world champion in the history of Formula One. He was a very powerful rival indeed and his win, close though it was, was well deserved. He'll have the number 1 on his car next season, but he can rest assured of one thing: we'll be doing our very best to put it back on a Ferrari."
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