Overtaking morons - MikeTorque
Why do they do it ?
Along the Leicestershire/Rutland A47 the other day I saw a suicidal red VW Beetle driver, then today a suicidal black Bentley driver, a suicidal BMW X5 driver followed by a suicidal motorbiker. All of them drove down the middle of the road passing everything in sight whilst crossing over double whites lines, overtaking on blind left and right bends and hill brows, what is wrong with these people ?

This road has seen numerous deaths occur, it had mobile speed cameras, police patrol cars, gatsos and still the suicide jockeys hammer along and all well in excess of the legal speed limit.
Overtaking morons - Ben 10
Having seen the carnage of the 6 people that died the other day that ran into the artic, you would think it would focus the mind a little.
In the states they have thin collapsible bollards to prevent cross overs on bends. Maybe its time to have them here replacing areas with double white lines. If they had been on the stretch of road where this tragedy took place, maybe the collision might not have occurred. There are some on the slip road a Heathrow leading onto the M4 spur. Keeps vehicles in lane and stop overtaking into path of oncoming vehicles.
Overtaking morons - Cliff Pope
I see them all the time. There appears to be a particular mindset which thinks that if you are going fast enough then you can overtake anything anywhere, because they will be past before anything else can get in the way.
Also at about 80 mph on an ordinary road I think people's sense of fear switches off, and they become immortal.
Overtaking morons - roy59
it seems i never drive fast enough for some people, in my car i drive at the limit in built up areas villages etc, but theres always someone not satisfied and try to push me to the side. I used to get angry but now i realise it`s their license they`re risking and not mine!! On the open road with little traffic about i will throttle up a bit but i`ve got my eyes and ears open.
Overtaking morons - ifithelps
....a suicidal black Bentley driver, a suicidal BMW X5 driver....

Perhaps these two had just had their cars valued. ;)
Overtaking morons - stunorthants26
Ive found that I get overtaken in my Daihatsu more than when I had the van, even though I drive at the same speed. My misses reckons that the colour and small size of it create a perception that it must be going slowly, plus some people just dont want to follow on behind a lilac car.
Ive had several young drivers do the double white line jobs on me recently. Too many parents dont bother to exercise their influence on their teen driver children.
Overtaking morons - Sofa Spud
In France, on long straight sections of N-roads, some drivers use the oncoming lane as a 'fast lane', staying out to pass strings of slower vehicles, nipping in when something approaches, then straight back out again. It's not just the French - Brits so this in France too.
Overtaking morons - GJD
In France on long straight sections of N-roads some drivers use the oncoming lane as
a 'fast lane' staying out to pass strings of slower vehicles


Isn't the reason you see that more in France simply that there are more hugely long straights where it's possible than there are in this country?

Within all the bounds of safety, there's nothing wrong wth overtaking ten vehicles in one manoeuvre if the straight is long enough.
Overtaking morons - Westpig
Within all the bounds of safety there's nothing wrong wth overtaking ten vehicles in one manoeuvre if the straight is long enough.

you can do that on the A82 through Glen Coe, although not advisable early morning or after twilight... as you might meet up with a big beastie with antlers
Overtaking morons - martint123
staying out to pass strings of slower vehicles,

I was once riding, observed by a bike plod, on a 'bikesafe' day.

After being stuck behind a string of traffic, we came round a bend and the road opened out with excellent visibility - I gunned it and got past the lot (about 5 cars). At the next coffee stop I was told "one is OK, two is good, three is excellent but five is outstanding."
Overtaking morons - Westpig
Ive found that I get overtaken in my Daihatsu more than when I had the van even though I drive at the same speed. My misses reckons that the colour and small size of it create a perception that it must be going slowly >>


one of the motoring mag journalists mentioned this a while back. It might have been Steve Cropley, but whoever it was had bought something like a Citroen Berlingo and then wondered why the whole world wanted to overtake him. It would seem the type of vehicle you drive, dictates others perception of you, which can translate into their actual driving.

Many years ago, as a youth, i had an XR3i. It was a right nuisance which i only really noticed when i swapped it for a plainish looking V6 Sierra... all of a sudden people weren't trying to race me away from the lights if i went for the empty lane or overtake if i was nipping along... and the Sierra was far quicker than the Escort
Overtaking morons - gordonbennet
which i only really noticed when i swapped it for a plainish looking V6 Sierra...
all of a sudden people weren't trying to race me away from the lights


You've had some flying machines WP.

Not surprised no one tried it at the lights, those V6 sierra's had a certain look about them that even the most modded normal model couldn't duplicate, even though many tried. Took a very quick car indeed to leave one of those behind.
When you say plain looking, i assume it was a later 4 x 4 as the earlier 2WD would have been the XR4i with the huge wing, and looked anything but plain.

I always promised myself one of those, but with having the youngsters at the time just couldn't afford it. Mighty envious i am.

Never wanted an XR3, took a mate to the Luton airport inhis, and i was worn out when i got back, the road roar and the vibrations through the car were just too much for me.

This use of the roads width for overtaking can be quite safe, provided a bit of good observation by everyone.
I use the A5 between Shrewsbury and Wrexham most weeks and its marked out as a 2 lane road, but would easily be wide enough for a 3 lane, so myself and most of the other truck drivers keep well left, as do the oncoming and all the cars and vans pass us quite safely. Never seen a real problem with this, if someone else is doing the same the other way, it seems to be the vehicle with the less slower vehicles to pass drops in behind a truck and when clear again will often get a left blinker from the truck in front to let him know its all good again, well they do from me.
It works well, better than a queue of 20 to 40 vehicles behind the 40mph bod.

Sometimes see people flash their headlights on that road and stick their thumbs down, what could that signify, are they Masons?..;)
Overtaking morons - Westpig
>> which i only really noticed when i swapped it for a plainish looking V6
Sierra...
>> all of a sudden people weren't trying to race me away from the lights
You've had some flying machines WP.

it was a manual 2.3 GL, not unfortunately the XR4x4 (i wish, but at 20 the insurance would have crippled me). Did nip along though for its' day and that V6 sounded gorgeous. Was far, far quicker than the XR3i, but only looked like a normal Sierra, real Q car.
Overtaking morons - gordonbennet
it was a manual 2.3 GL not unfortunately the XR4x4


Well, you learn something every day, i never knew there was a 2.3 V6 sierra.
Granada, yes a friend had one, and it went pretty well too, but sierra was much lighter.

I had an ex police 2.0gl manual and that went pretty well too, and handled.
Underrated cars, and a doddle to work on, maybe one of the last cars able to be diagnosed and fixed easily by the home/small indy mechanic?
Overtaking morons - Ian (Cape Town)
For the Sierra fans, totally off-topic, and apologies Mods for that, go and google 'Ford XR8 South Africa '.

There's one in my neighbourhood, and it is still a beast 20-something years after...
Overtaking morons - Westpig
most of the 2.3's were automatic, mine was 18 mths old and sat on the forecourt of my then girlfriend's family Ford dealership. It was unusually a rare manual, originally ordered by a co. director from new as a no cost option, he was my mate's dad's boss (if that makes sense), so i ended up knowing who'd had the car before etc.

was a brilliant car, i kept it for three years and only sold it when it got to 80,000 miles and some of the internal plastics etc started looking a bit tired. I had it painted two/tone silver and red and thought it looked the dog's danglies. It had what looked like a personal plate as well, but it was the one issued to it.

DTT4Y where are you now?....p.s. I was 22 not 20 when i had it, bought it after i'd sold my XJS!!

(sorry for the thread hijack)
Overtaking morons - martint123
And there I was, thinking this thread was about overtaking dawdling morons.
Overtaking morons - Westpig
And there I was thinking this thread was about overtaking dawdling morons.

>>
same thing flashed through my mind as well
Overtaking morons - Lud
And mine.

Do you think there are enough of us to hijack it good and proper? :o}
Overtaking morons - spikeyhead {p}
I thought that too.

Far too many people haven't got a clue about how to drive on a road and panic and curse whenever they see someone making safe progress.
Overtaking morons - MikeTorque
Well done to the 2 policemen who today caught the souped up monster mobile that frequently races around the area. With no front number plate and countless modifications the police were all over the car, bonnet up checking for mods, the lot, whilst a mid 20s man looked on in horror and the audience applauded the police, nice work guys.
Overtaking morons - redviper
The A66 Darlington bypass, most of it is cheveron lines and everymorning there are people overtaking me over the chevrons becasue 60mph is not fast enough for them I can guarantee what cars will over take and where - also what really bugs me to death is people overtakingo on the roundabouts on this road (or even any road) unless indcated other wise you use the left hand side lane to go straight ahead but there is always people i have to brake to let through becasue they are using the right hand lane and then cut ahead, fair enough there may be people who get in the wrong lane, but it only has 3 exits and its not rocket seince, they can just go round its its not a big one thats my biggest annoyence what is wrong with people i dont know
Overtaking morons - Westpig
also what really bugs me to death is people overtakingo on the roundabouts on this road (or even any road) unless indcated other wise you use the left hand side lane to go straight ahead but there is always people i have to brake to let through becasue they are using> the right hand lane and then cut ahead fair enough there may be people who
get in the wrong lane but it only has 3 exits


if there's two lanes approaching a roundabout you CAN use the o/s lane to go straight ahead...it's in the Highway Code. i.e. left lane for left or straight on, right lane for right or straight on, although from memory the little diagram in the HC had a dotted path shown for the right hand lane traffic which leads me to think they ought to give way to traffic in the left hand lane

obviously problems arise if there's only one exit lane for straight ahead and in those circs if you're a local driver i daresay it's prudent to enter from the nearside lane only, but a non local driver might not know the road layout ahead
Overtaking morons - Hamsafar
If I overtake someone it's not always because of the speed they are going when I do get the opportunity to pass, but it's often how long it took them to get that speed (15mph........16mph.........17mph........18mph) and how they dab the brakes every-time they see a change on the road, or a corner.
These are usually the same 'experts' who shake their head or flash their lights when passed. Weirdoes. You never used to get them until within the last ten years.
Overtaking morons - L'escargot
Why do they do it ?


Wondering why they do it is pointless. Just concentrate on not becoming involved with them.
Overtaking morons - craig-pd130
Let's not forget there are OVERTAKEN morons too.

I had one today: Subaru Justy doing 45 on a single-carriageway national speed limit road.

It was tailing an artic, about 150 yards behind (the artic was pulling away from it). I have clear visibility for over half a mile on a straight section. So I indicate, pull smoothly out, accelerate past, indicate left and ease in with plenty of clearance.

Cue blowing of horn, flashing of lights and gesticulations from Justy driver.
Overtaking morons - Whisky
On the subject of "round-about overtakes" there is an interesting round about on my daily commute, it has 2 exits, straight on or right, 95% of traffic goes straight on (me included) with a similar amount of traffic coming from the right to go in the same direction. i.e. straight on.

On my approach there are two lanes, no road markings, and the exit is 2 lanes albeit they merge into one almost immediately.

This in my opinion is the perfect opportunity for the more enterprising driver to get round that slow moving wagon (which is always at the front of the queue, usually 8-12 cars in front of me) by going in the outside lane. No one else does this and the truck drivers occasionally give me a "friendly" toot and not so friendly gesture.

Can't see what I'm doing wrong, 2 lane entrance, 2 lane roundabout and 2 lane exit, I don't change lanes the entire manouver.

Think they are just jealous :-)

My other favourate on a roundabout where I used to live was up the empty right hand lane past about 40 cars, all the way round and take first exit, used to save me 10 mins on a morning. Amazed me that I was practically the only one who did this.

Am I a moronic driver? ;-)
Overtaking morons - ForumNeedsModerating
>>Am I a moronic driver? ;-)

No, just making good use of the road space. There's a similar set of roundabouts on part of the N.Wales A55 (2 lanes in/out) - 99.999% of traffic goes straight-on , .001% is local traffic turning right (or left from other direction) to the villages. So few (straight-on) drivers use the right-hand lane that it seems to be regarded as not quite cricket to actually use it if you're going straight-on. Weird.

A danger in this (as you've probably noticed yourself..) is that left-lane straight-on drivers often cut across the inner (right-hand) lane - so vigilance is required.

Overtaking morons - roy59
SNIPQUOTE!
A danger in this (as you've probably noticed yourself..) is that left-lane straight-on drivers often
cut across the inner (right-hand) lane - so vigilance is required.


Sometimes, but not always, if theres a long line of traffic in the inside lane , i will use lane 2 and do a 360 round the roundabout and go straight on , indicating as i do so, occasionally i get a look of `why didn`t i think of that`

Edited by Dynamic Dave on 16/07/2008 at 19:34

Overtaking morons - craig-pd130
Another good tactic, that :)

Have done so often myself ....
Overtaking morons - ForumNeedsModerating
.. i will use lane 2 and do a 360 round the roundabout and go straight on..

Yes, that's another good one - especially if the on-going (or straight-on) lane is a 'mean' 2-laner or big one-laner. The effect is like finding a worm-hole in the space-time continuum - a genuinely free lunch. I bet few have noticed the check-box on page 17 of tax returns that advises: "Tick here if you do not wish to pay tax this year" either.