when is a seller not a trader? - skorpio
Situation:

Nice looking grass verge in a predominately suburban area. Anything up to 3 cars parked on said verge with handwritten signs in windows For Sale followed by a mobile number.

Clearly the seller is buying and selling on cars and lives in one of the large detached properties surrounding the roadside.

Result: the verge gets churned up by cars. Nice area now looks like 'Dagenham Dave's Second hand Motoring Emporium (no offence to any similar sounding genuine garage of that name). Other motorists clog the road whilst they slow down to look or abandon their cars in order to look round and kick the tyres of tatty overpriced Renault Meganes/Corsas and the odd people carrier or two.
The vendor pays no nothing to advertise his cars, pays no rates for premises and a buyer would presumably have no comeback in the event he buys a duffer.
when is a seller not a trader? - Bill Payer
Not sure what your point is, but I think most councils have banned this kind of street trading if you wanted to put a stop to it.
when is a seller not a trader? - Mapmaker
Well, a buyer WOULD have comeback against him, as he is clearly trading.
when is a seller not a trader? - bathtub tom
We had this round our way recently. The cars weren't usually taxed, and were parked on a relatively small piece of land belonging to a disinterested major national organisation.

The 'phone numbers on the cars were all different mobiles. As no one number was repeated, the council couldn't say anyone was trading. The locals knew who it was.

One of the cars had a wheel on the highway - it got towed away. I think they got the message!
when is a seller not a trader? - jbif
Nice looking grass verge in a predominately suburban area. Anything up to 3 cars parked on said verge with handwritten signs in windows For Sale followed by a mobile number.


www.manchester.gov.uk/site/scripts/news_article.ph...0
"Selling two or more vehicles on the highway within 500 metres of each other, is an offence under Section 3 of the Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act 2005 and carries a maximum penalty of £1000."

www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/east/series9/week_six.shtml
"Even with the extra power of the new law, it's not easy to clamp down on traders.
Firs of all, Trading Standards have to prove that someone is operating as a dealer.
Dealers will often use different mobile phone numbers for each car to avoid being caught. "



when is a seller not a trader? - skorpio
Thanks for the link. I'll go and stick a rocket up the local council right away.
when is a seller not a trader? - Another John H
If you really want to make his day I'm sure HMG will want some tax on the profits too.
when is a seller not a trader? - pd
Every town has a few "green verge" traders. Most of them are fine, however most towns also have a few the DVLA, Trading Standards, HMG or whoever are very reluctant to go near.

My local DVLA office has told me clearly when referrring to a couple of well known local ones "we aren't paid enough to have our houses burnt down". Everyone knows who they are but officially to HMC&E, DVLA, Trading Standards they are unknown of unknown address so can't be traced, fined, VAT registered or pulled up on a dodgy MOT. This is the "advantage" of no premisis, address or fixed line phone number.

Some of these dealers are doing 40-50 cars a month spread of various areas.

The guys doing 2-3 are usually people doing it part time in the evenings and often from home so are traceable and usually OK.