As yet I have not seen a Citroen C6 on the road at any time. Citroen are in the midst of a heavy advertising campaign but I note not a mention of this model. Has it bitten the dust or is there another reason.
It is clear that will never be a quantity seller however they seem to be denying its existence since the various road tests in the press some time ago.
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I see one occasionally in Ayr (South West Scotland). Suspect it is probably being used as a demonstrator / company car by one of the directors of our local Citroen dealership.
Just taken a quick look at AutoTrader - 81 for sale on there, starting with a V6 diesel, 57K miles at under £16,000
Edited by drivewell on 21/02/2008 at 21:49
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I have seen a few, but they are really rather underwhelming in the flesh compared to TV or online.
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Saw one today 24k at a Dealer - been there for some time. Its a very, very striking car.....
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I have to admit in being a Citroen fan, so I think it is a very handsome piece of kit. I have seen a couple in London but not that many (see more Quattroporte's than C6s)
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Saw one the week before last for the first time. I like the styling but it's rare.
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Can't remember seeing one on the road. Got to be terrific when you come to terms with it. I always liked Citroens and have had three, real ones if you count 2CV variants.
HJ commented tersely that 'It's a bit of a boat'. I asked whether this was good or bad but he didn't say. Bit of both perhaps.
I'd love one, but it isn't a bangernomics sort of motor. You'd have to be prepared to maintain it like a top end Merc or BMW or Jag.
If you were, and liked the car, and had a bit of luck, you might be pleasantly amazed at the thing's frugality and style and become a Citroen freak.
As for looks though, it's a bit flash and not beautiful in my opinion although distinctive and not awful. Someone mentioned the Maserati Quattroporte above. Saw a black one today. I think that it and even more perhaps the 2-door coupe are fabulous lookers. But they might cost a bit more than a C6 to run.
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Seen one very regularly around South London and one parked outside work in central London too the other week.
interesting looking but not beautiful there's something rather odd about those lights at the front.
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I've been in France for the past week and have yet to see one here, either. Seen a couple of new Jag XFs, though.
Davros
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Did I read somewhere that Citroen made some promise of buying back any C6 from a selling customer so they could keep the prices up? I could see why - otherwise a 3 year old C6 would attract £2.50 at trade-in time. Shame really as I bet they would make lovely used bargain barges.
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For a long time the C6 was a rare sight in my part of France - just the occasional taxi.
Recently my friend bought one - but from Germany because of the price in France - and now I am suddenly noticing quite a few.
Because of what it is - a senior civil servant's motor for France's huge population of senior civil servants (believe it or not you can buy a magazine on the newstands over here advising you how to achieve a career in the civil service!) - I guess it will only really make its mark in the home country, where the XM is still a common sight, especially in rural areas. Now there was a motor...
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I believe one of the motoring rags has been running one on long term test, TG I think.
They seem to like it. Infact aslong as your of the 'wafting' driving persuasion, it is a fine car. Ive seen one in the flesh and it is a piece of work thats for sure - that back window is brilliant.
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There are 7 C6s for sale on Autootrader within 40 miles of me: all V6 diesels. Cheapest £17k.
81 Nationally cheapest £16k.
Only a further £10k depreciation and I'll be interested:-)
Edited by madf on 22/02/2008 at 13:28
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C6 - you would be lucky to "See1"
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But if anybody can handle low profile tyres, Citroen can!
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Only a further £10k depreciation and I'll be interested:-)
Bookmark the page and check next week - it may be close by then!
Only seen two and one was in an independent car dealership.
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I'd certainly would have been interested in one (even at a higher price..) , but from the road test reports, the low speed ride wasn't commented upon favourably. What is the point of that? The standard cars only come on 17 inch (and upwards) rim sizes, with I believe, 45 to 50% aspect ratios. Unfortunately, Citroen fell victim to big-rim syndrome & ruined a nice car.
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I had the same thought as EdV above: big Citroens have absorbent, long-travel suspension making the harshness of low profile tyres less apparent. I note though that there has been criticism of the C6's low-speed ride. C4 with huge great wheels and low profiles isn't harsh at all, and it has conventional steel springs.
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Mike, hello (you once advised me about Hondas - thanks). I live in France too and there are two different magazines in my local newsagent with the title 'How to become a civil servant'. Needless to say there are none advising how to start a business !! I worked for four years with French civil servants. On second thoughts, I was in the same buildings as French civil servants. I worked. I once walked into a Union meeting and heard the cry 'Comrades' from the leader as they all waved their placards.......
Sorry I normally only read this (first-class) site but this got me going.......
Back on thread
I saw a black C6 in Geneva old town this morning - In that setting, it really did look 'class' - a real head turner and different from all the other black limos and 4X4 about round here.
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>I worked for four years with French civil servants. On second thoughts, I was in the same buildings as French civil servants. I worked. I once walked into a Union meeting and heard the cry 'Comrades' from the leader as they all waved their placards.......<
They say there are only two countries in the world that still believe in communism - one is Cuba, the other is France.
(motoring link) - The streets of Cuba are still full of Yank tanks from the pre-Castro 1950s, being driven by anyone who can afford four wheels at all, while France is now almost alone in producing a range of luxo-barges for its huge numbers of high-ranking, well-paid government employees.
Discuss.
Back on thread (again): the interior of my friend's C6 is cream leather and it sure looks an inviting place to be.
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I will declare an interest and say I work for Citroen but would like to contribute a few points.
We only ever said we would sell the C6 in the UK in the hundreds, so there should be no expectation that the C6 will be a common site on Uk roads. Thats the whole point,its rarity has a cachet and it will always be that way.
The car is very much still on sale though, but would never feature in national TV advertising as this is not cost effective.
Clearly ride comfort is a subjective thing, but a look back at many road tests show there is a common theme - that no car offered such a smooth, cossetting ride and whenever I carry passengers in a C6, they marvel at its smoothness, amazing looks and space age technology. Remember, it has also been called the safest car in the world, nothing beats it.
So i would say, drive one before you comment on its comfort , enjoy the fact that where ever you go you are the special one and as for residuals, CAP say it performs better then the S- Type , Volvo S80 etc.
I will leave the last word to Autocar who said " I am really enjoying the Citroen (C6) , its different ,special,and constantly rewarding to the driver who wants to understand it."
At Citroen we are very proud of this car.
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I have a C6.
I had a string of three S-Class and the last incarnation was such an overwrought mess of faddish electronics that I sold it not long after buying it. It didn't fix what for me was a deceptively flawed driving position (used to get bad pains down one side on very long journeys), and was actually a noisier car at speed. It introduced a seriously annoying ruffle around the A-pillar and mirrors that simply wasn't present on the W220, and together with that much-maligned seven speed 'box was a hot topic on Benz forums. Not a pleasing experience.
In addition, the big sculpted flanks that go hand in hand with today's fashion for Teutonic ugliness make it feel a much bigger car to drive, and I was always wincing down tight streets, even kerbing the stupid thing on more than two occasions. Never did that since I passed my test!
As for the Citroen, well, at speed the C6 has the nicest ride quality of any car ever, period. It's also incredibly quiet. At low speeds it's not quite so magical, probably a result of large diameter rims, and there's the occasional side-to-side head toss when leaving bumpy junctions (though reportedly the C5 due in April fixes this and I can't wait to try one). The C6 doesn't have half the ostentation factor as a new S-Class, but I get a lot more people asking me about it, having never seen one before. I've only clapped eyes on two myself: the one on my driveway, and one at a crossroads ahead of me in Cheltenham, which was probably a dealer principal. I nearly crashed pointing.
The C6's plastics are genuinely first rate. There's the odd carry-over from cheaper models (most notably the yucky indicator stalks and radio controls), but broadly speaking it's really, really well made. People clamber in expecting to have their journey accompanied by an orchestra of rattles and squeaks, but there are none. Add class-leading levels of silence, comfortable TGV-style leather seats, cabin ambience, spaciousness and stupid low price, and they usually get out sold. My brother has a major downer on French cars but since riding in the C6 has stopped making quips.
Downsides: the 2.7 diesel either needs to be more economical or deliver more power and the satnav needs updating to Citroen's latest system, but that's really about it. Fantastic car and I've got its value again in the bank having sold the silly Benz!
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Managed a closer examination of my friend's new C6 today.
The exterior is striking from almost all angles and the interior seems even more impressive.
The rear end looks like a bit of a van and he says the useable boot area is smaller than his previous Pug 607. Because he has protector bars fitted to the columns of his drive gates he now has to be watched through because there is so little spare width. The Prelude will go through them at about a 20 degree angle!
But what a motor - second only in presence (among real world cars) to the big Chrysler.
Did you hear that, MTC?
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Question is... is it reliable ?
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Oh, and another thing, namely its front wheel drive. Put the medal to the metal and you'd instantly feel that V6's vibes on the steering column. Not much, just a little bit, but they are there, as well as the above mentioned shakes on bumpy roads at lower speeds. No such thing in Merc's Airmatic suspension, really.
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. No such thing in Merc's Airmatic suspension really.
Lovely merc suspension till it goes wrong though, rear air shockers at £1500 each, they should be good.
I'm not a fan of FWD, but the room inside the C6 is incredible, especially the rear.
Almost as good as the landcrab!!
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I adore them, if i could have one as a company car i would instantly, have to say though like everything else now, amazingly complicated so i wouldn't dare own one out of warranty.
As the depreciation will be horrendous its a no go for me as i can't afford the hit, and i absolutely will not have a band G car regd after March 06.
But the interior in cream leather is probably one of the most luxurious places to be vehicle wise on the planet.
I can't understand why citroen having proudly made a vehicle different to everybody else's followed the sheep by putting great big wheels on with 45 aspect tyres, when 65's would have been lovely for ride.
Thank goodness there are still some different vehicles about though.
So different to the Germanic cloned cars everywhere.
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I saw my first C6 on the M56 close to Manchester airport last week, I thought it was quite eye-catching. As for the "will it be reliable", my Xantia is a two litre 16valve with 130,000 on the clock, the rear parcel shelf squeaks a bit and that's about it, I've never been stood on a motorway hard shoulder with it, unlike a lot of supposedly reliable German cars I see.
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Question is... is it reliable ?
The C6 has a 20,000 mile service interval. I've clocked up 12,000 miles so far and no visits to the dealer required, making it more reliable than both the W220 and the W221. The former required its ECU replacing after an alarm fault, and the latter would stop at junctions in a cloud of smoke before restarting and carrying on as though nothing had happened. Mercedes, bless 'em, never traced that particular issue.
In addition, I hit a deep pothole in the W220 at around 35mph, buckling a wheel in the process and sadly the car never felt the same again above 85mph -- not that the dealer would ever corroborate that. It was the principal reason I ended up selling it.
According to WhatCar's reliability index, Citroen are now in the top ten ahead of all their fashionable German competitors. Make of that what you will.
And as other people have said here, the rear legroom is equalled only by the LWB variants of the 7-Series and S-Class. You've never seen a standard saloon with so much space!
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I think it's a lovely car TE. I must admit to a soft spot for cars/owners daring to be a little bit different. My current automotive lack of imagination is driven purely by being at a stage in life where other things require more urgent financial attention but if and when that changes I would hope and trust that I would think a little more laterally. For example if I were in the market for a GT I would, probably, most want to like a Maserati over the more default options. For a wee city car I think I would be drawn more to a Fiat 500 than a MINI and would certainly and perhaps more realistically, consider a C6 if it suited my needs and wallet in the future.
Sadly though, I suspect that as the car market polarises ever more that this diversity of choice will become less available rather than more so, as manufacturers become less willing to take marketing risks. However, I suppose we can always count on the French in particular to resist this as long as possible. Glad you enjoy your car, I do wish we saw just a few more on the roads mind.
P.S. an estate version would be fab wouldn't it ? A sort of latterday Citroen Safari.
SS
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It is not over yet
The next few years will see new niches developed.
Read the book "The Long Tail" to see where I'm coming from.
True they all have the same motor and the same platform, but every lifestyle will be accommodated
kr
Nick
Edited by nick1975 on 23/02/2008 at 22:37
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"I've clocked up 12,000 miles so far and no visits to the dealer required"
Not even an oil change? I would if it were mine...
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This car has a very limited marketplace in the UK although it is probably quite a nice car. The depreciation is so severe on new ones, that only Citroen UK Executives or French diplomatic staff can afford to buy them new, so I guess that means that only a couple of dozen will ever come to the secondhand market in UK !
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I do get depressed with all this talk of depreciation - not because I'm worrying about my car shedding pounds overnight, but because much of it isn't true. And then I get annoyed that more people aren't enjoying these cars because they're frightened off by all the negativity.
Even the highest specification C6s are predicted to retain between 34% and 36% of their value after three years. That's significantly ahead of any other big French car ever (compare the 607 at just 23%), not far off the equivalent Jaguar (38%), and ahead of cars in the 20-25K used price bracket such as the Mondeo (33%).
Don't forget that once a C6 has hit the halfway point and is tempting people out of their dull Fords and Vauxhalls, it's already cleared the worst drop. That's how I bought mine: ex demo, under 4K on the clock, and half price. A quote from my Citroen dealer confirms the money's not really moved a lot since I bought it, and certainly nowhere near enough to alarm me.
In short, depreciation isn't the buttock-clenching issue you think it is!
Edited by ThwartedEfforts on 24/02/2008 at 19:23
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I think it is - the car had done only 4000 miles and it was half price? Thats bottom clenching depreciation to me!
Wonder what the Citroen dealer lost on that and whether Citroen reimbursed him for it?
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Okay, you got me. Half price was an exaggeration. You can get year-old C6s that are roughly three-quarters their original value.
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Well, having seen a new C5 last week you can forget the C6....
They were doing a photo shoot down on the Main river (here in Frankfurt) for the new C5 and it´s simply stunning. Imagine a C6 crossed with an Alfa 159. It was a real pant-wetter IYKWIM.
Compare and contrast with the new Laguna which appears do be two cars cut & shut and you´ll get the impression that Cit appear to be on a winner, at least looks-wise.
Having not seen any mag shots of the C5 I don´t know what it´s like on the page, but in the metal it´s really pretty.
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Changing my car at the moment and have tried loads but would really like a C5 exclusive 173 HDI, main dealers seem to want more for a one year old 10k miles than a new one bought through a broker, doesn't make sense.
I will never break the golden rule and buy a new citroen (or any car for that matter), will there be run-out C5s fully kitted up or is it too late even now to buy one.
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Well, I have to say, a car worth 36 per cent of its new price after 3 years certainly makes my buttocks clench. But then, I buy my own cars...;-)
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>> Well having seen a new C5 last week you can forget the C6....They were doing a photo shoot down on the Main river (here in Frankfurt) for the new C5 and it´s simply stunning. Imagine a C6 crossed with an Alfa 159. It was a real pant-wetter IYKWIM.
There's always a place for la grande Citroen for reasons we've been discussing: it's big, spacious, has Ferrari-beating rarity value, a generally fabulous ride and every toy imaginable including electric heated rear seats and a heads-up display that's been invaluable (much more so than any of the pointless gadgetry on the Merc) for long journeys. Sadly, the C5 has no such option.
I guess if you buy your cars purely on how they look dolled-up for Frankfurt photo shoots you might think otherwise ;)
That said, I confess I've already been into my local dealer to talk deposits for the newer car. The initial reviews say it fixes the C6's main bugbear of intrusive low-speed ride, and the pricing - confirmed just last week, by the way - makes it look a comparative bargain. But nobody will do anything with my money until April, and delivery for a car bought on release is way off in June or July.
Deciding between the 2.7 and 2.2 Exclusive is my problem though. A relative's current shape C5 has the 2.2 173 and it's a genuinely terrific engine, soon to be slotted into the Mondeo. The 2.7 isn't as all-round brilliant as the 3.0 from the S320, but its linearity combined with a decent smooth shifter really suits the big Citroen. It's like you're astride one seamless movement from 'A' to 'B'.
They look best in dark blue and as an estate, so that bit's easy :)
Edited by ThwartedEfforts on 25/02/2008 at 13:13
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This car has a very limited marketplace in the UK although it is probably quite a nice car. The depreciation is so severe on new ones that only Citroen UK Executives or French diplomatic staff can afford to buy them new so I guess that means that only a couple of dozen will ever come to the secondhand market in UK !
81 for sale on Autotrader right now, starting at £15,990
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.....I guess if you buy your cars purely on how they look dolled-up for Frankfurt photo shoots you might think otherwise......
Would that I could! The point was, I wasn´t looking at the photos themselves. The car was there, in the metal, and really impressed me.
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saw one in the flesh for the first time in Dundee on Saturday - definately an aquired taste.
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Still waiting to see one in the flesh.. but prices still falling...
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Citroen dealer in Bristol - City Motors - had one for sale when I was in there a couple of weeks back. Think it was up at 30K
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I've seen a grand total of four - about the same rarity level as the Vauhall Antara, behind the Volvo C30; reckon I'm on double figures with those now.
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Followed one for a spell yesterday - looked rather magnificent, IMO. Very distinctive and somehow more impressive than any big Merc/BMW/Lexus.
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I'll say it again, the C6 is an amazing car and Autocar are quoting £5000 for early ones from dealers (as of August 2011). After I've had the car I've got now for a year I am going to be all over a C6 - in black - for no money. Thanking you
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But now there is not a single petrol C6 in Autotrader at any price, anywhere. I don't fancy the diesel, and the prices advertised seem ambitious.
Maybe when the euro collapses there might be some LHD bargains, aaaaaagahagakakakak
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Just looked on Autoscout24 only 19 for sale in Germany and they are all diesel so I would not old your breath and I think the pound will collapse before the €.
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According to stats in last month's Citroënian, only 906 RHD C6s were built. Of that 906, only 30 had a petrol engine.
The best places to check for (or ask about) the few C6s which are up for sale is either:
C6Owners.org or CitroenCarClub.org.uk
Edited by BigJohnD on 04/11/2012 at 11:21
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I've driven a petrol and a diesel C6, you can feel the weight of the car - it's not very quick, but it's very, very comfortable by modern standards - the ride quality isn't quite there with an XM and lags behind a CX – particularly at lower speeds - but the excellent handling makes up for it, it's the best motorway cruiser on the road. I should point out in this thread that C6s have been discontinued, which is a great shame – but then most people these days are pretentious badge snobs – even an unemployable chav won't be seen in anything “less” than a BMW. You can't blame Citroën, they made a supremely comfortable car which looks striking – but the buying public ignored it – they'd rather have their spine shattered in something German - perhaps today's adults have the equivalent of shaken baby syndrome? The percussion to the brain becomes addictive - so once you've had a German car you can't go back?
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They may have stopped importing to the UK but its still on Citroen france web site and you can still order any model and any combination of trim not due to be replaced until late 2013 according to Citroen.Maybe the lack of them is due to the 57500€ price tag.
Edited by Collos25 on 04/11/2012 at 19:18
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