Old Yaris - 1.0 engine probably accpetable, new Yaris probably not. Like all second generation motors the new one has put on a bit of weight.
I have a friend with a forfour 1.1 (same enigne as Colt) and she doesn;t complain of it being underpowered.
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The Civic is way beyond our £9-10k budget for a new car as they start at around 12k dont they? I dont want a used one.
So do Mitsubishi not replace the battery then if its faulty? Sounds odd!
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Sorry Stu - didn't realise you wanted brand new. How about the Jazz then as your third option?
Why not check out HJ's new cars tab above right - I see Drive the deal have an offer OTR £8640 for a 1.2i DSI -S 5 door Jazz .
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My daughter has a Colt 1.1 CZ1 5dr (with a/c), which I helped her buy, and we've had for a year. We also have a Jazz (Mrs BP's car really, but I drive it quite a lot around town).
I'm pretty impressed with the Colt - it's very similar size/shape/look to the Jazz, but was about £3000 cheaper. (We paid £7500 for the Colt, in non-metallic red). They may be available even cheaper now.
I've driven it 4 up at "motorway" speeds and would say it's fine. The 3 cyl engine works well (we also have a 3cyl Ibiza and the engine in that is horrible at low speeds). The gear change is bit baulky - I gather this is common on Mitsubishi's - the Jazz's of course works perfectly.
Around town it actually rides better than the Jazz, but it seems more flexible where the Jazz just feels solid. if you test drive Colt, make sure you test a 5dr - the 3dr is a bit different and the lack of rear doors no doubt increases the body rigidity.
I would say that you can see where they've save money compared to Jazz - the plastics are plentiful and cheap feeling, some bits don't fit together all that well, there's no engine undertray etc - but then it is £3000 less. It's got all the essential basics (if you add a/c) - we looked at Polo not many years ago and there was no remote locking and it had a cassette player! Mitsubishi are also doing a 3yr service package for £150 which is quite a bargain - we just missed out on that, and I'm not happy about it!
One thing which I do have a bit of concern about is that you don't see many Colts on the road (to be fair we are some way away from the nearest dealer) but m impression is that it doesn't sell very well and it looks like their used prices are quite low. On the Auction report a couple of wks ago there were a bunch of Colt's like this one: "1.1 Black 5-dr, 2005/55, 14k miles £3,750s."
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Just to add: in the same auction report a 6yr old Yaris sold for £3K (maybe that was truely exceptional).
I was a bit concerned (buying Colt for daughter) about lack of airbags in Colt - 2 in CZ1. yaris T3 has 7!
Battery not been an issue - checked it a couple of times but not needing topping up (car only used around town). In theory this type of battery should last a little longer than a sealed one, filled with gel.
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Another thought (sorry!):
Surely the Yaris T3 is about the same price as the Jazz (around £10,500 at list)? Are they available heavily discounted?
We were looking at a special edition Yaris Silver(?) when we bought the Colt. Yaris Silver was a T3 with met paint (silver!) and alloys and was available for a bit under 10 grand, which daughter thought was too much.
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Discount sites have lots of Yaris (Yaris?) at well under list.
My experience of Toyota dealers (diesel Yaris) is very good. Not that I have needed them apart from servicing. Lots of them and cheap servicing and they do compete on price... (I saved £15 on a £120 service)..
No experience of Colts but limited dealerships here.
Careful buying can get a low mileage Yaris very cheaply....
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Indeed the Yaris may have a list price thats high but discounts seem to be plentiful hence its under consideration.
Im not too fussed about the quality of interior plastics at this end of the market and as has been said, the Colt is that much cheaper than the Yaris, so one must give it some leeway for that. Its much more important that its screwed correctly in my opinion.
Im just going out to look at a Micra, see what it offers in terms of space.
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Of course, I was going to look at a Micra until the Nissan website basically told me that no town near me has a dealer - Northampton isnt that out in the backwoods is it? Worse, such is the foolish set up that it doesnt even tell me where my nearest dealer is - you have to guess what towns might have one and try your luck.
Awful start.
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Remember the rear seats slide in a Micra as in the Yaris...and ofc, they're very heavily discounted, so you could get a lot of equipment for your cash. I vaguely recall Richard Hammond in a review of the Micra saying it was built well, without using the top-grade plastics, which sounds spot-on for what you're after...
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warranty seems short at only two years manufac'
In your previous MEGA thread on your search for a new car, I think the thrust of advice was NOT to get to hung up about warranty.
However if you are basing your choice heavily on warranty and reliability, then Hyundai with 5 and 7 year warranty has to be your only friend.
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In your previous MEGA thread on your search for a new car
Also, you were advised that you were likely to be better off NOT spending all the cash, and instead you could afford a higher spec car by going for an option which allows you to get a new car every two or three years:
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?v=e&t=58...0
So look at your options again, consider all the advice offered, and you are likely to be able to drive a brand new car better suited to your ambitions.
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I want to own my car outright and I intend to keep it for some time. Ive already found two cars that suit my ambitions very well. Im not interested in the slightest in a buying plan other than that which I already have. It will be kept for a 5 year minimum
I am hung up on warranty because unlike many here, I do not accept unreliability is part of new car ownership and unreliable cars generally have shorter warranties because obviously the more problems a car is likely to have, the more it will cost the maker so they want to cut the car loose asap.
As such, a maker who is willing to warrant a car for a decent period of time obviously has some confidence in their product. Simple as.
Hyundai Getz doesnt offer a practical boot shape for a wheel chair but otherwise a nice enough car, nor does the Kia Rio.
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Im[siic] not interested in the slightest in a buying plan other than that which I already have. It will be kept for a 5 year minimum
But then you did say:
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=58191&...7
"Im[sic] toying with the idea of buying a brand new car, to keep 15-20 years "
and then changed your mind to:
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=58790&...e
"I was wondering in my mind if one keeps a car for 1,2 or 3 years, so it is in warranty period, how much it is likely to loose[sic] in value and at which point is best to get a new one again? It would certainly reduce the need for an overlly[sic] reliable car. ... How much per year should one put aside to replace a car that costs say £9000 after 1,2 or 3 years? Id replace the car every year if it didnt[sic] cost much. "
Oh well. it is your money and your choice and you are entitled to ignore any replies you don't like ! :0)
Time for me to shut up, I think.
Edited by jbif on 31/01/2008 at 20:13
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Thats perhaps why I started a new thread and said id moved on from previous ideas!
It may well change but Im thinking 5 years is a sensible point to work to and then see how we feel about the car at that point and if it still does what we want it to. At this point, money is looking tighter than we thought on account of a wedding to pay for.
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I've just seen an ad for the new FIAT Bravo, that comes with a 5 year warranty. Whilst it may be a little big, it is very nice looking car and backed up with that reassurance, and starts at £11k. I imagine haggling, which seems easy enough, should net one within your budget...
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Yes I saw one in the showroom - its quite big sizewise but bootspace isnt huge given its dimensions although I had a quick look rather than actually measuring it up so maybe I should. Only real issue is that the diesel starts at near £14k and a petrol with A/C is £12k still. Will have a look in a few months, see if the deals are getting better yet as he car is still new.
Shame the Grande Punto doesnt have the same warranty really as I like the car.
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Given how cheap it is, and as you say, you really like it, could you not enquire about extended warranty?
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They wont extend it, ive already asked. It has only two years manufac' warranty and they will not offer an extension of this. The 3rd year dealer warranty isnt anywhere near as good as it doesnt cover things like wiring and trim faults, only mechanical and electrical components themselves according to the dealer - the sort of warranty that would drive me nuts trying to work out what was covered.
Shame but thats Fiat for you.
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Be careful,you are in very real danger of a smooth salesman taking your indecsion and confusion coupled with your desire for a long warranty and wedging you into something that doe not suit your requirments.Think lion pack and young/wounded wildebeest.
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I have worked in the motor trade since I was 18 which makes it ten years now - never met a salesman who could talk me into anything as I usually do my homework on a car before I arrive, often I know more about them than they do, such was the case with a Citroen salesman who thought he was Gods gift but had no idea that when launched, the Berlingo was a 3dr!
The only thing I havent done is driven many of the newer models and obviously havent owned them all, which makes the BR a great resource because owners experiences are very telling and they point out some obscure but often useful things you only notice when you live with a car.
The most likely candidate for being 'wedged' is the salesman when me and the Mrs do our good cop bad cop routine to get the price we want - if we have to chase him into a corner and beat a good deal out of him, we are always game - she loves playing the hard to please misses, even though her true nature is quite the opposite :-)
I once asked for another salesman on account of the fact the salesman I was dealing with had no manners and didnt have a clue - I wonder what his boss said to him when I had gone ( and I bought the car too from the far better replacement salesman ).
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They probably shared the commision and had a good laugh about 'the mug punter that got all stroppy but still bought the car'Boss could not care less,they still sold a car between them.
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They probably shared the commision and had a good laugh about 'the mug punter that got all stroppy but still bought the car'Boss could not care less they still sold a car between them.
Where I used to work, any salesman who couldnt sell a car to someone who wanted to buy on account of their attitude would have been put in a dark corner somewhere or sacked - the skill of car sales is selling a car - if you cant manage it, your out - its not a team game. Commissions arent shared.
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