What is the speed Limit ???

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Fri 18 Jan 2008 08:50
What is the speed Limit ??? - ijws15
One for the legal eagles.

Noticed a signing anomaly this morning.

Drove through Gilson, small village with no streetlights, 30 sign on entry and 30 repeaters. About 200 yards beyond village (still with 30 repeaters you come to a full size 40 sign on the left and a repeater size 40 sign on the right. The repeaters switch to 40s.

Now is the 40 correctly signed or does the speed limit stay at 30 because the 40 is not signed correctly, or does the lack of 30 repeaters after the 40 sign mean that neither 30 or 40 is valid and NSL of 60 applies?

B4117 heading towards Coleshill.
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Fri 18 Jan 2008 10:07
What is the speed Limit ??? - Ruperts Trooper
From your description it starts at 30 and changes to 40.
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Fri 18 Jan 2008 10:20
What is the speed Limit ??? - Hamsafar
30mph repeaters are illegal (I have never seen them, but painted on road it's OK)
Major to minor side street with lower limit, only one sign on left is required.
Sizes of roundels when entering a new limit seem to be 'recommended' sizes....
www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/tpm/tal/signsandsignals/s...s
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Fri 18 Jan 2008 10:45
What is the speed Limit ??? - Group B
If the signs and the repeaters say 40 I would do 40. Not 30 or 60...

;o)

30mph repeaters are illegal


30mph repeaters not used on lit roads, but are required on 30mph roads with no street lighting, as per your link.

Edited by Rich 9-3 on 18/01/2008 at 10:47

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Fri 18 Jan 2008 18:15
What is the speed Limit ??? - b308
30mph repeaters are illegal (I have never seen them but painted on road it's OK)
Major to minor side street with lower limit only one sign on left is required.
Sizes of roundels when entering a new limit seem to be 'recommended' sizes....
www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/tpm/tal/signsandsignals/s...s


H, reading your link it contradicts your first sentance - according to the link 30 repeaters are only banned if the road is lit, and even if it is the lights have to be a certain distance appart - the OP said the village was unlit, therefore it should be legal?

Churchill, a village near Brum has similar 30 repeaters and is unlit, the limit was reduced a few years ago from 40, though I don't know why as the nature of the road tended to keep people's speed down already.......

(Ooops, should have read next post more carefully!)

Edited by b308 on 18/01/2008 at 18:17

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Fri 18 Jan 2008 10:54
What is the speed Limit ??? - Billy Whizz
OP - Why do you think this is an anomaly?

Edited by Billy Whizz on 18/01/2008 at 10:54

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Fri 18 Jan 2008 12:27
What is the speed Limit ??? - ijws15
I believe that a limit must have a sign on both sides of the street at the entry to it, does the 40 mph repeater in place of a full size sign contravene this, and if so what is the limit on this piece of road?

I know they meant it to be 40!
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Fri 18 Jan 2008 14:28
What is the speed Limit ??? - Dwight Van Driver
So you enter the village and there are 30 signs either side. There is no streetlighting so the 30 mph is a result of an Order. Due to the absence of street lighting then repeater 30 signs required at intervals. Had there been street lighting then a restricted road and 30 applies. Repeaters to show not NSL.

At the end of the 30 Order, a further Order is in place imposing at 40 limit. There is a large sign on the nearside 40 and a small 40 sign on the offside. The size of these signs can vary between 1500mm and 300mm and unless some can advise otherwise, whilst for symmetry both same size would be ideal, cannot find the absolute requirement that both signs should be same size. Repeater required in the 40 and generally they are the 300mm size.

It may well be worth having a word with Highways to replace the offside sign to a size similar to the nearside to remove any confusion.

dvd
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Fri 18 Jan 2008 16:37
What is the speed Limit ??? - GroovyMucker
Electric trains don't have smoke.
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Fri 18 Jan 2008 17:34
What is the speed Limit ??? - ijws15
DVD - Thanks, did not realise the entry sign could be as small as 300mm.

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