Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vivaro
Hi all, just bought a nearly new ex Bt vivaro from a salvage auction, its spot on now other than the speed limiter. Anyone know how to remove it? Anyone know what the 3 fuses next to each other under the dash under the steering wheel are? Thanks in advance.

Edited by Dynamic Dave on 26/11/2007 at 18:52

Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Screwloose
You'll need someone with a good French scanner as it's just an ECU setting.

There are two limiters; one limits the revs in the lower gears to try and protect the fragile transmission and the other sets the overall top speed.

Edited by Pugugly {P} on 26/11/2007 at 20:36

Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vivaro
What does the ecu control (to restrict top speed) - the fuel pump, fly by wire throttle, fuel govenor or turbo boost? Etc

What do you mean by scanner?

When you say french, do you mean because it is in effect a renault traffic?

Edited by Pugugly {P} on 26/11/2007 at 21:50

Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vivaro
Also, ive seen vivaros that have
1.9 cdti, im guessing 82 bhp
1.9 dti, ?
1.9 cd(ti) in red 100 odd bhp
and mine that says just vivaro on the back but it is a 57 plate.

What engine has mine got?
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Screwloose

If your one has been de-badged; then you'll have to go by the engine code that's printed low on the front of the engine, gearbox end.

It'll be F9Q - ??? The missing numbers tell all.

A scanner is a diagnostic interface unit. The speed limiter is written into the software and controls the fuelling, boost, everything - all at once.

Yes; it's a re-badged Trafic. [Well, one of them...]
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vivaro
I'll have a look screwloose and check the engine code, so im guessing its not just a case of unplugging something controlled by the ecu to derestrict it
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Ruperts Trooper
If it's "nearly new" is it required to have a limiter under EC regulations introduced this year - or do BT fit limiters to their vehicles, voluntarily? In other words, can you legally remove the limiter?
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Screwloose

No; nothing to unplug that would affect it. The speed info probably is networked across from the ABS on that year and the ECU just turns down the whole engine map to keep it at 60 or whatever it's set to.

Nearly all cars and vans now have a speed limiter in the ECU software - it's just that their drivers don't realize it.

RT

That's a good point about a Euro 4 van; I don't think it's heavy enough to qualify; but after recently getting caught out over a '01 horsebox that's now had to be retrofitted with one, I'll never say never.
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vivaro
So you think it gets the speed data from the abs sensors on the hubs, not a seperate speed sensor on the speedo cable, driveshafts or maybe in the dash on the speedo?

I was thinking if not part of the abs I could disconnect or cover the sensor?
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vivaro
PS the 3 fuses under the dash are not to do with the limiter, one at least controls the 'de dar' (amber beacon)!
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - jc2
I don't know about current purchases but in the past BT,the Post Office and several other firms with big fleets ordered vehicles with unique specs-eg. restricted engine performance;"Yale" door locks,no hub caps and ,usually at a minimal price,so much so that some manufacturers did not bid for the contracts.
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - sierraman
That's right,when production of the Morris 1000 ceased BMC continued making vans for the GPO,BT being Post Office Telephones back then(1972 I think).The vans were more underpowered than restricted,as well as basic.I can still recall the joys of travelling in a diesel engined J4 on a cold winters morning.
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Screwloose
vivaro

The earlier ones did have a speed sensor; but I doubt that this one will.

It would be a bad idea to disconnect it. Not only will the engine likely default to it's lowest limiter setting; you'll probably put the ABS and airbag lights on and have to pay the dealer to turn them off.
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vivaro
At first I thought the limiter was just for BT, but from what I can gather, it is available as an option from renault/vauxhall/nissan.
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Screwloose

Pretty much standard on most vans now - becoming quite a nice little earner for those of us with good scanners.
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vivaro
Dont suppose you're near to Leicester??!
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Screwloose

'Fraid not; but they'll be loads of people up there with one. Try an independent Renfault place with a Clip, a DEC or a Texa.

Vauxhall's Tech 2 should be able to do it too - in theory...
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Collos25
Why on earth do you want to remove the limiter a piece of equipment for your own safety and to protect the mechanics of the vehicle ,won't it do 70mph as it is.
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vivaro
Safety feature? If it was so important why is it not mandatory on all vans or even cars? I asked 'how to remove a vivaro limiter' not 'im thinking of removing a limiter, whats everyone opinion'. Besides have you never gone over 70mph?
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Dynamic Dave
No need for any aggression.

Take a deep breath, and relax. DD. BR Moderator.
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Ruperts Trooper
Six and half a dozen?
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vivaro
sorry
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vivaro
just checked, my engine is a 2.0 diesel M9R 780 low output with 66 kW not 84kW like the high output M9R 780 engine. Does this engine achieve more power from a bigger turbo or simply a better map?
Can mine still be derestricted via a scanner even though its not the 1.9?
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Screwloose

I've got precisely nothing on that engine code. That one will be a dealer job - if they'll do it....
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vivaro
Just tried a Renault main dealer, they reconed theyre diagonistic scanner wont fit as its a 'Vauxhall'.

Vauxhall say its a retro fit unit made by Siemans VDO and they dont have the software to alter it.

So who knows!
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Screwloose

Well that is a Renfault engine; it's in the latest generation Trafic too, so I'm surprised that their dealer says that they can't comms with it.

If it really has got a retro-fit commercial limiter; the find a VDO tacho centre and ask them if they can reset it.

Oddly; your problems stem from this engine being too new - nobody's familiar with it yet.
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vivaro
I think the renault dealer just didnt want to know, I think he was saying the diagnostic socket was different which I doubt.

Any ideas where the VDO unit could be?

Screwloose do you know where the ECU is? Ive only had a quick look, the most involved I got was looking behind the panel above the glove compartment where the passenger airbag would go.
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Screwloose

This is the new-generation Trafic so I've not had my hands on one yet; [barely even seen one] so I've no idea where the ECU is.

Don't fiddle; there's nothing that you can do yourself and these can bite. If there's a separate limiter; it will have to communicate with the ECU through the CAN-bus and removing or tampering with it may cause severe financial effects.

Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vivaro
Fair enough mate I wont, you obviuosly know what youre talking about! I just thought I might have a look because I have fitted an ugraded chip to my fiat coupe 20v turbo before.



Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vivaro
Ive had a look on google for VDO centres but havent got any closer to finding any, any ideas what to search for?
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Screwloose

Try tachograph centres; if this is a stand-alone limiter [IF...] then that's who'll fit and set them.

The pace of change in vehicle electronics means that the difference between your Fiat and this one is like comparing the Flying Scotsman and a Eurostar.
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - 24v dual ram
The speed limiter is built into the ecu, good luck with altering the setup. I am the prowd owner of a new speed restricted vivaro. I believe it is dangerous to restrict the vans to 70mph, 99% of motorway traffic travels around the 75-80mph mark. I spend between 4&6hrs a day on motorways and know how important it is to maintain the same speed as the rest of the traffic. The highway code says you can exceed the speed limit when overtaking, i have lost count of the number of times i have accelerated to avoid trouble.
Won't be doing that in my new van!
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vivaro
Tried a few main dealers, they recon it cant be done unless i swap the ecu!?
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Screwloose

Hmm; I still think that it's a configuration setting - the dealers just don't want to get involved.

Try an auto-locksmith from Yell.com or similar. Some of those are quite switched-on with ECU coding etc. and might be able to help.
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Screwloose

Just out of interest; what speed is it currently set to?
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Martin Devon
Tried a few main dealers they recon it cant be done unless i swap the
ecu!?

THEY would.

VBR...........MD
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Ruperts Trooper
The highway code says you can exceed the speed limit when overtaking i have lost
count of the number of times i have accelerated to avoid trouble.


Is that really a valid defence to speeding in the UK, I believe it is in Spain.
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vivaro
68mph!!!!

Im not that bothered about sitting at 68mph, its when I get stuck behind an old dear doing 62mph in a brg rover in the middle lane who accelarates once i attempt to overtake!
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Screwloose

Know exactly what you mean... Is that "68" on the clock - really about 62; or a true 68 on the scamera ticket?
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Ruperts Trooper
Fit larger rolling radius tyres when they need replacing.
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Martin Devon
Fit larger rolling radius tyres when they need replacing.

AND sort the ECU and then have it chipped by Simon Coe. 5th gear from 30 MPH. Drive it like an Auto' then and be in heaven. Trust me on this one.

VBR.............MD
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vivaro
I dont know of anyone as yet that can delimit the top speed or reprog the ecu. Its because its the newer 2.0 diesel not the more common 1.9
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Screwloose


The best info that I've found so far is that the dealer was right; the limiter setting is burned into the ECU's basic functions, it's not re-configurable like the Transit and you need a different ECU to get rid of it.
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Dave_TD
99% of motorway traffic travels around the 75-80mph mark.
I spend between 4&6hrs a day on motorways and know how important it is to
maintain the same speed as the rest of the traffic.


Apart from all the lorries limited to 90km/h / 56mph then...

As I understand it everything bigger than 7.5t from 1988/E reg and everything bigger than 3.5t from 2002/02 reg is restricted by law to between 80 and 90 km/h.
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - mondeo1306

my sprinter isnt restricted..........wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vivaro
Lucky you!!

So ideally then I need a second hand ecu if its just a case of plug and play.

So if anyone has one for a 2.0 diesel M9R 780 low output with 66 kW OR do you think I could plug in a 84 kw and have 115 odd unrestricted horses!!

Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Screwloose

Sadly not plug-and-play - they're security coded.

You'll need to find a dealer that would be prepared to fit and code a s/hand one - not easy.

Mis-matched ones could be more trouble than they're worth.
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vivaro
I thought they would be!!

Im guessing though, the low and highput engines share the same block/turbo/intercooler and injectors to save on production costs, mine is just a restricted version for better fuel economy.
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Screwloose

Do they share the same components? That's a big assumption.

It's amazing how many different parts are fitted over time to similar cars - let alone more powerful versions. That's why parts depts often need VIN numbers to sort out what should be fitted - and even then they can be wrong.
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vivaro
optimistic assumption!
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Screwloose
vivaro

One little snippet that I've gleaned tonight; a Renault Clip dealer-level scanner has a configuration command "SC040" that might just change the limiter setting on the M9R units.....

Find an independent Renault specialist with a up-to-date program in his Clip and see if he can do anything.
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vivaro
Will do mate, thanks alot for your efforts
Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vivaro
No one wants to know, even the renault independants cant see past the 'vauxhall' badge! They recon their scanners wont fit?!

So I need someone with Renault Clip dealer-level scanner, anyone on here have access to one?

Edited by vivaro on 20/01/2008 at 15:55

Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - vantuner
I can do it , i have a Clip which may work plus a few other tools.. email me - vantuner (a t ) live.com

Edited by vantuner on 11/01/2010 at 18:38

Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - BattleCat

Hi Mate,
Did you try VanTuner?
I have the same problem (restricted 1.9 cdti vivaro) would love a solution.

Thanks for starting this thread.
Ed

Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - passy0401

you can de restrict the vivaro by using opcom,vauxcheck or tech 2.you need key code for van to access programming to alter the speed sensor.

go into special funcion and go into limitor menu, if not available go into a.b.s e.c.u on opcom and you can alter peramiters through diagnostics interface.

if you do not have key code for van you can buy "tacho vag 3.01/opel immo" and it will hack e.c.u to obtain key code of van (it will also do milage correction on binicals) which will save you getting ripped off by vauxhall/renault for apllying for key code.

i have all diagnostics gear for nearly all manufactures of cars/vans (peugeot,s***reon,vauxhall,volvo,audi,vw,skoda,saab,fiat,bmw etc) and are all fully funtioning diagnostics gear.

if you get any problems or need any help you can email me on danpassy@msn.com

hope this helps :-)

Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Appocolyptica

f you do not have key code for van you can buy "tacho vag 3.01/opel immo" and it will hack e.c.u to obtain key code of van (it will also do milage correction on binicals) which will save you getting ripped off by vauxhall/renault for apllying for key code.

Bull. This is antiquated software and and will not extract the pin. Renault Explorer, AVDI Renault Commander or ICC will get the pin. You can also access with long code on DDT2000. The only other other way is to read the dump from UCH and use BRAIN.exe to calculate it yourself.

Im in Peterborough and have Clip if thats any good to anyone. Clip will access all Renault Traffic modules and computers. Limiter can sometimes be lifted with clip though often the limiter is set into VMAX on the fuel map. Map can be read with Galletto for upto 2006 with Bosch C15C2 ECU or BDM for EDC16 ECU's as they are locked and require bench reading.

Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - jjp2012

I have a late 06 vivaro 19dti which I took to a remap garage to get the BHP lifted but mainly to have the limiter removed.. They couldn't see it on the map..I have now found out that certain models of vivaro were sold as ecoflex with speed limiters to 62mph.

I myself have got op com software and could find no limiter paramiters to change nor could I get access to the "special features" as these were greyed out.

I have spoken to other so called remap specialists who say it cannot be de restricted. The main dealer said some can and some cant but they wanted me to give the 70 notes to have a look...Surely they would know by the vin number?

What I would really like to know is has anbody, actually, successfully removed a speed restrictor off a vivaro and if so who did it and can they do mine.......?

Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Autotechnix

I came across this post and it looks like it has never been clearly answered:

Most Renault based vans have a speed limiter option in the engine managment system, the settings can be changed to suit the owner's requirements from 50 mph to 68 mph (From memory) or no restriction at all, this needs to be carried out with a professional diagnostic programming system.

If it has had a Siemens type speed restrictor installed, it will need to be professionally rewired usually it is hard wired through the electronic accelerator pedal.

Most Renault dealers that I know do not like changing the speed restriction settings and their software also requires the vans chassis number to be entered first which rules out Vauxhall or Nissan vans being worked on by them.

Also, the original Vaux Com does not have the special functions greyed out unlike the Chinese cloned version Op Com.

I hope this information is of use.

Regards

Alan @ Autotechnix

Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - Peter D

"The highway code says you can exceed the speed limit when overtaking" No it does not. That would be breaking the law. Regards Peter

Vivaro - Removing speed limiter? - focussed

The Highway Code states that when overtaking a driver/rider should:-

"Move quickly past the vehicle you are overtaking,once you have started to overtake. allow plenty of room. Move back to the left as soon as you can but don't cut in."

It makes no mention of any requirement to check your speedometer whilst overtaking.