A little more sympathy please.
We have a footpath outside our house and the council have fairly recently painted dotted white lines on it and put up a few signs showing footpath parking is OK. I really can't see why it's alright on my narrow footpaths and not on some near identical others in my area.
Perhaps I can though - a few years back when my neighbours got tickets for footpath parking they all got together and for week or so they all parked cars in the road (on both sides) and not on the footpaths. The congestion and frayed tempers was a sight to behold in the morning and evening peak hours.
A few weeks later we got our dotted white lines. It's strange how these dotted lines suddenly seem make the footpaths wider so that disabled persons and pushchairs can pass by easily when before they couldn't !
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>>so why do you think driving on it is ok?
I would not call it driving on footpath,I also dont think its a problem parking on path if councils allow it,if they dont mind I dont.
>>Cycling on the pavement is not allowed
Tis in certain places around my area, but cyclists dont use them they get on drivers nerves by blocking the road where they dont need to
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to be fair to jagman i think he did everything right but got hit by a stickler area mr ticket man
dont get me wrong i hate pavement parkers but i dont live in londonian where needs sometimes must
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This is why we need Japanese kei car rules here in the UK, no parking space then small car or none at all.
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Exactly bb.
I don't hate pavement parkers at all. It's often the best place to park, sometimes the only one.
It's always obvious either from the size of the road alone or the fact that other people are already parked there.
And we all know how annoying it is to suddenly get into trouble over something that has always been perfectly all right until that moment.
People are going to say: what about the disabled, the blind, the elderly, women with special wide triplet pushchairs.
The government should arrange immediately for all such people, and those in similar categories, to live in streets where no one has to park on the pavement. It's easy when you know how.
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I think the problem is that when the road is narrow the pavement usually is too. There's a pavement I walk along sometimes where a shop owner parks his car fully on the pavement, narrowing it right down - wish someone would give him a ticket.
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"If you can't leave room for emergency vehicles on the road, then park elsewhere and walk. Emergency vehicles, especially fire engines, will push your car out of the way with no mercy and then send you the bill."
My nephew is a firefighter - called to a fire in an industrial estate - narrow road where the police had many times asked the local businesses to move the cars. On this day, his senior officer told just "go for it". he severely damaged 8 cars, and bent the bumper on his Scania fire tuck. The police charged the business in charge of the vehicles parked (a) for parking partially on the pavement, (b) for causing obstruction, and (c) for parking the wrong direction in a one way street.
The cars and the businesses? Car body shops - and the cars belonged to customers whose cars were awaiting collection!
On another theme - my mate is disabled and must use a wheelchair (he cannot walk at all). How annoying it is for him to actually have to use the roadway becuase some ignorant sod has parked his car on the pavement making it too narrow for his wheelchair.
Just the other day saw a mother and child in pushchair have to go into the road (very busy bus route) because of a parked car.
I have no sympathy for people who park on pavements and get a penalty for it.
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Where arrangements are made to mark out a small section of pavement, so that everyone can get along, thats progress. But its objectionable when drivers block the footway, or drive AT pedestrians to intimidate, or through myopic selfishness. Other aspect is that delivery wagons etc are imposing a load on pavements not designed for it: as on a local road where council employee parks his hefty van, so the surface is now a series of ponds when wet:)
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>> I would not call it driving on footpath
You always get a team of helpful neighbours to lift your car onto the pavement then?
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What doesn't seem to occur to most people is that the foundations of pavements are not generally sufficiently substantial to cope with motorised vehicles. Parking on the pavement can cause damage to underground services. Outside the first house we bought a gas leak occurred due (according to the repair man) to pavement parking.
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This is the problem with cars getting ever wider - such as the new Mondeo. They may look great in the designers mind but are less practical in the real world.
Sorry, jagman, you'll have to take the medicine like a good little boy, and swap your Jag for a Smart.
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Ouch - The fine I can handle, but swapping my Jag for a Smart......... now that really hurts ;0)
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I thought I had a valid point, but it seems the anti-pavement parking brigade want to dominate without any discussion. Shame really.
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>>but it seems the anti-pavement parking brigade want to dominate without any discussion
Yes and you will probably find these are the worst offenders ;)
I have often found someone that complains about pavement parking is usually the first to do it when in a hurry then Deny it,if there is a sign to say you can I do
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I thought I had a valid point but it seems the anti-pavement parking brigade want to dominate without any discussion. Shame really.
Actually, there seems to be plenty of discussion ... it's just that you don't like the answers.
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Actually, there seems to be plenty of discussion ... it's just that you don't like the answers.
Wrong, wrong, wrong - there is no discussion. It's all seems to be a rant against parking on pavements as though it was morally wrong to do so and akin to wife battering or even using the wrong type of light bulb or not owing a Toyota Pius. Personally, I don't really give a monkey's whatsit whether car drivers do or don't.
I simply observed that round my way it was an offence to park on the footpath in all the local roads, but when it became expedient to ease traffic flow in my one particular road it suddenly became legal.
I said : "A few weeks later we got our dotted white lines. It's strange how these dotted lines suddenly seem make the footpaths wider so that disabled persons and pushchairs can pass by easily when before they couldn't ! "
So my argument is that the decision to permit it did not require reinforcement of the footway foundations, did not require the disabled and others to contort themselves around vehicles and hurt themselves. The decision was political and practical. I was hoping the erudite, well-educated, very observant and generally all round bright ones in the backroom to a take a view - but they must all be away in Bournemouth or somewhere.
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Irresponsible pavement parking really bugs me, I will confess I wasn't always especially careful with the pushchair whilst squeezing past some of the pavement blockers I used to encounter when the kids were small. (and once my daughters arm was quite badly hurt when it got trapped in tiny gap between car and pushchair)
Even so, I do think there's a significant grey area in places that pavement parking has, out of necessity, become the norm and doesn't inconvenience anyone. It wouldn't be a bad thing if local councils identified these areas and clearly marked them as parking permitted. Until they do though, the law is pretty clear, it's just unfortunate that the enforcement's a bit random and inconsistent.
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Croydon actually DE, via M25 and very easy today thanks.
I said above that I favoured pavement parking, with or without dotted white lines. Paris style is particularly suave, one wheel on a pedestrian crossing and another on the step of a bar. It's always a scrum in urban areas. If they don't like it they should live in the country.
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i said i understand in londonian it is mostly needed due to too many cars
i also said i dont like pavement parkers where people take it onto themselves to stop walkers walking,i cant really be clearer than that
,can i?
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I used to live in Twickenham where pavement parking was originally banned when the London wide ban was introduced, us locals invited the council to get an emergency vehicle down the road with cars parked either side but no on the pavement, the councillors sensibly decided that they would let vehicles park on the pavement, however the signage is ambiguous at best & visitors are never sure how to park their vehicle.
In fact it was one such vehicle parked on the road that prevented a fire engine getting to the garage fire at my house, (another story, but a bad day for classic cars), no lives at stake, fire engine waited for errant car to be moved.
There is a definite case for pavement parking if the pavement can handle it & circumstances justify it, people stating park somewhere else or have a car only if there is space to park it clearly aren't on my wavelength, I can park all my vehicles off road at home but the idea of having a vehicle is to travel & that sometimes involves parking at unfamiliar destinations, the council parking dictators are very aware of this & are exploiting to the full.
Just ask anyone living in London Borough of Richmond.
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I have great sympathy for anyone parking on pavemenst: as much as anyone caught speeding.
madf
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In some places, there are more cars than people who use pavement. So, parking with one set of wheels on pavement is actually better than blocking the traffic flow.
It's a musical chair game. Unfotunately you've got caught - so have to pay up.
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