Article in "The Daily Telegraph" at:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007...l
List of cars at:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2007/07/31/car.p...f
The "Volkswagen Polo BlueMotion" seems to have the fewest emissions. Car tax seems to be £0/per annum.
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oh where does an armour plated range rover or jag as per gordons transport come in the list?
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I still want to see the figures for manufacturing these cars and the justification (or not) for scrapping a little used runabout and replacing it with a more tax efficient model.
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yep and which ones involve the least green transport for their parts etc, most electric used in production, pollution caused by battery production/disposal (prius would be interesting here?), which ones eat tyres
theres lots more to being environmental than these govt figures suggest
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As Prudence has just jetted across the Atlantic in a chartered Boeing for a quick chat with George and his cronies and bored a couple of big organisations' representatives to death with is views of how the world should be run, I for once take little notice of the Government's claimed green credentials or advice.
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What\'s for you won\'t pass you by
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I think id better invest in a horse and cart, I feel so guilty about how bad my car and van are. My van isnt even Euro 4 compliant, eek!
Or of course, if I believe that the seas will rise and the temp will get hotter, maybe ill just build my house on a hill and buy a better air con unit, maybe even buy a lil boat? Hmm, its such a hard choice.
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It's a trade-off.
The greener the cheaper.
But
The cheaper the more boring.
(It's really to please the Sunday drivers, the tree huggers, the eco-fascists and - as it has been throughout my 6 decades of motoring - the anti-motoring-enjoyment cranks.)
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But surely Tomo there must be a couple of entertaining little rockets in there? Apt for nipping through the clouds of waddling slackjawed carp on today's roads? And charging unmolested through cental London?
Courage!
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What a depressing list of cars.
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HJ: please tell us which are the entertaining little rockets (if any of course).
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Crumbs HJ, that list of sub-121g CO2 cars has grown incredibly in the last few months! There were only a handful when I bought my C4 HDI EGS (2 weeks before the tax went down in the budget!!). Me-thinks that at this rate Ken won't be giving free CON charge to them after all!!
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And yet still the ignorant/vain/politicians think the only solution is to drive a hybrid - there's an interesting leader in this months Car magazine by Gavin Green on this very subject.
Like why do politicians hate the car industry? Why do they promote hybrids when home grown diesels are as efficient in the real world?
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HJ: please tell us which are the entertaining little rockets (if any of course).
Mini Cooper D, with 1.6l engine, 72.4mpg combined, 104g CO2, 110bph, 0-62 in 9.9s can't be too bad.
Failing that BMW 118d with 2l engine?
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those are the new even more efficient figures btw, not the ones above
www.autospies.com/news/Forget-the-Prius-MINI-Coope.../
Pretty amazing.
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How many new car buyers are genuinely influenced by emission figures when making their choice? I bet it's not many.
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L\'escargot.
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When emissions are related to taxes, quite a few buyers are influenced by emissions, judging by reports of the decline in demand for larger petrol engined cars, not just 4x4s.
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But why is the govt so obsessed with purely looking at how much CO2 these cars throw out their exhausts? Why not look at the carbon footprint over the entire life span of the vehicle and its components. Have read somewhere that taking into account the construction process and materials used the Prius has quite a big impact on the environment, and that overall a Jeep has a lower carbon footprint.
Additionally (although this did come from the Mail so wouldn't take it as gospel) the factory that produces the batteries for the prius has decimated a large part of Canada and turned it from forest to barren wasteland.
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But why is the govt so obsessed with purely looking at how much CO2 these cars throw out their exhausts? Why not look at the carbon footprint over the entire life span of the vehicle and its components. Have read somewhere that taking into account the construction process and materials used the Prius has quite a big impact on the environment and that overall a Jeep has a lower carbon footprint.
That study was complete garbage based on assuming the Prius would be scrapped after about 2 years while the Jeep (actually a Hummer) would last forever.
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What a depressing list of cars.
Indeed. Had a Peugeout 107 this week while the Accord was in for its fourth operation on its electric tailgate. If I had wanted to drive a sewing machine, this would have been a good car. Such a relief to get back into the Honda!
BIG
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>> What a depressing list of cars. Indeed. Had a Peugeout 107 this week while the Accord was in for its fourth operation on its electric tailgate. If I had wanted to drive a sewing machine this would have been a good car. Such a relief to get back into the Honda!
Well, the 2.2l diesel Accord does just 145g (not to mention 51mpg), which is not so far away from 120g, I daresay in future cars of this size will get in under 120g.....
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I would treat those figures with caution I am running a pug 1007 1.4hdi dolce at the moment and its figures for taxation from thr DVLA are 114g the brochure from Peugeot says 124 and is taxed at £35 the same car with the same engine same output but has better trim but designated "sport"has to pay £115 because for taxation the DVLA have designated it 124g.One more point in mainland europe they use a different system altogether using Euro 12345 plus particle count for diesels its big business at the moment in Germany to get particle filters fitted because some cities and its spreading will not allow you to enter without a badge stating the emissions (which you also have to pay for).
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sport may have more extras which increases CO2 output.
There was an issue with smarts in the early days of splitting tax. Top spec drivers paid more road tax than middle spec as top spec had an auto mode on the gearbox and this increased CO2 output. Same car, same engine - ironically the middle model had a greater bhp output, yet still paid less tax.
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The new Polo Bluemotion can be in band A (£0 RFL) or band B (£35 RFL).
Band A cars have no A/C. Band B cars do.
For the sake of £35, I think I would chose a band B car!
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