Honda Jazz - Made in China - etybagem

I am interested in buying a new Honda Jazz but have read that since Honda switched production to China the quality of the finish has plummeted, with leaks, rattles, creaks and general poor finishing. Can anyone comment on this please - is it truth or rumour? Is production now in China for all Jazz cars or can one specify where the car is to be made before buying?

Edited by Honestjohn on 31/05/2010 at 20:37

Honda Jazz - Made in China - Falkirk Bairn
IIRC no China Jazz cars are in the UK, Europe Yes but not the UK - they are made in several countries -in Japan & Thailand to name 2.

There is reputed to be a new model - slightly bigger(longer & wider) and a 1.5 Ltr engine option in the very near future. May be worth a wait as the 1.2 and 1.4 are deemed underpowered by some.
Honda Jazz - Made in China - movilogo
Yes, I also heard this.

Basically I don't from when exactly they will (or have) start(ed) selling Chinese made cars in UK.

But I personally won't buy Jazz if they are made in China.

I know Chinese products are reliable (all electronics) but for cars, I'll rather wait few more years before buying a Chinese car!

Honda Jazz - Made in China - Pugugly {P}
Be interesting to see how much more reliable Rover's products will be now that they are made in China, my money on on them being better.
Honda Jazz - Made in China - Falkirk Bairn
Even if the Jazz is a car made in China it is not a "Chinese Car" it is Japanese made in China.

Just as the 5 door Auris is Derby Japanese, the 3dr Auris is Turkish Japanese, the Aygo (C1 & 107) are Slovakian Japanese.

I do not really think it matters where they are built but it is who is designing and quality controlling the manufacture.
Honda Jazz - Made in China - Bill Payer
Only LHD models are made in China.

I wouldn't say the existing engines are underpowered - we have a 1.4 and it feels quite 'torquey' as a result of the dual spark plug ignition. It's more that adequate for city use and we've driven ours 4 up + luggage on airports runs on the motorway with no concerns.

I've never driven a 1.2 but understand that there's little practical difference.
Honda Jazz - Made in China - Bill Payer
The first letter of the VIN gives its country of manufacture - J Japan.

By the way, there is a 1.5 engine in other markets but apparently no plans to offer it in Europe. There is talk of a small diesel - that would be quite a big step as Honda don't already have one.
Honda Jazz - Made in China - nortones2
The 2.2 diesel would do nicely. Apparently it will squeeze in the existing Jazz:)
Honda Jazz - Made in China - Aprilia
Jazz have been assembled in China for about two years - I have been to the city where they are made (Guangzhou). They are made by CHAC - the China Honda Automobile Co. - like everything in China its a 'joint venture' between Honda and local Chinese state government. There is also an engine plant there - Dongfeng Honda Engine Co. (IIRC Dongfeng means 'Long March' !).
The number of Jazz made by CHAC is quite small, around 10,000 a year I think, they are all LHD and as far as I know they go to Germany - but this may have changed because my information is a year old.
I wouldn't expect them to be any different from cars assembled elsewhere. All the QA is done by the Japanese and most of the parts are shipped in.
Honda Jazz - Made in China - PeterRed
My MIL has a 1.4CVT and it seems pretty nippy to me. It's beautifully put together too. In fact, if I could afford to, I'd swap it for my Passat 1.8 turbo any day.
Honda Jazz - Made in China - mike hannon
This is bad news for me - I have thought for a long time there's a LHD Jazz out there with my name on it. I know I'll have to succumb before I get too much older. But if French market ones are made in China I think I'll give it a miss. I'm sure Honda are very fussy about quality control - as they were when Austin Rover were building for them and half the product apparently had to be taken apart and put together again properly - but I'd rather give the Chinese a chance to get some long-term experience in precision engineering before my money goes into one.
It was interesting to see the name of the city where the factories are. My pal is teaching English at the university there - apparently it (an engineering specialist university) is ranked 253rd among Chinese universities! But he says the students are like sponges, so willing to learn...
Honda Jazz - Made in China - Bill Payer
This is bad news for me - I have thought for a long time there's
a LHD Jazz out there with my name on it.


No problem if you're buying used - as I pointed out earlier, just make sure the first letter of the VIN is J, indicating made in Japan.

Aprilia: Is the total production of the China factory 10Kish/yr, or are they making a lot for the home market? 10K/yr (200/wk) seems hardly worth bothering.
Honda Jazz - Made in China - etybagem
Thanks for all the comments - as I will be looking for a car for the UK it appears from what everyone has written that a Jazz is unlikely to be Chinese made/assembled, at least in the short term. I appreciate that Honda are ultimately responsible for quality, which is a plus - I have had an Accord for the last six years and it has been exceptional in all respects. I note the comments on the engine. It is the absence of a bigger engine as well as the 'China question' that has stopped me taking the plunge and buying one so far. I gather that dealers laugh at requests for discounts on the Jazz?
Honda Jazz - Made in China - Bill Payer
I gather that dealers laugh at requests for discounts on the Jazz?

I'm not so sure about that - I got an email from my local dealer yesterday with a couple of finance offers on Jazz. OK, they weren't very attractive, but I can't recall seeing anything offered before.

Also, I think people are becoming more aware of the new Jazz coming, and the current one is a bit long in the tooth.

I'm pleased with ours, bought new in Sept 03 (I got a few hundred pounds off, and things like mats / flaps / side bumpers / extra fob at "cost") but Jazz looks stupidly expensive now compared to most other superminis. We looked at a Yaris Zinc recently for our daughter (based on 1.3 T3, with met paint and alloys) and that was available for around £9500. And it has 7 airbags, compared to the Honda's 2.
Honda Jazz - Made in China - rjr
No problem if you're buying used - as I pointed out earlier just make sure
the first letter of the VIN is J indicating made in Japan.


I believe that the first letter of the VIN is merely an indicator of which country the manufacturer is based in not the country the car was assembled in. As Honda is a Japanese company all Hondas will have a VIN starting J.

Similarly all Mercedes-Benz or smart cars have a VIN beginning with W as the company is based in Germany. The cars might have been assembled in South Africa, USA, France, Netherlands etc.
Honda Jazz - Made in China - nortones2
First character in the VIN is the country of manufacture. www.autohausaz.com/html/vehicle_identification_num...l Honda made in the UK have S as their first character, as with our Civic....
Honda Jazz - Made in China - rjr
First character in the VIN is the country of manufacture.


Must vary from manufacturer to manufacturer then as I know for a fact that all MB and smart start with the German country identifier of W irrespective of where they are made (in fact all smarts begin with W but none of them are made in Germany).
Honda Jazz - Made in China - Bill Payer
UK have S as their first character as with our Civic....

Are the first 3 letters SHS? That's the World Manufacturer Identifier for Honda UK.
Honda Jazz - Made in China - nortones2
BP: SHH for the Civic.
Honda Jazz - Made in China - Bill Payer
BP: SHH for the Civic.

OK, so it looks as though they've used the SH for the UK, (in the European system, SA, SB, SC, SD, SE, SF, SG, SH, SJ, SK, SL, SM all = UK) with the third letter logically meaning Honda.
Honda Jazz - Made in China - nortones2
BP: If you look at the Autohaus link (I had a better one, but now mislaid) the method is quite clear, even if MB ignore it..... 1st symbol: country. 2nd symbol: maker. 3rd symbol: plant designation (apparently makers code).
Honda Jazz - Made in China - Bill Payer
I believe that the first letter of the VIN is merely an indicator of which
country the manufacturer is based in not the country the car was assembled in. As
Honda is a Japanese company all Hondas will have a VIN starting J.


You might be right, but VIN's vary quite a bit, for instance I used:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Automotive_VIN_codes

This fits our Jazz's VIN with the 3rd letter M = Passenger car made in Japan, and the 11th letter S = Suzuka, Japan for the assembly plant.

However the first 2 letters do also fit the World Manufacturer Indentifier list, JH for Honda, Japan.


I also noticed while searching for this that there's a 4WD Jazz exclusively sold in Japan. I wonder why? (as in; why bother to have a 4WD Jazz)
Honda Jazz - Made in China - Bill Payer
That Wilkipedia entry is out of date


Well, if you click on the 'edit this page' tab at the top, then you can contribute to it - that's the idea of Wikipedia.
Honda Jazz - Made in China - Roly93
Not that I'm planning to buy a Honda Jazz, but I certainly wouldn't buy one if it were made in China. I have bought many things in the past that were made in China ranging from a petrol hedge trimmer to a small kids toy, and the conclusion I have drawn to is that although the Chines are a very c lever race, they seem incapable of producing anything that is built to last. They are very good at making things that initially look okay, but screw up very quickly.
Honda Jazz - Made in China - Bill Payer
They are very good at making things that initially look okay but screw up very quickly.

It would put me off too, but the reasons you've stated aren't really valid in Jazz's case - it's a Japanese designed car, assembled in China to Honda's standards. It's not like you'd be buying a wholly Chinese designed and manufactured car.
Honda Jazz - Made in China - ewdrhg

You don't worry the quality of Honda Jazz "Made in China". It is well.

Honda Jazz - Made in China - Falkirk Bairn

Since last year production is Swindon.

I have owned 2 x Hondas in the last 15 years

1) 1995 Civic made in USA - fantastic quality - a couple of bulbs in 6 years

2) 2001 Swindon Civic - 93K in 6.5yrs - ate bulbs but apart from that was 100% - early gremlins were fixed under warranty.

Why not a Honda today? Honda dealer was less than honest ramping up repair bills artificially

Honda Jazz - Made in China - mike hannon

>You don't worry the quality of Honda Jazz "Made in China". It is well.<

Thanks for that vote of confidence from China. Says it all, really.

Honda Jazz - Made in China - Auristocrat

With the first generation Jazz, for the last two years of the production life, UK market cars were sourced from China. The second generation Jazz was sourced from Japan until October 2009, when production started at Swindon - and as far as I'm aware, Swindon is now the European production centre for the Jazz.

Honda Jazz - Made in China - Glenn 42

The new Jazz is made in Swindon and previous models came from Japan. From what I gather, wherever the Jazz comes from, Honda quality control has ensured these cars are at the top or near the top of every reliability survey. To me a completely reliable car that does 40-50 mpg, is good to drive and is bigger on the inside than it looks from the outside is the ultimate car buy even if used values are high.

Honda Jazz - Made in China - OmNo

I wouldn't worry too much aboput what is made in China - they are developing a very comprehensive manufcaturing base. I think as someone said above - it is a Honda but manufcatured in Japan.

It's not as if all the Nissans, Toyotas and Honda built in the UK are like British Leyland cars.

When it comes to manufcaturing we in the UK cannot really criticise anyone with our history.

Honda Jazz - Made in China - Avant

No, but we can be glad that the cars that are made here are equal in quality to those made elsewhere.

There is nothing wrong with British standards of workmanship if people are well-managed, adequately rewarded and controlled by proper quality control procedures. That signally failed to happen with British Leyland.

However automated a production process may be, much of the quality is ultimately down to human beings. That's why motivation and morale are the most important forms of control necessary within a business.

Honda Jazz - Made in China - Glenn 42

No, but we can be glad that the cars that are made here are equal in quality to those made elsewhere.

There is nothing wrong with British standards of workmanship if people are well-managed, adequately rewarded and controlled by proper quality control procedures. That signally failed to happen with British Leyland.

However automated a production process may be, much of the quality is ultimately down to human beings. That's why motivation and morale are the most important forms of control necessary within a business.

Actually British Leyland workers were well paid by the standards of the seventies, but they were dominated by far Left union shop stewards who were intent on unrest and the company was a dinosaur that was also badly run and producing cars that were way behind their rivals. All this helped to destroy the company.

Honda Jazz - Made in China - Auristocrat

We've had the following Japanese brand cars which were made in the UK:

1994 Honda Concerto - built by Rover at Longbridge, and quality checked by Honda at Swindon

1998 Nissan Primera SX and 2001 Nissan Primera S - built at Sunderland.

2006 Toyota Corolla and 2009 Toyota Auris - built at Derby.

All the above were 100% reliable and well built.

In contract our 2007 Mazda 2 Capella, is based on the Ford Fusion and built by Ford at Valencia in Spain. This has been the most troublesome car of the fifteen new cars we've had.

 

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