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Also wasn't there quite a critical improvement to the ride in post Feb03 models? This one sounds like an earlier model hence your comments about jitteriness...
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Hmm. With respect, there are a whole lot of motoring publications out there making very nice noises about the Jazz where there isn't a lot of noise about the Nissan Note or Renault Modus? Or am I looking in the wrong places?
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Maybe so, but that was my opinion - take it or leave it.
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the jazz appears to appeal to people of an older age.
i really didnt like the ride of a new jazz so i bought the note.
the modus didnt appeal as it was a fair bit smaller overall the the note even though its the same floorpan though a little shorter.
5k for a 5yr old car seems a little expensive but hondas seem to sell a little higher than other makes
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Having done a little investigation... the Modus does look interesting. Will check it out at a Renault Dealer tomorrow. Cheers for the tip - will look into it!
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Despite the latest surveys into reliability, imo anyone who buys a new Renault is depending upon a dealer network and a manufacturer whom one can trust to leave one in the lurch at the slightest opportunity.
I agree the Jazz ride is far too harsh..
The above are just my personal prejudices and do not let me stop the OP from making the wrong decision:-)
madf
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I think you did the right thing in leaving it if it didn't have a full service history. You may only get an early (2002) Jazz for £5k - there would be a greater choice of Skoda Fabias at that price, perhaps a bit newer too. The 1.4 100 bhp petrol is the one to go for, or the 1.9 TDI if your wife is going to do a high mileage.
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If your wife is worried about the high mileage, take a look here: www.hondabeat.com/highmiles.php
Mine is just reaching it's 4th birthday and with the exception of the firm ride which one soon gets used to, I cannot fault it. From day one 'till now, the overall MPG = 54.
Quality is remembered long after price is forgotten.
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Do not make the mistake we made of test driving it on a good road surface only, take it on the back roads and if you are not put off by the firm ride you will love everything else about the Jazz.
Unfortunately we were put off by the firm suspension and only kept our 2002 reg Jazz for a short time, replacing with another Civic.
The mpg, excellent and can vouch for 50+.
Mal.
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Having done a little investigation... the Modus does look interesting. Will check it out at a Renault Dealer tomorrow. Cheers for the tip - will look into it!
With the best will in the world, I really couldn't recommend a Renault if you're keeping for any length of time. I know there's a lot of people on here who love them, but the truth is there are MANY better cars about which will present you with far fewer repair bills. The Hyundai Getz is one such car (wait for the badge snobs to come out!).
I asked an AA patrolman last year what cars to avoid, and he categorically said "buy anything except a Renault or a Saab". Needless to say he had a Mitsubishi and a Nissan (pre-Renault) on his driveway at home.
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And what if you were told the Getz and the Modus have very simiar build and reliability integrity?
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My wife has a 53 plate Jazz which I drive a lot around town. It does feel a well engineered, well put together car that still impresses me as much today as the day we bought it. Ours has done 26K miles.
However, our has the supposed early 2003 ride impovements (they way you tell the difference looking at the car is that Honda also changed the casette player to a CD player at the same time) yet the ride is ?bouncy? to say the least!
Our daughter recently bought a new Mitsubishi Colt CZ1 5dr. In 5dr form the car looks remarkably like a Jazz, and is pretty well identically sized. We added a/c and got the car for £7500. If 3dr would be Ok, then they?re available for under £7000 (with a/c). If you?re firm about the £5K budget then I would imagine you?d still be looking at nearly new Colts.
You *can* tell the difference in quality between the two cars, but there?s no way I could say Jazz is worth £4000 more. The Colt certainly rides much better than our Jazz (maybe the very latest ones are better).
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>>>>>However, our has the supposed early 2003 ride impovements (they way you tell the difference looking at the car is that Honda also changed the casette player to a CD player at the same time) yet the ride is ?bouncy? to say the least!<<<<<
According to my local Honda they could not notice any difference at all in the ride on the "improved models"
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We've crept on the budget over the last few weeks. Started at 3.5k and with the addition of various pilfered savings accounts have managed to sneak up to 5K. We like diesels... even though she won't be doing many miles, the pulling power and sheer torque of a diesel is attractive.
5 door is an absolute essential. Elderly mother will not be able to get in and out of a 3-door!
It's always amazing how the opinions vary so wildly on here. There are many people out there that will tell you how unreliable and awful a Picasso is and yet I love mine to bits and it's treated me very well (touches wood). Likewise the supposedly "awful" vectra I had years ago was great and yet the car I ached for for years, the Passat 1.8 Turbo with tiptronic box was, sadly, an utter letdown apart from the pretty lights on the instrument panel!
I know it's a numbers game and if a particular make or model is more unreliable then the chances of you getting a bad one are increased and vice-versa, but you can be unlucky with supposedly reliable brands too, so I suppose you can only do the research, find something you like and take the plunge with as big a safety net as you can get!
I will investigate the modus as it appears to be available in my price band. Nissan Notes are 7.5k so out of the question. May *just* sneak a colt in a 5-ish k, but will struggle a bit I think.
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And what if you were told the Getz and the Modus have very simiar build and reliability integrity?
I'd buy one of each, and see which was still on the road after 10 years - I'd also keep records of how much I'd spent on keeping it going. As has been said elsewhere in the BR, Renault has been churning out rubbish for the last decade - how many early Meganes/Lagunas are still about? I'd sooner get the bus than endure keeping another Renault. Yes I'm bitter from personal experience, but as someone who expects a car to just work no matter what, I find Renaults disappointing. A Skoda would be good, because all the greasy bits are nicked off VW. Hyundai's petrol engines are heavily influenced by Mitsubishi, so again mechanical durability won't be an issue. It's almost taken for granted that no cars rust anymore (OK, maybe Fords do), so buying on mechanical durability alone is justified IMO.
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With the best will in the world I really couldn't recommend a Renault if you're keeping for any length of time. ... there are MANY better cars about which will present you with far fewer repair bills. The Hyundai Getz is one such car
This may be true but the latest ADAC car breakdown statistics from Germany tell a different story.
Breakdowns per 1000 cars.
Renault Modus purchased in 2006 - 3.2
Hyundai Getz purchased in 2006 - 8.0
Renault Modus purchased in 2005 - 3.1
Hyundai Getz purchased in 2005 - 10.7
Renault Modus purchased in 2004 - 5.8
Hyundai Getz purchased in 2004 - 14.4
Sure, people make jokes about statistics. But the ADAC statistics indicate Renaults manufactured 6 or 7 years ago were generally less reliable than other manufacturers. And things can change.
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Oh dear, the ADAC statistics again! As discussed elsewhere, how does ADAC define a "breakdown"? Does this take into account the cost of repair, or the subsequent inconvenience? Give me a list of statistics as long as your arm, then offer me a Modus or a Getz, and I'd pick the Getz any day of the week.
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Well all I can say is that our Modus is 2.5 years old and in that time it's let me down a big total of ZERO times.
Everything still works perfectly, car lloks like new when washed and the only thing we have had to change is one light bulb and 2 tyres in 22k miles.
Modus or Getz? Modus everytime for me thanks!
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Interior space is important to us. Two daughters with long legs (one over 6ft already) mean we need the rear legroom and it looks like the Getz lags behind the Modus in that respect... but I haven't investigated this fully yet!
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Well all I can say is that our Modus is 2.5 years old and in that time it's let me down a big total of ZERO times.
...Which is what anyone should expect from any car that's not even out of warranty. I have a 7 year-old Almera, and it's also let me down ZERO times! Haven't changed any light-bulbs either! ;-) My previous car was 16 years old and let me down once (plus an alternator and a couple of light-bulbs!), after which it went the journey! Incidentally it covered 14k a year in the 3-year period i owned it.
Seriously though, the OP states that his wife has just got rid of a 13 year old MK3 Fiesta (let's face it, those 1.3 OHV Ford engines sound awful but they do tend to last a long time). He obviously, like me, buys a car to last. I have much more faith in the longevity of anything far-eastern over anything Renault make. I'd recommend a Citroen, a Skoda, a VW, even a Fiat over a Renault. Yes they look nice, but they're not a patch on a Honda, and I very much doubt that you'd get 13 years of good service out of one. By all means, buy one and prove me wrong.
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The point I was trying to make (and which I expect you know yourself) is that there is a generalisation that all Renaults are bad and that buying one will only lead to years of expense and misery.
Utter rubbish - if that was the case we would see hundred and hundreds of Renaults stranded on motorway hard shoulders, in the streets etc.
I am sure that for every tale of woe you can tell me about someone who has owned a Renault and regretted it I can tell you a story of happyness and pleasure in having owned a Renault - doesn't prove anything one way or other.
The only thing which really counts is hard facts about breakdowns - and if I am reading those previously published figures correctly it looks like the Modus is a damn sight more reliable than the Getz.
Each to his own.
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Oh dear the ADAC statistics again!
Heh, heh, heh. You thought you could escape them, eh? Not so my friend. They will pursue you to the grave. You will never escape. Heh, heh, heh, heh, heh, heh!
(OK, I apologise for dragging them out again. Next time I mention them, I'll begin my post with an apology.)
No - they don't take into account the cost of the repair, or the subsequent inconvenience. But the fact that the 2003 statistics agree completely with what your AA man said would seem to indicate that they tend to see eye to eye. If Renault reliability and build quality improved dramatically between 2003 and 2005, I would not expect one AA man to notice it.
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This one just popped up on Autotrader at £4794 and is the 80bhp+ diesel rather than the 65bhp one. Looks interesting...? Price seems good to me, what do you guys think? 70K miles though - ok in a diesel of that age (must be motorway at only 2 and a bit years old?)
hxxp://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/www/CARS_popup.jsp?nU=0&make=RENAULT&
model=MODUS&min_pr=4000&max_pr=6000&postcode=LE19%202BU&miles=40&max_r
ecords=200&modelexact=1&photo=1&hassearched=Y&start=1&distance=26&adca
tegory=CARS&channel=CARS&id=200719284227118
(replace hxxp with http, obviously!)
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Seems a bit steep for that mileage TBH.
Ours has only done 22k miles (1.5Dci) and if I was selling it privately I would ask no more than £6k. It's the Dynamique model with a/c and rear sun blinds and panoramic sunroof.
A very quick look on ebay revealed the following car being sold through traders:-
hxxp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2004-54-Renault-Modus-Dynamique-1-4-5-Doors-Hatc
hback_W0QQitemZ200111904710QQihZ010QQcategoryZ9861QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
There were plenty of low mileage examples selling from £4,700 upwards
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Don't think I'd buy a Jazz with 60K+ miles to replace a car with 72K miles. And the older Jazzes had ride/refinement problems. Better cars out there for 5K IMO - as discussed already.
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(replace hxxp with http obviously!)
Why not just shorten the extra long link with tinyurl (there's now a function in the Announcements
area of this forum) and post the shortened link that's given to you.
DD.
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