>> These cars share the same 150 hp diesel engine from GM. >> I think you are wrong. GM and Saab sharing the same 150hp diesel engine from Fiat/Alfa.
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The engine was a joint GM/Fiat development as was the 1.3 & 2.4. However Alfa used it first in the 147/156 whilst Vauxhall in the UK eventually used it because the rubbish 2.2 couldn't meet the later emission rules. SAAB now contaminated by GM so also use it. The 3litre Diesel is an Izusu lump also used in the Rodeo & various other cars.
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I wouldn't have said the GM 2.2 diesel was rubbish as such. It doesn't compete with modern diesel units on emmissions, noise levels or economy but it is a reliable chain driven unit nonetheless. Colleague has one and it can shift.
From what I've read about these modern common rail units, old tech isn't necessarily all bad where diesel engines are concerned.
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I wouldn't have said the GM 2.2 diesel was rubbish as such. It doesn't compete with modern diesel units on emmissions noise levels or economy but it is a reliable chain driven unit nonetheless. Colleague has one and it can shift. From what I've read about these modern common rail units old tech isn't necessarily all bad where diesel engines are concerned.
I know several people who bought something else based on how bad it was! In period it was grim, this is compared to it's peers.
If you must have a diesel then old tech = reliable & CR = liability. Especially once they start getting a few miles on them.
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Actually, the opinion on Vectra-C.com is that the GM 2.2 diesel is the most unreliable engine in the range. The Fiat 1.9 is not perfect, but so far has a better record. Both have very expensive failures that are fairly common, but the 2.2 DTI is more troublesome in general.
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Well I'm going to go with the Alfa 159 Sportwagon (read estate), subject to liking it after a days test drive!
I was intending to get a Saab 9-3 estate until the Alfa had been out a bit longer (as I MUCH prefer the Alfa design to the 9-3), but I may have a good deal on a '07 plate ex-demo 1.9 TiD Lusso.
If it comes-off, it will cost me less than my Passat did in September 2000, (although the Passat was new as opposed to an ex-demo).
I much prefer the shape to any other current estate available, BMW 3 series touring, Merc. (with the exception of the E class, which is too expensive), new Passat, Accord or the A4 Avant.
I'm not too bothered about depreciation as I intend keeping it for at least five years+.
Comments on a postcard please.
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Excellent choice. :)
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Yes I agree. Try www.alfaowner.com its a good place for alfa, err, owners!
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I wouldn't have said the GM 2.2 diesel was rubbish as such. It doesn't compete with modern diesel units on emmissions noise levels or economy but it is a reliable chain driven unit nonetheless. Colleague has one and it can shift. From what I've read about these modern common rail units old tech isn't necessarily all bad where diesel engines are concerned.
Here here Marc, i've got the 2.0dti in my 03 Vectra C, 100,000 miles never missed a beat and doesnt use a drop of oil, perfectly quiet at 70mph and averaging 53 mpg.
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And the relevance is what, the 2Litre is a totally different engine.
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Exatcly. The 2.0 DTI is related, but not the same. There are many more problems with the 2.2 DTI than the 2.0. Hoses in particular is a very weak spot on the 2.2, but not really an issue on the 2.0.
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I beg your pardon, i thought the two were virtually identical apart from 25bhp and balancer shafts on the 2.2. What else is different then?
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