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Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Rattle
When my Fiesta 1.1 is cold there is little smoke, after about 6-7 miles the smoke gets quite bad, its not burning fuel and there is not a single bit of miss fire, but the smoke gets quite bad almost emberassingly so.

As with my previews threads my mechanic reckons its the camshaft which is damaged but is there any short term solution to reduce the smoke a bit?

The service has not mad any difference whats so ever :(
Car burning oil when hot - L'escargot
Sounds to me like worn cylinder bores or piston rings etc. Short term, you could try a higher viscosity oil. Don't get caught by the police for emitting smoke.
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L\'escargot.
Car burning oil when hot - Lud
Could be valve guide seals.

Does it, er, rattle?
Car burning oil when hot - jc2
The cheapest 20w-50 you can find-probably WILKO.
Car burning oil when hot - Rattle
Yep it rattles a lot :) I've only had the car for two weeks, is it a good idea to sell it now or will be a potential buyer be suspicuous?

How much would it be worth in its current state? The steering, brakes, bodywork, clutch and gearbox are in good condition.
Car burning oil when hot - jc2
Valve seals usually soften and seal when they get hot.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - piston power
A compression test is req, i pulled the head off and did the stem seal's for £50.00 and that inc oil& filter,plugs air filter etc, it will cut some down but if your bores are worn and valve guides are worn then it's time for a rebuild!!
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - bbroomlea{P}
I had something similar with an old Metro GTa a number of years ago. It was burning oil once warm, when cold it was ok. That rattled, or more knocked and it was a broken piston ring. A compression test will be a good place to start, shouldnt cost more than a tenner
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - nortones2
Have you checked the oil level? The only Ford I ever had smoked like a trooper due to incompetently overfilling the sump. Self inflicted:(
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - jc2
I fitted a new set of std. rings on my 1.1;bores were ok.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Rattle
How much is it likely to cost at a garage? Bearing in mind that there is still a cam rattle is it worth having it done? I am just worried about being pulled over as the smoke gets bad when its foggy. So smokey in fact it looks like a steam car.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - madf
There are a number of simple things to do before spending serious money.
1. Clean out the crankcase breather tubes: top of rocker cover to fuel injection is usually blocked up. This pressurises the crankcase which means oil usage. Paraffin job on hose and oil trap.. and a filthy job..:-(
2. Check air filter and change if dirty.
3. Change oil to Castrol Magnatec for Older Engines and fit new oil filter. TheOil has additives to help worn selad fit better. Worked well on sons.
4. Check plugs not worn and gaps OK;;; warning be careful they are not rusted solid.. they will break if so. Use lots of Plusgas OVERNIGHT . refit with Copperease...or similar.
5. Clean all plug leads and top of electronic distributor and spray with WD40--- leads deteriorate with time and dirt WD40 gives a temporary cure...

Then run it and see what happens..


madf
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Rattle
The car has just had a full service which included all the above apart from injector cleaning. I told the machanic not to do the service if he found anything wrong which would be costly. He just said there is slight cam shaft damage but its not a problem. A rattle isn't a problem, but the smoke is :(
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - RichieW
Did the car display the symptoms before the service?

On your other post you told us that the mechanic used 10/40 oil. It sounds as though this oil is warming up after minutes and geting thinner and making its way into the combustion chambers.


If the engine didn't smoke as badly previously then I suspect that you had a thicker oil in the engine before. As one of the previous posters on this topic has mentioned, I would buy the cheapest 20/50 oil if I were you and put it in the engine after draining rhe new thin stuff out.


It sounds that with the the dodgy oil pump of yours you have got some serious engine wear due to a lack of oil pressure at some point in the engine's life.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Rattle
It certain;y didn't have those symptoms during the test drive run :)

The oil used was synthetics 10/40. The plugs, oil filter and air filter was changed as well.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - jc2
I'm not suprised it's using oil with that in it;as I said above-the cheapest 20w-50 you can find-Wilko(wilkinsons) is whay you want.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Rattle
I have no idea how all these oils work : What is the difference? Why would it smoke with the oil its got in?

Thinking about it I am pretty sure its smoking only since the service but I haven't been driving it as much then.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - yorkiebar
It needs a compression check and thicker oil !

In the meantime try adding some wynns oil stop smoke or similar. may just help give the oil enough body to temporarily help.

This is typical engine where the specified thin oil is not really suitable. Any experienced mechanic should know it!
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Rattle
The oil pump is a bit suspect though, so I think my mechanic was weary of putting thicker stuff in case it doesn't circulate round the engine properly. He also said due to the age of the car and the slight cam damage its not worth spending money on a new oil pump.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - yorkiebar
If the oil pump is suspect on this sort of engine then I am sorry but the engine has very little life left in it !


Try adding the stop smoke and report back?
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - jc2
Oil pump change is a five minute job on these but should not need doing;this engine was never designed to run on modern oils and before someone tells me that similar engines were being used after 2000,there were minor changes.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Rattle
My mechanic reckons its not a problem as longs if I leave it for a few minutes idling before I drive off. I am completely confused, some people tell me I have nothing to worry about, others are saying my engine has had it.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - jc2
Put thicker oil in and drive it.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Ford Dagenham
Hello

Would 10/40 Enhanced mineral oil work (Halfords own)
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(iam not a mechanic)
Martin Winters
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - oilrag
No, its too thin for your problem and its the same as you had in before regarding viscosity.

Go for a thicker oil for high mileage engines.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Ford Dagenham
Hello

Sorry to steal the thread.

Is 10/40 thicker than 5/30
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(iam not a mechanic)
Martin Winters
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - jc2
Yes and 20w-50 is even thicker(more viscous).
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - oilrag
Use a thicker oil.......... 20w50

Try Halfords, they sell it.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - nortones2
In an old compendium of Motor road tests going back to the 60's, the oils used then in common or garden engines seemed to be 20w/30, so I doubt that a marginally heavier viscosity oil will alleviate loss of control by worn rings etc. Put the thing out of its misery if a simple valve stem oil seal cure doesn't work.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Rattle
70 miles later. The smoking problems seems to have calmed down, but the oil is now quite sludgy, (slight cream on dip stick) but the car is doing 20 miles a week if that. Its not drinking any water and the car has plenty of power up hills considering its a 49bph 1.1. Apart from mayo there is no signs of HG failure.

I've fixed the temperature sender unit and the car is not overheating.

When I start the engine the exhaust fumes are clear, once the temp gauge gets half way can see constant smoke coming out of the back but its not stream so its either fuel or oil. I am getting around 35mpg city driving from it.

The car seems fine in every way apart from this constant smoke when it gets warm, its not a lot smoke, nothing I would get pulled over for but the fact its no constant (i.e never stops) suggests something is up.

So could it just be a case of wrong oil after all?

For now I will try some redex and wynn's stop smoke and see if its any better.

Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Collos25
The engine is knackered pumping out illegal poisonous fumes should not be in use,whats the point of the green welly brigade switching of there standbys to save the world when are undoing all their work ten fold.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - mjm
It could still be steam. One of the by-products of combustion is water. The weather is still cold enough for this to show as "smoke".

What is the oil consumption like?

My Xantia "steams" in this weather even with a new MOT showing emissions well within the prescribed limits.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Rattle
Its MOT'ed, its taxed, and was declared road worthy by a mechanic one month ago (not the MOT but a full service which involved checking tryes, suspension, steering etc). So I dispute the fact it shouldn't be on the road.

I've seen a lot worse smoke than this.

Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Collos25
Take it for an emission test is not what a grease monkey thinks its what the test apparatus says.But if you do happen to get stopped you inccur some nice fines.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Cliff Pope
It should be quite easy to distinguish blue smoke (oil) from white (steam) or black (fuel).

There's not a lot of feedback here. What effect does 20/50 oil have? What are the compressions like? What happens if you remove the oil filler cap and rev the engine? Clouds of smoke and oily mist splattering out? What is the oil consumption?
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - oilrag
Rattle, What oil did you put in? there were about 20 recommendations to use thicker oil, most of these being for 20/50
Regards
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Rattle
Not touched the oil yet as I don't want to drain out £30 worth of oil until exporing other problems.

As I've only done 100 miles in it its too early to tell if its burning oil. Removing the oil cap causes steam to be released, I don't know if that is normal or not.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - jc2
Most 20w/50 will cost you less than £10 for 5 litres.Do you mean steam?;it's more likely to be blowby past the pistons.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Rattle
Won't I need to change the filter as well though? Although the existing filter has done less than 100 miles. Its located right next to the bulk head so its hard to get to :( I don't have any off road parking which makes job harder too.

I am starting to think a new engine might be required sooner or later but then £400 is cheap for this kind of car in Manchester considering its in good condition otherwise. I've been told its a 4 hour job to swap the engien out on this car, which is £120 labour, I can get the engines for less than £100. The only problem with is I still don't know the cat is ok, the lambda sensor etc.

Either way I have 4 months till MOT time.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - oilrag
"I am starting to think a new engine might be required sooner or later but then £400 is cheap for this kind of car"

Its difficult at that price, i suggest you dont put any money into it until you see what the MOT throws up.
If its a failure thats too expensive it may be better to get the cheapest car you can, with a full mot, rather than put a lot of money into the fiesta.
For example, You could pick up an old cinquecento ( spelling?) with a full MOT for a few hundred quid and have the advantage of a fully galvanised body.
Sorry for saying this, but IMHO your current car could become a money trap given its suspension turret rust.
Hope it works out. Regards
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Rattle
I want something fairly safe though, and them FIestas are much safer than Cinqucentos according to some Swedish research, you also get the airbags standard in the fiestas. The rust on the suspension is solid atm, its not dangerous at all, but may well be an issue in the future.

Its starting to sound like I have been sold a lemon considering I only bought it just over a month ago. Indeed I don't plan of spending another penny on it till the MOTs due.

As a final note due to lack of transport I could not go far for the car, and small cars are already very expensive in South Manchester due it being densely populated and having a huge student population.

I did actually look at a few Punto MK1s but I could find anything for less than £700 which wasn't accident repaired or had a cracked HG.

On the plus side I have seen MOT failure N reg fiestas go for more than £100 on ebay :).

Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - oilrag
Yep, Glad you`re here to talk about it Rattle, cos a lot of us have been in the same position. As a student ( many years ago) I was focussed on getting a full MOT rather than any particular car, my mates thought me a sad case for not getting a `better` car. One car however bought for next to nothing, got through 3 further MOT`s and remains the cheapest transport I have ever had. I should really still be doing this............
Regards
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - mfarrow
Yes, always best to stick with what you know. My friend always says he would have kept his old Mk3 Fiesta had it not failed the MoT on £300 worth of welding. Its replacement, a 5 year old 306, needed a new gearbox after only a few months, and had a consistent cold start problem until the day he sold it. Another friend had a Xsara which needed a new gearbox out of his own pocket and also several warranty repairs from the dealer - and time is money as they say.

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Mike Farrow
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - L'escargot
......... is there any short term solution to
reduce the smoke a bit?


Wynn's Stop Smoke oil treatment? I've not tried it though. Available from Halfords and all good car accessory shops.
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L\'escargot.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - jc2
Get some 20w/50 in it as well;if you're using a lot of oil,you don't need to bother changing the filter.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - oilrag
Hi Rattle, You have 14 recommendations to use a thicker oil ( or a thickener) so far !

( If it were my engine, I would put 20w50 in it, worth a try for around £10 ish )
Regards
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Granada Cosworth
'The oil used was synthetics 10/40. The plugs, oil filter and air filter was changed as well.'

I'd leave at this type of engine oil and continue, don't bother with 20W/50.

The smoke is possible to do with sludge burning, it's happens when Synthetic engine oil is first used without the flushing. It's will calm down like you've said, but keep at regular oil changes, the cleaner the better.

If it's clean and still smoking then WYNNS Stop Smoke may can help. Do report again if it's get worst.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Rattle
It does seem to be improving, when the engine is cold there is no smoke whats so ever, its completely clear, after about 5 miles there is constant smoke but not much of it, just a little bit. Looking at the dip and in the rocker via the filler there doesn't seem to be much sludge in the engine now.

The only issue I seem to be having now is fuel usage, I am not sure because of the way the gauge works but I seem to be getting around 60 miles per 8 quid which seems too little. Although this is pure city driving, I have put some reddex in to see if it helps.

When I left the bonnet up I no longer feel the excess heat like I used to, so the blocked breather issue must have been causing a lot of the problems with my fiesta.

Certainly when the engine is cold I am convinced it will pass the emissions.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Granada Cosworth
Remember to change the Fuel Filter if there is one there.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Rattle
Yep :) Just bought a haynes manual of ebay so that will help :)
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Collos25
How much more money and time are you going to waste before you accept the engine is knackered you can buy a recon unit very cheaply and solve all your problems.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Rattle
I can buy a cheap engine yes, but how much is going to cost to fit it? How do you know the new engine isn't full of problems either? I don't beleive its completly 'knackered' because it does run very well, it dosn't cut out or anything (apart from once when it broke down).

Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Collos25
You obviously cannot afford to run a car in a safe and secure way its a scrapper the sooner you realise the better.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Rattle
How is the car not safe? The brakes are fine, the suspension is fine, the steering is fine. The only problem with is is the camshaft rattle and the smoke which could be something or nothing. The smoke is not that bad, I have seen far worse. Its not like its belching out thick black smoke.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - madf
" am not sure because of the way the gauge works but I seem to be getting around 60 miles per 8 quid which seems too little. Although this is pure city driving, I have put some reddex in to see if it helps."

that's around 30mpg which for a clapped out Fiesta around town seems about right.. Son's one averages about 40mpg and that's with a 18 mile drive along Cheshire country roads to work.. so 30 in town is easily understandable if engine is cold and journey is less than 5 miles.

Keep running it... they stand a lot of abuse if maintained cheaply.. and the engine will easily go on and on.

I suspect it takes 10,000 miles to fully clear out sludge caused bu lack of oil changes/poor maintenace.. son's had 0.5cm layer over valves etc which has gradually dissolved away...

madf
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - jc2
All Redex will do is make more smoke out the tailpipe;listen to the professionals and get some 20w-50 in it;with it's current oli consumption you won't need a filter change.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - csgmart
Correct me if I am wrong but the MOT test on an engine has to be performed on a warm engine - not a cold one.

I know this is going to repeat what others have said before - please accept that your engine is knackered and either scrap the car or get a 2nd hand replacement engine - also get someone who knows something about cars to help you this time so you don't get stung again.

I've been there and done it myself the first time I bought a car. Thought I knew best and paid the price for my ignorance.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Cliff Pope
This case of Bairstow v. Rattle looks set to run and run. The odds at present are 20:50 in favour of the clapped out engine theory.
Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - mfarrow
Rattle - what's made you think it's burning oil? Is this smoke blue?

  • You've made no indication before in any post that this smoke is blue, in fact you've said it's white

  • White smoke isn't oil, it's steam


  • As far as I can read from your posts, this car is running fine. It white smokes a lot because it only goes on short trips and that doesn't dry the exhaust out. 30mpg is good for town driving. You'll never get rid of the mayo under the filler car - clean it out once/twice per year and forget about it. Leave the 10W40 oil in there.

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    Mike Farrow
    Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - oilrag
    If you do move it on, I would get out of old Fiesta (and rust) territory and buy a small car with a *galvanised shell* and a full 12 months MOT...
    At the price range you are in these should be IMHO the only priorities apart from insurance group.
    Problem is with your Fiesta the rust is eating it away and as you mention its coming through in the rear suspension turrets, it heading for welding as well as engine concerns. They are not long off rusting into the scrapyard at that age..........
    Not all cars at that age are rusting though, a galvanised car would at least give you a basis on which to do some mechanical work without rust negating it. There may be some areas of local rust, but the whole car will not be riddled with it.
    You could look at Pug 106, Fiat punto, Fiat cinquecento.... I`m posting this link so you can compare the the rust on a Fiat the same age as your Ford, Ok this guy has modded it, but the before shots show the shell is sound to work on and looks like its ready for another 10 years.

    www.fiatforum.com/cinquecento-seicento/67827-while...l

    Just bad luck you went for the Fiesta for some reason, but they seem to be rustbuckets at that age.

    ( Written with respect, I have been there myself a long time ago)
    Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Granada Cosworth
    Smoke -
    Black - fuel problem.
    Blue - engine problem - (an over filled with engine oil would do that, check the oil level, no more than MAX)
    White/grey - Condensation that is normal, but if you're loosing anti-freeze/coolant then it's the Head Gasket problem.

    Top end rattle - Engine oil contamination (long overdue services), oilways blocked, (engine flush may help)tappets (valves) need adjusting or are worn.
    Bottom end rattle - bad news engine is on the way out, MAY be very lucky if the problem goes away after fresh engine oil changed, a friend of mine 2.0 Mondeo did that, but how long for ? repair is possible, but it's costly, do it yourself or replace engine, new car.

    FACT - Cheap Mineral engine oil is a disaster unlet you're changing oil every month!
    FACT - Mineral in Engine Oil or Auto Trans/Power Steering Fluid get caused alot of heat, oil leaks and 'black death' big time failure - nightmare!
    FACT - 20W/50 no professional will advise this! Repair is the only option!

    Motor Manufactors are now using/selling Semi-Synthetic & Fully-Synthetic Oils.
    Ford have stated all their 90's vechines to use ACEA A1 S/S 5W/30, so using F/S or S/S 5W/40 or 10W/40 is fine.
    S/S A1 for fuel efficient - 6,000 miles or 6 months
    F/S A3 for better and longer protection - 12,000 miles or 12months
    If doing alot of stop & starting, short trips and never fully warmed up would reduce the qualtiy of the oil life.
    It's very common the 'Mayo' effects (water/condensation) in Mineral oil and some is burn off at correct heating temp, this is where oil contamination comes in and not affect in Synthetic much, but less white steam out of exhaust on cold mornings.

    I am NOT a believer of 'little mechanics in a tin' but this got me thinking - few years ago a neighbour of my parent 's has a 2.0i Sierra failed MOT emission test result of blow-by.
    He spend a weekend flushing the engine and cleaning the P.C.V. system, I was standing there and watching him, he said he brought some Full Synthetic engine oils and thinking it's will pass the test on the following Monday, I said nothing and let him be.
    Tuesday evening my father phoned me and asked me if would I sort out the neighbour's car problem, because it's still failed the MOT emission tests only just by a bit, I said no, my partner is ill and I'm going away to see her and come back 'till she's better.
    I thought nothing more of this.
    On returned home, my answer machine's message was my father asking me to see their neighbour because he had got his car passed the MOT emission test on a first go!
    I left a message and said I'll see him at the weekend, on that weekend I saw him with a big smile on his face and showed me some cans of 'Engine Restore Oil' - I thought what's this and said this won't help!
    At the same time I just realised his car passed the MOT, he said he took the oil out, kept the oil filter and poured 3 cans in, then top up the same oil to correct level, drove miles and miles on the motorway to get the 'Restore' to work and booked the test on that Friday which it passed on the first go!
    I couldn't make head or tail out of this until I did a research on the Internet, I brought some on e-bay to try it on a donor car of mine, I was going to replace with new pistons and maybe some valves if needed, but already I put in some 'High Mileages' engine oil, which failed the MOT emission tests just like the Sierra, same type of engine, but different body & name.
    I did the same thing what my parent's neighbour did, but I revved the engine for quite a while, watching the exhaust smoke reducing bit by bit, then I revved really hard until it's didn't blow blue smoke anymore, not like what it was before, I thought you gonna be joking, nothing on earth can cure any worn bits in engine!
    After a few hours later I phoned a friend to see if his mate would do an emission tests for me in the following morning before I start work - remember, I am a none believer in anything that a tin says it's will make your engine run better without the need of a mechanic repair! - well pink fluffy dice it's passed within the M.O.T. Emission Test on a first trial run!
    Few years on, I've still got the car as a run-about for work , I abuse it, I drove it hard up on the hills, drove fast like a bat out of hell and it's still can cope with long journey of carry heavy weights.
    I'm still baffle how can this keep on working without the need of repair or replacement!
    I've still the boxes of pistons unused!
    I'm not saying this is an cure all, but it's seems to be working!
    'Engine Restore Oil' have been going on since in the 70's in the USA.
    You try it and you decide!
    Damn! that's unprofessional of me!


    Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - oilrag
    Is it similar to `CLAP` :)

    www.autoblog.com/2005/10/06/clapped-out-cars-get-b.../

    Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Granada Cosworth
    I have another friend who works in all cars engine centre and said XADO does works - www.xado.co.uk/index.htm - but I've never tried it or I have any proof of it.

    About Engine Restore Oil - I heard it's not compatible for racing engine oils - esters (plant esters = veggie oil basically) as result of curdling and frothing etc. changing viscosity of the oil's composition.

    Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - jc2
    Which is what they say on their website-if you want to use it with racing oils,tell them and they will make you some up-tho' why you would want to go racing with a clapped-out engine escapes me.
    Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - jc2
    Sorry-not the XADO site but the "engine restore oil" site.
    Fiesta 1.1 burning oil when hot - Rattle
    I am niot convinced these restore oils won't just block oil ways and water ways though. I am not trying anything like that until a last resort, i.e I need a new engine anyway. For now while the car is running perfectly fine I will just wait till the MOT if the engine lasts that long.
     

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