i am about to buy a 307 sw as a sensible option to a large MPV and cannot decide whether to buy a 2litre 16 valve petrol one or whether to air on the side of caution and stick with the sensible 110BHP 2litre HDI deisel version (which is only £110 a year tax too) it s only really going to be used as a second car and im just not sure i can justify all that extra money on a diesel when it would take me a very long time to recoup that extra initial outlay .
what do you think people ??
the tax for the petrol one is i think going to be £190 a year as opposed to £110 for the diesel and the mpgs come out at 36 compared to 52 for the diesel , so it wins again . but like for like their seems to be a grand between em in cost ...HELP HELP HELP
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I am not sure if it is avaliable in the SW but there is also a 110 bhp 1580cc Hdi diesel. If you have read all the grief about common rail diesels in this forum are you sure you want one? I am stuck with mine and I think I would have another but I haven't yet had any trouble. You might also want to look at the cost of the particle filter for which I was quoted £700 fitted. as part of the 72K service. I think there is a scheme for supplying an exchange one for under £200 but you might wish to check
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the particle filter is exclusive to the diesel i think isnt it ? i have to confess to not being 100% knowledgeable about this tho or what it does
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Go for diesel. Lower tax, more mpg and higher residuals should compensate for higher initial cost and more frequent servicing.
Besides, you'll be leaving less CO2 behind you wherever you go.
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"If you have read all the grief about common rail diesels in this forum are you sure you want one?"
Ah, at last someone with evidence of "all the grief about (PSA?) CR diesels"
As I have posted before - there are 3 PSA CR diesels in my family (including that 1.6 one that's fitted to the 307) and a Renault one and I am anxious to know exactly the problems that will befall me.
So, come on AS, give us the gen!!! ;-)
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Basically ,and SFAIK, the potential for horrendous bills IF anything goes wrong or to rectify refuelling errors. If you misfuel and there are problems they will not be fixed under warranty and the bill could be in £Thousands. The particle filter situation is changing. It was that it was a replacement item at, or before, the 72K service, and at a cost of £700, quoted to me. Add to this the cost of 5 litres of EOLYS at £25 a litre and it looks like a very expensive way of saving £50 a year on your road tax. I understand that it can now either be replaced (see above), subjected to a 'Forced Regeneration' or cleaned, or done as an exchange item at around £200. Not that many people have reached particle filter change time yet, or have they? Please post here if you have! What was done and what did it cost? The comment re expense relates to Ford and VW/Audi diesels as well and my neighbour has had a shed load of problems with his Renault. There was a 100+ post thread a couple of months ago re Espace diesels. Read it and be afraid - very afraid! There again - don't. You might be lucky!
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"the potential for horrendous bills IF anything goes wrong"
I take your point(s) AS, but it's this word "potential" that seems to be colouring all the posts on this topic - and there have been a fair few recently. It strikes me that there is the potential for equally horrendous bills with almost any car - in another thread someone mentions the fact that "cambelt", especially if it breaks, can cause equally horrendous bills - and it seems to be a pretty common occurrence. Now, what I really, really would like to know is whether there is a history of PSA HDi engines suffering from fuel/injector/CR pump problems but nobody seems to have any figures to give us guidance. I also occasionally frequent the frenchcarforum because I used to be a regular visitor when I had my 2 old BXs so I've had a look ther but can't find any posts on the Citroen section about HDi problems. I also did a Google on HDi fuel pump problems and can't find much if anything. As someone else posted, there must also be hundreds if not thousands of Cit/Peugeot HDi vans out there which have been hammered mercilessly over the past 6 years for very high mileages - do they regularly break down with "CR problems"? Someone must know!!
Anyway, I've pushed my luck far enough on this topic so will now shut up. I'm expecting to break down tomorrow, and get home to find my wife's Xantia HDi has been towed away with a fuel pump problem, and probably get a couple of messages from son and daughter with same probs in their cars.
I'll keep you posted!!
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The particle filter situation is changing. It was that it was a replacement item at, or before, the 72K service, and at a cost of £700, quoted to me.
I had the PF replaced on our C5 this year, at a cost of around £150 for the filter, done by the garage that services the car (not local dealer). It is not a long job, so labour costs shouldn't be much.
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brooker, Do yourself a favour.
Do not buy ANY 307, You will thank me in the end.
Buy the 307 & you will be on first name terms with the service department down your Pug dealer.
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The 307 has a poor reputation in general for reliability. Also, having driven the 1.6HDi 307SW quite extensively, I don't think its a particularly nice car.
My friend who now specialises in diesel repairs get a steady stream of HDi engines to work on. In many ways they cause him the most problems (he says) because there are simply so many variations of this installation as PSA have introduced numerous changes to try to improve performance and reliability. I think there are something like 20+ variants.
The argument about cambelts snapping is a bit false, IMHO. A cambelt has to be considered a service item and it WILL snap if not changed at the appropriate time or if it gets contaminated etc. Failures of cambelts within their recommended service life are almost unheard of. Let's not forget that CR diesels can have cambelts too!
In terms of faults reported on internets fora etc - I really don't think that this is any guide to reliability. There are literally millions of petrol injection cars on the roads and yet how often do we see a major petrol injection fault described on this website - I can't remember the last one... Yet we know they happen because thousands of garages are daily fixing faults on petrol injection cars.
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Thanks for that Aprilia (with regard to HDis in general rather than the 307) - your knowledge of these things is far, far greater than mine! For the "ordinary motorist" the tales of CR probs are worrying and it is difficult to find out much about the probs, hence my internet search. As for the cambelt analogy, yes I did know CRs have them too, and we had ours changed at 72k rather than the recommended 100 k to try to minimise chance of failure (on the grounds also that it would need doing sooner or later but very unlikely to get to a mileage where it would need to be done again!) Seems to be little that can be done to minimise failure of pump in the same way though except keep filling with diesel rather than petrol???!!
Regards
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Buy the petrol and buy Japanese.
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They´re good at setting themselves on fire, according to AutoBild the other week.
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406, 607, 307 have all liked to barbecue themselves in the past.
Strange you never hear about the Citroen equivalent models doing the same, I know some of the C3 & C4 where recalled too but never heard of one going up.
My mate at Peugeot loves the 307, keeps him & the other lads in the workshop in lots of overtime everytime its re called.
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Even better would be if he owned a 307, get paid for fixing his own car then... :-)
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He really likes the 407, Not to many problems with them yet apart from the new design of front ball joint that fails, a lot!
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