It is somewhat ironic that as the 'Crime Scene' thread came to a close this dreadful incident occured at Elvington involving the much respected 'Hamster'.
Just to remind you that one school of thought on that thread was that the Police spend too long on road closures causing chaos for other motorists whilst investigating collision scenes.
Judging by the widespread interest and well wishes for 'the Hamster' I would suggest that as we all have a shared interest in all things related to motor cars, we will all no doubt, be interested in finding out the outcome of the investigations which have been handed over to the HSE. Those investigations will be meticulously investigated and looking at mechanical failure, track conditions etc etc. the one person who may fortunately be able to give some idea as to what went wrong may or may not be able to provide some evidence as to what happened.
As the incident occured on private land then the impact on the road networks was negative. Now just consider that an incident involving a loved one occured on the road network would you not still require the same level of investigation??
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Oh for gods sake.
1/ The elvington runway is not a major motorway with 50,000 vehicles a day,
2/ Everyone knows that traveling at 300 mph is dangerous
3/ No-one here is really that interested in the why, just that he is ok
4/ No -one else is involved
Trying to match this with keeping a major road closed for 8 hours is frankly clutching at straws.
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TVM I dont have to clutch at anything. I am just making a comparison and a point.
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>>2/ Everyone knows that traveling at 300 mph is dangerous>>
No, it is an important distinction, it is the hitting something at 300 mph that is dangerous, the speed makes the impact greater and the chance of injury greater though without the impact 300mph is safe.
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It's not the speed, it's the sudden change in speed. F=ma? Newton's 2nd law of motion? (who said A-level physics was useless!)
If you come to a halt from any speed in a very small amount of time, the force exerted on your body might result in fatal injuries. The speed you were doing in the first place is of little significance.
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">A-level physics<" ?????
O-level for those of us who received a proper edgeukashun ;-0
">the force exerted on your body might result in fatal injuries<" So many variables; facing backwards is good, head restraint is essential.
Small headaches experiences by the older generation on roller coasters are the result of broken blood vessels in the brain ... eeeekkkkk!
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">2/ Everyone knows that travelling at 300 mph is dangerous<" No it isn't. Ask a 747 passenger.
">3/ No-one here is really that interested in the why<" I am.
">4/ No -one else is involved<" Anyone with an interest in speed is involved. If Nanny decides that Hammond's injuries could have been avoided then it's another blow to those who enjoy speed. OK, so I'll never a drive a rocket car, but I've sampled the delights of various offroad venues (including a couple of runways) in/on various vehicles. I don't want Nanny watching me.
And what has the unspecified deity of your choice got to do with it? ....... ;-)
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Of course speed is dangerous. The risk of accident increases with speed. Cheddar you are incapable of controling a land based vehicle at 300 mph and it hence becomes dangerous.
This is an undeniable fact.
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As I've already said, travelling at 70mph on the M1 is dangerous if an unforeseeable event causes you to lose control. Bearing in mind RH's jet-car was designed to go a lot faster than 70mph, the outcome was similar to a normal motorway accident. If you were to plonk a jet on the back of a Ford Focus and lose control at 300mph, the outcome might be a bit worse.
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He's walking!
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5372890.stm
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He's walking!
As per my report approx 16 hrs ago.
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=45208&...e
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Sorry DD I was sleeping at 5am
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>> He's walking!
Wed 27 Sep update on progress.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5384400.stm
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Wed 27 Sep update on progress. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5384400.stm
"Donations to the air ambulance which flew him to hospital stand at £188,000."
Wrong.
www.justgiving.com/PHRichardHammond?page=1
"You may wonder why our total has suddenly dropped. Unfortunately, last weekend's £50,000 donation was declined. "
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none of us have any idea about travelig at 300 mph on a lnad based vehicle becuase none of us have come anywhere close. The ratio of accident of land based machines traveling at very high speeds even by proffesional drivers suggests its damn risky
Dont get mixed up with this speed is not dangerous, Speed is dangerous., Speed does not kill true, its the accident that does.,
We are talking very high speed here, you cant try and compare this with normal car speeds,
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Dont get mixed up with this speed is not dangerous, Speed is dangerous., Speed does not kill true, its the accident that does.,
If you want to continue with this arguement, take it to the relevant speeding thread. DD. (put in bold this time as it was obviously not seen when I previously mentioned it!)
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">If you were to plonk a jet on the back of a Ford Focus <"
The image of an Airbus 380 perched on a 1.4LX is rather alarming ....
I thought hamster's vehicle was rocket powered?
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No it's not Micky, it's jet powered. Idiot.
So it's not really that fast after all ;-)
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">Cheddar you are incapable of controling a land based vehicle at 300 mph and it hence becomes dangerous.<"
That's an outrageous and actionable slur on Cheddar's driving ability ....... has he really been driving at 300 mph? ...... wow!
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... would you not still require the same level of investigation??
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no, no, no. fullchat:
if you read the thread (now locked),
Top Gear Crash Health and Safety Debate - Honestjohn Fri 22 Sep 06 10:35
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f=2&t=45...7
you will see that people here are generally against the hse and the police getting involved in this matter.
also, if dynamic manages to restore the "save top-gear" thread, you will see that the same general views are expressed there. also, read jeremy clarkson's article - which is linked there (but here it is again) -
www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006440317,00.html
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If it's a place of work then the HSE will be involved. I understand that the HSE have targetted the BBC for years, but surely the risk should be Klaxon's?
Assuming hamster survives and the runway was closed to the general public, what charges could be brought? RTA doesn't apply, no fatality, is there something involving endangerment? Or have I been watching too much US carp TV?
Perhaps Rebus could investigate?
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If it's a place of work then then ......
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micky, imo, if you continue that line, this thread is in danger of getting locked too. as hj has said, no discussion of possible breaches of rules, possible charges etc.
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">Cheddar you are incapable of controling a land based vehicle at 300 mph and it hence becomes dangerous.<" That's an outrageous and actionable slur on Cheddar's driving ability ....... has he really been driving at 300 mph? ...... wow!
No, no he is quite right, he has however missed the point, the clear distinction between impact and speed.
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The risk of accident increases with speed. >>
That is a different point. risk management.
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arton senna---comes to mind
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"Clarkson, who told him he had been in a car accident, said that Hammond then got out of bed and walked shakily to the lavatory."
Clarkson has that effect on people.
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SWBO, knowing nothing of Top Gear, has just downloaded part of a Brainiac programme where Richard and assistant demonstrate the reactivity of alkaline metals.
Should hold 9B's attention tomorrow.
Irrespective of the guy's skills in motoring journalism he's pretty smart at bringing science to life.
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He's been allowed home. :-)
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He's been allowed home. :-)
Err no he has'nt, he's been transfered to another hospital.
This Morning reported this and then changed it :-(
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yes nice to see isnt it,good job we didnt listen to certain members on here giving up on him....
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..... he's been transfered to another hospital.
Further update
BBC lunch time news showed him being transferred.
At one part of the transfer he walked a few steps to an ambulance.
A consultant said he will need about 6 months to allow his recovery.
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Oldman - bit harsh! The correspondent you refer to was only writing what many of us were fearing, given the news coverage at the time.
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Oldman - bit harsh! The correspondent you refer to was only writing what many of us were fearing, given the news coverage at the time. _______ IanS
Its one thing to say it in your home and work place to family, friends, work colleagues, its in very poor taste to post it on a national forum of some repute where his family members and maybe himself whilst he's recouperating can read your pessimistic comments for months to come.
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If it's me you're talking about, and I think it is, then I think you're blowing my comment out of proportion. Sorry but if I was a member of his family, I would be upset at what had happened to him, not about what some faceless people were writing on an internet forum. Some perspective here if you please.
I stand by what I said at the time even though it was deleted - the media were reporting the story like he was not going to make it. They even had films of his achievements in life all packaged and ready to go. If you misread my post as me saying that I personally didn't think he was going to make it, then I'm sorry that you were offended, but I was only commenting on the way it was being covered.
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