Most Underpowered - school boy
Hi, what is the most underpowered car that any of you have heard of or come across. I heard something about the Saab 9000 being bad but the car - by - car - breakdown doesn't point that out.
Most Underpowered - Adam {P}
The Focus 1.4 has got to feature in there somewhere.

We had a P reg 1.0 Polo once in a transition period between cars. We'd just got rid of a V6 Mondeo and I could swear I saw Dad shed a tear when he drove that Polo and realised how bad it was. Anyway - that Polo, with four people in and luggage - that was underpowered!
Most Underpowered - Lud
My Citroen Bijou, based on a 425cc 2CV. Hard put to it to reach 60 on the flat, although I once saw 90 down a very steep long hill. Even one up it couldn't out-accelerate a sloth.

That car used to make me very impatient. My right foot ached from straining against the floorboards, and I took many risks to 'maintain progress'.

The 375 cc 2CV must have been unimaginably sluggish.
Most Underpowered - fossyant
Mk 3 1.4 Golf in a basic spec - had it as a hire car for a day or two. This was when the Golf went from a 'small' car to a medium sized one - It just didn't move - too big and heavy for a 1.4 8v petrol !

Leyland DAF minibus - my father had the idea that we would all travel to a family christening in Birmingham in a self drive minibus (some 12-15 years ago) - you had to think 3 miles ahead before you even thought about changing lanes on the motorway - horrible thing - really wished I'd taken the car - nothing like today's Transit Vans !!!
Most Underpowered - Marc
J reg Sierra 1.6 "Azure" I test drove years ago. IIRC, the car had an EFi or CFi engine with a cat fitted. It was just lame - a lot worse than the 67bhp Renault 21 diesel I owned at the time. I thought there was maybe something wrong with the car but it was a low mileage example from a Ford dealer. Needless to say I didn't buy it. Rest of the car was OK though, for its time...
Most Underpowered - Armitage Shanks {p}
There was/is something called a Nissan Serena which I think has 0-60 in 18 seconds and there was a Montego saloon which was fitted with the 1.3 engine from the Mini! I bet that was a load of fun!
Most Underpowered - ziggy
Almost any modern car with the lowest sized 'injun.

Or any car targeting the developing world market that has 4 gears not five.

I can tolerate underpowered cars; what I have a problem with is when they are fitted
with 'underpowered brakes' which you have to 'book' in advance if you need to stop.



Most Underpowered - type's'
I had a 1.0l polo - a whopping 50bhp
Most Underpowered - school boy
Can you still get non- turbo diesels in cars, a 205 diesel must have been bad.
So the most modern underpowered car is a 1.0 Polo or is there worse?
Most Underpowered - mike hannon
In my journalism days the slowest test car I ever had was Peugeot 106 with the normally aspirated diesel. A Renault 25 2 litre I once thought of buying seemed very underpowered as well.
Some time later I tried, for my own interest, a Rover 800 2 litre and that was pretty diabolical - had to red-line it all the time, which is not my style.
Most Underpowered - Lud
205 diesel was a terrific car, rapid, refined and capable of 52mpg cruising at 90 four up. Really needed power steering though, and soon got it.
Most Underpowered - Adam {P}
I don't think it's as simple as 1.0 being underpowered. (Besides, isn't the Matiz 800cc or something like that) You've got to look at engine capacity against weight of the car.

A 1.6 Sierra Sapphire must have been a dog to drive - I feel sorry for Marc. No doubt a 1.0 Polo would have been much more fun to drive.
Most Underpowered - ziggy
Can you still get non- turbo diesels in cars, a 205
diesel must have been bad.



It was a great car. Criteon Saxo 1.5D on the otherhand really did seem pointless as well as gutless.

I think you may still get pick-ups or light trucks in the US with large non-turbo diesel V8s.



Most Underpowered - GregSwain
Can you still get non- turbo diesels in cars, a 205
diesel must have been bad.
So the most modern underpowered car is a 1.0 Polo or
is there worse?


The 205D was great, because it was a 1.8 litre! The 1.5 lump that came in the 106 and Saxo was apparently awful. My 1.4 litre Almera is the lowest available engine size, and it's quite nippy. I can't imagine how bad the 1.0 Polo would be, because VW petrols always had very low power for their size (for instance a 60bhp 1.4, compared to my 87bhp Nissan!)
Most Underpowered - jase1
Well that's how they achieved their excellent reliability at that time, over-engineering everything and being overly-conservative with power outputs etc.

Now that they've caught up power-wise with the competition their engines are no better than average.

I test-drove a 1.0l Polo once, and a 1.0l Ibiza (same car). Never again...... They made my 1.3 (84bhp) Hyundai engine seem like a sports car by comparison!
Most Underpowered - mrnikko
you can buy a VW golf SDI which is non turbo diesel.
its a truly awful cat I have had one as a company car for 19 months and my 12 year old clio has more go in it.Its a golf that well worth avoiding
Most Underpowered - Bagpuss
Someone I worked with about 20 years ago had a Riley Elf. This was a badge-engineered version of the original Mini, with an extended boot, a pseudo-Rolls Royce radiator grille (with an illuminated badge in the middle!), a wood dash and most terrifyingly, an 848cc A-series engine connected to the front wheels via an automatic gearbox. I don't know how many bhp the engine had, but practical experience suggests not many as the acceleration was simply non-existent and on a good day the car was flat out at 60mph. they certainly don't make 'em like they used to.
Most Underpowered - 007

Fiat 500:o)
Most Underpowered - Hamsafar
These dreadful 3 cylinder small petrol cars, such as range bottom Corsa and Yaris.
Most Underpowered - Happy Blue!
Polo 1.0 with air con in Israel trying to get upa steep hill....

Slow cannot describe it adequately.


Also a Doblo with 1.7 diesel (non-turbo!!!). Snails were faster until I had rung it through the gears and rev range so much it was a lot faster at the end of the holiday than at the begiinning.
Most Underpowered - fossyant
These dreadful 3 cylinder small petrol cars, such as range bottom Corsa and Yaris.

Thank goodness our original Yaris is 4 cylinders - it's OK so long as you give it some welly ! 16V VVTi to the max in all of 1.0 litres
Most Underpowered - tr7v8
These dreadful 3 cylinder small petrol cars, such as range bottom
Corsa and Yaris.

Depends who makes it! We had a Suzuki Swift 1L 998 I think and most people who rode in it were convinced it was a 1300! Used to go well & even with my lead foot still managed 46MPG!
Most Underpowered - ffidrac {P}
These dreadful 3 cylinder small petrol cars, such as range bottom
Corsa and Yaris.

Nowt wrong with 3 cyls.

Had the Peodrua Kenari for 5 years now. 3 cyl, 12 valve multipoint EFi twincam 989cc

'Book' values are: 0-60 - 15 secs Top speed 87 Mph
My values 0-60 less than 10 secs & top speed 20Mph+ over 'book' speed (when pushed fairly hard)

Sat nav speed and speedo speed are different - around town the satnav says I am doing 6mph less than speedo at top speed speedo can't tell me anything as it only reads to 100 and I am too busy watching the road to look at satnav!

Ok it takes a while to get to 70 but hey it's good on fuel and if you rev over 4000 the power comes in (you can feel it)

Buying a Toyota Yaris 1.0 with 3cyls now. I do tend to go for economy rather than power/speed but the Yaris I tested was good enough for me and I don't think it is under powered.
Most Underpowered - ffidrac {P}
>> These dreadful 3 cylinder small petrol cars, such as range
bottom
>> Corsa and Yaris.
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Nowt wrong with 3 cyls.
Had the Peodrua Kenari for 5 years now. 3 cyl, 12
valve multipoint EFi twincam 989cc

..............

PS

Drove a mates Fiesta (4 gear not sure of year - think it was an 'F' plate) 1100cc and compared to my Kenari it was gutless, even he noticed the difference when he drove the Kenari, so much so that he asked when I would be selling it.............
Most Underpowered - Roberson
Luds example is by far one of the most underpowered cars, and I think was in the top 10 of the slowest cars ever made.

Other examples could include the Marina 1.8 Diesel. Not officially sold in the UK (an export 'special') powered by an ancient B-series derived diesel. 0-60 was measured in calendar days and it ran out of steam at 68mph. Another one that instantly sprung to mind was the Mk2 Golf with the 1043cc Polo engine. Knowing VW, they'll have installed very close and low gearing to accommodate, but even so, I bet it struggled to haul 5 people and their luggage. Needless to say, that model was quietly dropped soon after launch.

I drive a Polo, with the similar 1043cc unit, driven through 4 speeds. Although no ball of fire, the car is quite light so it never seems unduly slow.

However, one of the worst cars, and indeed one of the slowest, that I have personally driven, was a 1.8 NA Escort diesel. With my foot burying the pedal into the rubber matting (it was a van) for seemingly minutes on end, I gave up trying to go faster by the time it finally reached 60. Changing down, and revving the thing just made you ears bleed more. Came to the conclusion it must be de-tuned or something......
Most Underpowered - type's'
I think the Nissan Serena must challenege somewhere near the top.
A 2.0l diesel with 66bhp trying to pull an MPV.
Most Underpowered - Happy Blue!
Oh I rented one of those as well. A slug which even my wife refused to drive.
Most Underpowered - Stuartli
A Peugeot 106 with the electric engine then being developed by PSA - the batteries alone must have weighed not far off that of the car.
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Most Underpowered - Lud
An old diesel box-bodied Transit takes a bit of beating for sheer reluctance actually, I seem to remember.
Most Underpowered - jonno
I think the Fiat Panda 4x4 gets from 0-60 in just under 20 seconds, which must seem like an age.
Most Underpowered - barchettaman
Beat me to it Jonno - the Panda 4x4 petrol is so slow it´s practically undriveable. Sure the diesel is OK though.
Most Underpowered - El Hacko
perhaps not the most underpowered .. but the Lexus IS200 with autobox is a frustrating slouch, and only returns 21mpg for a pathetic performance
Most Underpowered - mk124
I was thinking Panda 4*4 all the way through the thread. I think that you are thinking of the 1.2 version. It was sometime after that that fiat sold the 1.3 mulijet version in the U.K, but it is still very slow!
Another car is the Suzuki Jimney. It is a lifestyle car, rather than a car you buy for any practicality, exept is you want one of the cheapest 4*4 on the market.
If you include non-mainstream cars the micro cars are the most underpowered of the lot, most can't even reach 60MPH.
Most Underpowered - mss1tw
I bet a Nissan Figaro should be here somewhere.
Most Underpowered - tr7v8
We used to run a pool car which was a base 405 non-turbo Diesel, that was slug like & positively dangerous!
An automatic vauxhall chevette was an interesting experience. Most VW's without GTi badges on their rump have always under delivered possibly because they're very heavy.
Nissan Serena on hire 5 up was painful as well.
Most Underpowered - carl_a
Bottom of the range Skoda Fabia's petrol or diesel.
Most Underpowered - dodo
Had a painful couple of years with a Primera 2.0 diesel to replace a very rapid Passat GT. Think my most frightening drive was to the birth of my second child 20 miles away driving my dads Mercedes C220D. I could find no power whatsoever and nearly was killed trying to pass an artic who had accelerated when he saw me trying to pass. Mind you I once had to drive a 1.0 (45 bhp) Golf Mk2 for 120 miles and that was really bad!
Most Underpowered - AlastairW
An uncle had a 1.3 Mk 4 Cortina two door in a vile shade of pale blue. I'm amazed anyone ever bought one, though it would have made a good 'punishment car' for a rep!
Most Underpowered - mrmender
I'm not sure 1.6 Sierra's were THAT bad as they were the main model before the 1.8's there was of course a 1.3 version when it first came out. My vote for most under powered, goes to a device called the Standard Atlas van. a 1 ton van built around the late 50's early 60's with puny engine of less than 1 litre my dad had one loan once whilst his VW type 2 splitty (a vehicle not known for it's speed) was being repaired. it struggled to make 50
Most Underpowered - mark
You are all way off!

Due to extreme poverty when younger I had the misfortune of owning a Polski Fiat 126, put 3 people in that and it was going nowhere in the next year.

0-60, errr not sure if I ever saw 60 on the speedo period.

As always

Mark
Most Underpowered - Waino
I'm not sure 1.6 Sierra's were THAT bad


Agreed - I had a new 1.6 Sierra back in 1984 - and at that time, it was fine. I remember the 1.3 being available and I can imagine that it was awful.
Most Underpowered - DP
Agreed - I had a new 1.6 Sierra back in 1984
- and at that time, it was fine.


The mk1's were okay as a 1.6. The mk2's were not. The car gained about 150kg in the transition and that tipped the balance just a bit too far. I worked at a Ford dealer when I had my mk1 1.6 and it felt no slower than a mk2 1.8.

The non-turbo Escort diesels someone mentioned earlier were just dreadful things. 0-60 in something like 18 seconds and the most horrible din doing so.

Cheers
DP
Most Underpowered - school boy
How come some of these big underpowered cars have high insurance, when lower group, small cars can be just as fast or faster. Does anyone know how the insurance groups are decided?
Most Underpowered - local yokel
Jetta Mk2 I.3 Formel E - yes, reader, I owned one. Touch as old boots, and speaking of boots, you could fit most of Yorkshire in the boot, but boy, was it gutless!
Most Underpowered - Big John
Vauxhall Viva!
Most Underpowered - Bagpuss
Another star from my younger days - Morris Marina 1.3 automatic. 4 up, downhill, 60mph max. Due to incredibly vague steering and the inability to remain in a straight line together with what sound like a thousand elastic bands being wound up it felt more like 160.

In terms of modern cars, I always foresee a very long journey ahead of me whenever the hire car attendant hands me the keys to a compact (whether Golf, Astra or focus) fitted with the dreaded 1.4litre engine.
Most Underpowered - jase1
My old 1.6 Cavalier when one of the cylinders stopped firing! Was a job to keep it above 50 in 5th gear...
Most Underpowered - lordwoody
I'm not sure why a Saab 9000 should appear anywhere on a most underpowered list. I think the base model ( which I owned ) was about 125bhp, up to the Aero which was about 225bhp. None of them can be considered underpowered.
Most Underpowered - frazerjp
Well i drove a Corsa 1 litre when i was learning to drive with BSM, that was quite gutless on the hills, my instructor told me to pull over half way up this steep hill, then pull away in 1st, you have to rev it up to 5000 rpm to comfortably change it to 2nd gear without being restricted to a crawl before stalling!!

Can anybody comfirm the theory that to every tonne a vehicle carries you need to have 10bhp? Some trucks have between 310 to 380 bhp, they still move despite carrying up to 40 tonnes plus but that's before they approach a steep hill!!!!
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Its not what you drive, its how you drive it! :-)
Most Underpowered - Armitage Shanks {p}
So a 2 ton car needs 20 BHP? I don't think that formula is going to catch on!
Most Underpowered - DavidHM
Maybe not but it would move, just, and get up to 40 or 50 mph, eventually. It'd be too slow to keep up with traffic - even if it could match a truck's performance it wouldn't match people's expectations of what a car could do - but it would be a viable form of transport if every car were that slow.
Most Underpowered - school boy
The trucks do it with the torque and loads of gears.
Most Underpowered - Group B
I'm not sure why a Saab 9000 should appear anywhere on
a most underpowered list.


Agreed, who told you Saab 9000's were underpowered, School Boy?

I had a 2.0 16v (non-turbo) for 6 months as a stopgap car. Bought it with 175k miles on it and the engine was not running correctly but it would properly launch itself down the road. I was surprised how well it accelerated and was entertaining to drive. It definitely felt quicker than a 9-5 LPT that I had as a courtesy car more recently. I also got a 9000 Aero as a courtesy car once and that was very quick. Made my own car feel like it was going backwards when I got it back!

Worst car I've owned was a Mk3 Golf 1.8 CL. Quite heavy body but only 75bhp; it was adequate round town but not very good on the motorway. The only car I've had which could not maintain speed up motorway hills. At 75-80mph it would drink fuel due to the low gearing.


:o)
Most Underpowered - school boy
It was a Saab dealer actually !! Mabey he said 900 then, but i think he said it was under the three figure mark on BHP or was just too heavy. It was a very early version of whatever model anyway.
Most Underpowered - Avant
Just about any small engine / big car combination is going to feature here - buying one is usually a false economy as you have to work the engine harder to get anywhere at a reasonable pace.

Going back a bit I can think of these:

- Vauxhall Wyvern (1950s): big bulbous body with a puny 1.5 engine - probably was OK as a Velox with 6-cylinde engine

- Anyone remember the Panhard (late 50s / early 60s)? Body the size of a Ford Consul (Mondeo size) with an 850 cc twin-cylinder engine

- Original Morris Minor - quite a heavy body for the leisurely side-valve lump that had powered (the wrong word) the Morris 8. Replaced eventually by the original A-series which had a smaller capacity (803 cc as opposed to 900-odd) but more oomph. The Minor 1000 came a little later.

- Ford Zephyr 4 of late 60s - the one with a bonnet like a football pitch with I think a 1700 cc engine. Zephyr 6 and Zodiac were more powerful but didn't handle any better.

- Most Hillmans needed more power than they had. The Minx was a strangely attractive name for a not-very-glamorous car.

Most Underpowered - Sofa Spud
For some inexplicable reason I remember this: -

Ford's base model Cortina Mark ll was the 1300 cc version but an 1100 cc version was also available as it had tax advantages in some markets. I remember reading a road test of it, which concluded that it offered no advantages over the 1300 model - it was slower and less economical.

Most Underpowered - Sofa Spud
Quote: >>>>Mk 3 1.4 Golf in a basic spec - had it as a hire car for a day or two. This was when the Golf went from a 'small' car to a medium sized one - It just didn't move - too big and heavy for a 1.4 8v petrol !<<<<

We still run one of these and while it's not ball of fire I wouldn't call it underpowered. After all, the 1.4 was the base engine option, not the one to go for if you wanted a 'performance' Golf.
Most Underpowered - Avant
Yes - I remember the Cortina 1100 test too - must have been in Autocar. Perhaps I remember it because as a new driver then I first realised that trhe bigger engine option was in most cases the better one.
Most Underpowered - spikeyhead {p}
the slowest car I've ever travelled in was an automatic austin maxi, I thnk with a 1300 engine. My brother had it as a courtesy car, though it was more an unsult than a courtesy.

The slowest car I've driven was a fiat seiziento, tiny little thing that was quite entertaining to drive round town, glad I never had to venture onto a motorway though.


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Most Underpowered - cheddar
Cavalier 1.7d, the 1.7td was light years ahead.

Austin / Morris 1100 auto.

Triumph 2000, 84bhp was not enough.
Most Underpowered - tr7v8
the slowest car I've ever travelled in was an automatic austin
maxi, I thnk with a 1300 engine. My brother had it
as a courtesy car, though it was more an unsult than
a courtesy.
The slowest car I've driven was a fiat seiziento, tiny little
thing that was quite entertaining to drive round town, glad I
never had to venture onto a motorway though.
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Only 2 capacities of Maxi that was 1500 & 1750, looking at the Haynes manual at my feet the Auto was MkII & 1750 only. Must put the manual on E bay!
And the reason I have the manual is that years ao I used to buy & sell cars & we could sell every Maxi we ever laid hands on, frequently with buyers queued up!
Most Underpowered - daveyjp
The early Sierras were available with the venerable 1.3 Ford unit as still fitted to the Ford Ka. My uncle had one as a company car and hated it!
Most Underpowered - Chris S
An 848cc Mini - you had to change down to 2nd gear even to go up a moderately steep hill
Most Underpowered - DP
I thought it was a derivative of the Pinto OHC engine used in the rest of the range.

Doesn't change the underlying point though - must have been horribly underpowered.

Vauxhall did a 1.3 litre mk2 Cavalier as well.

Cheers
DP
Most Underpowered - school boy
My dad says his 2.0 Capri was faster and more economical than a 1.6 version.
Most Underpowered - Victorbox
A diesel Austin Maestro - although the brand new 1.5 dci Renault Megane I hired in Majorca this year was pretty slow with four up as well.
Most Underpowered - Martin1981
Definitely agree with the earlier post on the 1.8 diesel Escort- I drove a mate's (1991 J plate) Escort van a few months ago, only half loaded as well and it was a struggle to keep up in town traffic. Definitely the slowest car I've ever driven. It was a joy to get back in the 306TD which goes like the Japanese bullet train compared with the Escort. It is true to say that Ford's diesels in those days were very poor in comparison with Peugeot's 1.7 and 1.9 XUD engines. A truly different story now though.

Martin
Most Underpowered - Dave E
The current Mondeo 1.8 SCi. Breathless lump it is.
Most Underpowered - Canuck
My first university car - a 1964 BMW 700 powered by a 2 cylinder 700cc boxer engine. Red line in second gear was 30 mph. I had some great fun with it until I blew the engine up one day. Being aircooled it was cold as heck in the Canadian winter, but it was a lovely little car.

Canuck
Most Underpowered - Stargazer {P}
My first car was a 1300cc Mk1 Escort with 3 speed automatic gearbox. The engine was all of 56bhp
and while it could start moving very quickly as soon as it tried chagning up a gear all acceleration halted.

Add a passenger or luggage and even the 0-30 times got worse.

Worst this though was not the performance but the dynamo....on idling the indicators and windscreen wipers slowed right down.

StarGazer
Most Underpowered - Aretas
Avenger with a split in its Stromburg carb diaphram. Drove so slowly past a parked police car that he was able to see that my tax disc was out of date. (Had new one in pocket. Just been too lazy to fit it).
Most Underpowered - madf
Looks like you have all been driving fast cars by my standards.. A 850cc Mini slow. A 803cc Morris Minor slow! By the standards of some of the cars of their day, those were positively FAST.

Now an original Austin 7 Ruby post 1930s with a heavy steel body and a sidevalve engine was SLOW.. as was a Ford 8hp Anglia and with only 3 gears...or a Morris 8 prewar..or a Singer

Aything that does 0 to 60mpg in under 20 seconds is by those standards - FAST..


madf
Most Underpowered - Lud
Now an original Austin 7 Ruby post 1930s with a heavy
steel body and a sidevalve engine was SLOW.. as was a
Ford 8hp Anglia and with only 3 gears...or a Morris 8
prewar..or a Singer

Quite right madf. People hardly noticed at the time but small cars pre- and early post-war were pretty carp.

In the seventies, a friend offered me a thirties Austin Ruby for nothing. I drove it round a few blocks in Chelsea where he lived. Coming up to the junction with Flood St I applied the brakes and the car didn't even slow down. As I jumped on the pedal with all my force the owner started laughing: that was the moment he'd been looking forward to. The thing slowed down very reluctantly and came more or less to a halt half way across Flood St, fortunately not busy at that moment.

The car must have been worth something to a collector - it went, had leather, no holes in it - but I didn't want it, even for nothing.
Most Underpowered - DP
The turbocharged Escort diesel went almost as well as the 306 TD, but you just needed earplugs and well secured fillings to cope with the racket and vibration. In fact, the early 92-93 Escort TD's (before emissions regs knocked the stuffing out of the engine) went like something off a shovel if you could ignore the din or the smokescreen out the exhaust.

Which was hard to do, admittedly.

Cheers
DP
Most Underpowered - bimmer-driver
Current Peugeot Partner with the 1.9 non turbo DW8 engine- slow doesn't begin to describe it.
And not all 3 cyl cars are bad- my 1.2 Ibiza had got a decent turn of speed to it if you rev it.

Ben
Most Underpowered - storme
my last car....a E46 3 series 318 coupe

bought it for its looks
but what a dog at the lights

ok on the move but almost died if i tried a fast pull away then the power would pick up
tried all new disa valve etc but to no avail


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Most Underpowered - frazerjp
Will be interesting to try out all these underpowered cars up Porlock Hill North Devon, or have they done that already?
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Most Underpowered - 1066
my husband had a 2.0ltr rover sd1 and he said it was very slow , even slower than his old princess
Most Underpowered - ffidrac {P}
Will be interesting to try out all these underpowered cars up
Porlock Hill North Devon, or have they done that already?
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Aha! a challenge eh?

If that is the A39 out of the village of Porlock toward Lynton I might just be tempted to take a trip down there this weekend with the Kenari........
Most Underpowered - Cliff Pope
I've read that the rare diesel version of the Vanguard Phase 1 was the slowest ever.
Most Underpowered - Avant
I'd forgotten that one Cliff - you probably get the prize. I suspect that a diesel Vanguard could hav been beaten away from lights by an upright, swaying, sit-up-and-beg Ford Popular.

Not the slowest but the most disappointingly underpowered car I ever drove was a Porsche 924 (the original) when a colleague needing to borrow my Renault estate in the early 1980s swapped with me for a week-end. It looked great but under the bonnet beat the leisurely heart of a Volkswagen van.

"my last car....a E46 3 series 318 coupe"....

Younger daughter once went out with a rather self-satisfied boyfriend who was inordinatrly proud of his automatic 318 coupe - until they went in the diesel VW Golf estate that I had at the time and realised that in the acceleraion stakes at least the Golf could have the BMW for breakfast.

Most Underpowered - cheddar
That reminds me, an ex colleague had an early E46 316, dog slow. Supposed to be 100 bhp from the 1.9 against the 318's 115 bhp though it felt like a lot less.
Most Underpowered - Martin Devon
My missus at 05.30 ANY weekday!!

MD

P.S. Don't tell 'er I said so.
Most Underpowered - stackman
Just after the birth of our first child I traded in my sporty little Fiat 127 for a Morris Ital 1.3 estate.

Huge body with a 1275cc A series lump. It was only ever fun to drive when it had snowed.

Land Rover did the Discovery with the 2.0 petrol engine from the 800 for a while. Imagine, the performance of the diesel with the economy of the V8. Genius.



Most Underpowered - colin-e
Bugatti Veyron.

1000bhp is way not enough!!!
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Most Underpowered - 1066
being pedantic i know but i thought it was 1001 hp.
ann
Most Underpowered - mk124
I thought is was 1000 or 1001 PS, I don't know the exact conversion to HP but the VW web site tells us -


'' *Please note: The maximum power output figures are quoted in PS (or Pferdestärken), which is the metric equivalent of horsepower. To convert from metric to imperial horsepower, divide the PS figure by 1.0139. ''



so 1001ps is 987 HP.

I could remember that it was less than 1000HP - disapointingly underpowered!
Most Underpowered - tanvir
Local taxi firm uses Octavia SDI's, even watching them pull out of junctions is painful - god knows what theyre like to drive... 64bhp!
Most Underpowered - colin-e
Only 987hp for a Veyron?

I'll cancel my order!!
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