Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - artful dodger {P}
The Freight Transport Association is trying to persuade the Government to include new powers in the Road Safety Bill to track rogue foreign road haulage firms.

www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/20...l

Many times in the backroom the subject of foreign lorry drivers comes up and this does seem like a good idea. If the figures provided in the article are correct about unroadworthy foreign lorries and drivers exceeding hours, then this is long overdue.

I still have to ask why LHD lorries are not fitted with mirrors to remove their blind spot that has caused so many accidents.


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Roger
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Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - stevied
Don't several people have to be killed before anything gets done in this country? Isn't that the rule?
Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - Bill Payer
Don't several people have to be killed before anything gets done
in this country? Isn't that the rule?

I'd be very surprised if it's not possible to come up with some numbers (of dead people) there.
Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - Collos25
The reason for not changing the mirrors is the same as the UK,s hundreds of rogue drivers on the continent not having to change theirs.The trucks on mainland Europe are subject to far more stringent tests than the UK.Incidently what is the definition of a rogue truck I am not standing up for illegal truckers but the UK is so insular and believes we can never be guilty of the same offences abroad ,I'ii wager UK trucks as a percentage are invoved in far more accidents in the UK than Ero drivers.
Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - artful dodger {P}
>>I'ii wager UK trucks as a percentage are invoved in far more accidents in the UK than Ero drivers.

The last accident and close near miss both involved foreign LHD lorries.

>>The trucks on mainland Europe are subject to far more stringent tests than the UK.

This I cannot believe with so many east european countries having far poorer standards than ours, and plenty of their vehicles on our road. Just check a few comments from Big Bad Dave and you will realise that their standards of driving and vehicle checks leave a lot to be desired.

Personally I think the vast majority of British truck drivers are the best truckers in Europe.


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Roger
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Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - Collos25
Personally I think the vast majority of British truck drivers are the best truckers in Europe.

You have to be joking,why do I feel safe driveing throughout mainland europe and intimidated and very wary in the UK.


Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - Dave E
You have to be joking,why do I feel safe driveing throughout
mainland europe and intimidated and very wary in the UK.


Because of all the foreign drivers on our roads?
Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - No FM2R
1 person saved per £1m cost to prevent, is actually the rule of thumb.
Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - R75
But I also seem to remember a Traffic Sargent I used to have the odd drink with telling me that the cost of 1 road death was about £2m and the cost to investigate was about £1m!!

As for the mirrors as mentioned earlier, trucks already have 3 mirrors on the passanger side to cover most of the blind spot, but as with a car there are still areas not covered and no matter how many mirrors you have you will not get rid of them all, and in fact you will take some of the drivers attention off of the road if they have too many - it's a bit of a balancing act, which I doubt will ever be fully resolved.
Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - No FM2R
>>But I also seem to remember.....

You may well be correct. But perceived wisdom is that preventative measures that will save 1 life for every £1m spent are acceptable. Seemingly a higher cost than that is not regarded as reasonable.
Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - Hamsafar
Even if a truck in the UK has British plates, it stands a fair chance of being driven by a foreigner working through an agency. This is especially true of the big names delivering for national shop-chains.
Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - yorkiebar
couple of points here.

many uk trucks are driven by (cheap) foreign drivers through agencies. Nice way of forcing our wages down long term!

Mirrors; doesnt really matter how many mirrors or where they are. if you sat in a cab of a lorry you would realise how little you can actually see! And it is quite possible to reverse into things and do considerable damage and not a thing about it. As soon as as cab turns even a slight bend more vision is lost.

When reversing only 1 set of mirrors is usable too!

Not supporting a point of view, just stating facts.
Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - Westpig
Stevied,

There's no real point in waiting for some death stats to highlight the cause..... as a fair chunk of them are meaningless........

take the speed camera stats where 5 deaths can equal a camera........ some clown near where I live managed to kill 5 people in one go by doing a Prince Naseem and driving like a total idiot ( i would have liked to have used a decent expletive here) at extremely high speed and wiping out the car coming the other way.... next thing you know is a speed camera in the most ridiculous of places.....

then there's the ones where someone has committed suicide off a bridge and some poor sod has run over them on the road below, they count for the camera count........ absolute madness

the lorry issue probably wouldn't have the death stats recorded in a format that would tell you the real story...
Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - mk124
The figure of £1m to prevent a death is intreging. Why don't they channel some funds to the N.H.S or to poor countries where £100 is enough to save a life? U.K road safety has become an obession witnessed by the crash test eurocap does and how the subsequent ratings affect the sales/price of new cars.
On the truck issue I think only trucks that can pass U.K tests should operate on our roads. Why are we paying £1m to prevent a death on U.K roads when it is £50k in eastern european countries?
Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - Collos25
Testing in most European countries is far more stringent than the UK also the trailers are tested and have a seperate plate and pay duty for them (something the fail to tell you when doing cost comparisons),the running costs of a UK artic are in fact cheaper than ,Dutch ,German,French,Danish,Swedish ,Norwergian ,Belgium,and Italian trucks according to the EU 's own figures.The UK has one of the oldest stock of trucks with poor fuel figures and badly maintained if they were subject to the many roadside checks performed in Germany half the trucks in the UK would be quarantined.
Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - pmh
From experience of part time living and driving in France the general level of courtesy of the HGV drivers (and lack of intimindating tactics) is much better than in the UK.
The main exception would appear to be the Spanish lorries on the A9 who are specialists in uphill truck racing with minimal speed differentials on 2 lane sections. This is something that 5 years ago was only seen very rarely.

Has this got something to with French eating and driving habits leading to a relaxed style of driving? Despite the crackdown on D&D, iIt is not unusual to find the fixed priced menus at 12 or 13 ? fully consumed with the 0.5l (or more!) of 'vin rouge compris' in the 'Routier' cafes.


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Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - Number_Cruncher
>>Testing in most European countries is far more stringent than the UK also the trailers are tested

HGV trailers are tested in the UK, and have a plate.

Number_Cruncher
Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - Collos25
They are not registered with a registration plate and do not pay yearly excise duty
Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - Dave E
Why would they need another registration plate? All the trailers that I have had access to, have a business based serial number, are MOTed and inspected regularly and when coupled up to a unit do in fact have a registration plate. As regards the VED for the largest vehicles, I would expect the £1850 paid by the operator takes in to consideration the fact that said vehicle will be pulling a trailer. After all, they are unlikely to be purchased for recreational use.
Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - yorkiebar
Trailers don't actually drive on the road. they are towed by a tax paying cab!
Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - Dave E
Further to the above, operators do in fact have to pay duty on trailers. Check out the Motoring section on the Directgov website.
Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - Collos25
I am merely pointing out that in mainland europe most trailers are as such and the increased costs are born by the operator .The UK is not out of sinc with the rest it is in fact cheaper to run a truck in the UK .A German truck for eg may fill up with cheaper diesel in France but his fixed overheads are considerable more.In Germany by the way all trailers are plated and taxed including caravans and as such have to have seperate insurance.
Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - Collos25
The original thread was about mirrors and safety ,fitting more mirrors would not make the slightest difference but better and more spot checks on drivers hours would along with no overtaking uphill or down only in designated flat areas.
Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - artful dodger {P}
Andy

Correction. The original thread was about rogue foreign hauliers, I only tacked the comment about mirrors on as it had been discussed before in previous threads.


All the talk of higher continental standards for lorries and trailers misses the point as east european countries have far lower standards than the west european countries. It is the problem of no central european register of transport to identify regular offenders that the Freight Transport Association is highlighting.

Maybe is is about time the EEC got round to having a unified set of rules for all road freight, so we all know that every lorry on our roads meets the same standards.


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Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - Xileno {P}
"Maybe is is about time the EEC got round to having a unified set of rules for all road freight, so we all know that every lorry on our roads meets the same standards."

No more Eurotwatic rules please.
Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - Collos25
I could not agree more use the German or Swedish testing system and about half the trucks in Europe would disappear and I think the UK would be one of the hardest hit.
Fears grow on rogue foreign hauliers - Dave E
I could not agree more use the German or Swedish testing
system and about half the trucks in Europe would disappear and
I think the UK would be one of the hardest hit.


Andy,

Where is your proof? Or are you just expressing an opinion?
 

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