Mondeo ST24 - Adam {P}
I know I know! It's a Mondeo but what are the pitfalls of these cars?

We had a V6 Mk 1 which we owned from new but only for a year so not really a fair indication of the car itself.

Any glaring problems with these? Also, given the fact it's a mark 2, it's going to handle like a pig I imagine. Any relatively easy ways of stiffening if up a little?

I'd be looking at one ideally with less than 60k on but age wouldn't be a problem. (Obviously the newer the better though).

Go on - talk me out of it.
Mondeo ST24 - Hugo {P}
Go on - talk me out of it.


OK then, Don't! ;)

I don't know when the Mk 2 came into beiing, but I know a few people who've had them and they've been OK.

Smokin Chaz may be a good person to ask, when he's around....

H
Mondeo ST24 - rtj70
But surely the original ST24 still had the 168bph V6 engine of the Ghia? Am I missing something apart from body kit and maybe tweaked suspension. In fact didn't the ST200 of the period have similar/same engine and at the time Vauxhall probably had the GSi with a more powerful engine (but poor handling/suspension/etc.... Rob ducks below flack).

And if it is of that period then your Focus is probably better handling, is it not?

You're so into a V6/V8 but why an old Mondeo? And I drive a current TDCi but that's another thread.



Mondeo ST24 - MichaelR
The Mondeo ST24 is an excellent car. There is little else that is as good at everything the Mondeo is for the same money that isn't either considerably older or lacking in other areas.

The standard fit bodystyling on the hatchback and later saloons turns the Mk2 Mondeo from a rather dull car into something which really looks rather good - whilst most standard Mondeo's don't even stand out, there is something rather nice about a clean RSAP kitted Mondeo. They are reasonably quick, reliable, and cheap to buy.

There is, however, one issue with them - the waterpump on pre 2000 examples has a plastic impellor. This snaps, and kills the head gasket. This is very expensive. But fear not - you can buy an uprated pump to cure this before it actually happens for about 40 quid.

Now onto the bad points..

The engine is the same as you'll find in the Ghia and Ghia X - 167bhp of 2.5 litre V6. Becuase the engine is the same, the performance is the same. Infact other than the bodykit, the only difference between an ST24 and a Ghia X is the fact the ST24 has half the kit removed, and 15mm lower suspension.

And costs more.

Consider a Ghia X V6 instead. You get everything the ST24 has but you also get full leather, cruise control, heated seats (Although the late 99 on ST24 has heated seats), a sunroof, Climate on late 99 on, trip computer, etc. The ST24 does not have these things (Some had sunroofs).

The RSAP bodystyling which makes the ST24 look so nice was also available as a factory fit option on 2.0 and 2.5 Ghia X models - so you might even find what is IMHO the best non ST200 Mondeo, a Ghia X V6 with the same bodykit as the ST24.

Even if you don't with the cash you save going for a Ghia X over an ST24 you can buy the kit and stick it on, like I did.

If a better all rounder exists for under £3.5k then I've yet to find it. Primera is nice, but the interior is gash, 406 is good but not as reliable, Vectra is rubbish...
Mondeo ST24 - MichaelR
Oh and it most certainly doesn't handle like a pig. It's not a Ford Focus but it was top of its class for handling throughout its production life.

And talking of its production life, relevant dates for you...

ST24 introduced in October 1996 with rest of Mk2 range, but only in saloon form. No bodykit.

ST24 hatchback with RSAP bodystyling introduced in August 1997 on an R plate. Bodystyling added to option list of ST24 saloon and Ghia X hatch/saloon.

ST200 with 202bhp 2.5 V6, Recaro interior, and all the toys a Ghia X had bar the cruise control introduced in mid 1999. Only available in Imperial Blue, with 17" alloys and twin exhuast.

ST24 and ST200 discontinued in October 2000. Few kicked around and are registered on Y plates. Small amount of white 51 plate ST200's around, cancelled police order.

Great cars. ST200's are very expensive for what they are though. Doesn't stop me wanting one, though.
Mondeo ST24 - Imagos
Adam, MichealR posts are excellent. very discriptive and well put i have to say.

Remember before my current company car i had a 1998(S) 2.5 Ghia X saloon manual and I was most certainly delighted with it, no problems at all. No intentions of selling it until circumstances changed. Agree with MichaelR if your considering a ST24 go for a Ghia X instead. Maybe you could find some ST24 alloys on eBay and hey presto!

MichaelR, do you know the story behind later Mondeos and why the door ajar warning display and fluid level warnings were deleted?
Mondeo ST24 - cheddar
The ST24 ia a great car, I nearly had one as a co car in '98 though went for a Vectra SRi V6 estate because I wanted the practicality at the time, the Vectra estate was fairly sporty being only the same plan area as the hatch though the Mondeo estate (as with the current model) was a rather lardy bottomed load carrier. I should say that the Ford 2.5 V6 engine is more silky at low revs than the Vauxhall though the latter is a fair bit more torquey and punchy in the mid range so feels quicker, at higher revs they are comparable. The Mondeo has the advantage of a cam chain, a belt job is not cheap on a four cam V6.

A Vectra is worthy of consideration, 98 model SRi's on 16" not 15" alloys had suspension mods that had them steer and handle fairly well, this was transposed to all models at the time of the facelift so (as with Michael R's Ghia X point above) a late CDX Vectra could be a good buy.
Mondeo ST24 - MichaelR
MichaelR, do you know the story behind later Mondeos and why
the door ajar warning display and fluid level warnings were >> deleted?


In very late 1998, Ford did a minor facelift to the interior of the Mondeo. Out went the dark blue 'Alchemy' interior colour, in came Midnight Black which was more appealing and a very dark grey colour instead. They also fitted a revised steering wheel, chrome interior handles, chrome handbrake handle. Very subtle but it does look nicer. However..

They also went on an economy drive as well. The Ghia X lost the doorhandle lights, the AWS (Auxillery Warning System so the door ajar warning etc), the stereo was downgraded from an RDS7000 to an RDS5000 and the carpeting on the outside of the door bins were removed. It was purely a cost cutting measure but it was largely pointless. To this end, almost all 1999 onwards Mondeos do not have the AWS etc but do have a slightly nicer interior.

Adam - yes, the later Ghia X's have climate. Specifically, all Ghia X's built after July 1999 are fitted with SATC (Climate Control)and traction control as standard on the 2.0, as well as side airbags. You can easily identify these models - the B pillar is black, not bodycoloured.

Despite the lack of the standard bodykit, both the saloon and the hatch ST24 are the same insurance Group 16 - Ghia X V6 is also Group 16. IMHO the bodykit makes a HUGE difference, turns the car from a dull looking hatch into something really rather nice.

Please do not consider a 1995-2002 Vectra as an alternative to a V6 Mondeo. With the notable exception of the GSi, it just doesn't compare, SRi or not. I looked at some CDX's when I bought my Ghia X, the interior was not as nice, they did not feel as well built, it certainly did not handle as well. I could find nothing to put it above the Mondeo in any regard, so I bought the Mondeo.

No regrets whatsoever. Brilliant cars - half the reason why I'm so content to sit here and wax lyrical about them :p

Few pictures for you..

www.ocuk-motors.co.uk/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=co...2

www.ocuk-motors.co.uk/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=co...2

No, thats not oil from the car its water :p

Mondeo ST24 - L'escargot
Also, given the fact it's a
mark 2, it's going to handle like a pig I imagine.
Any relatively easy ways of stiffening if up a little?


Without appearing to be rude, Adamski, what makes you think you can make a better job of it than Ford? A friend of mine stiffened up his car and ended up with roll oversteer. It wasn't nice.
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Mondeo ST24 - RichardW
Previous post from Adam: "Consumption on my 1.8 4 pot Focus is dire, I have to fill it up every 5 minutes"

Future post from Adam: "Consumption on my 2.5 V6 is completely, utterly, horrendous. I have to be followed around by a fuel bowser"

:-))

If you want one Adam, buy it*! You'll only regret it for the next 15 years or so if not...


* if you can afford the fuel bills!
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Is it illogical? It must be Citroen....
Mondeo ST24 - Adam {P}
Very interesting thoughts and thanks to all those that have replied.

I've decided, finances depending that I'm going to change my car this year while it's still got some life in it so that I can give it to Dad. Of course, I'll need to get a job first but given I leave Uni in a month, I'm going to have to get my skates on!

I've so far been mulling over 3 realistic options;

* V6 Galant but sadly really quite rare without travelling countrywide

* ST24 Mondeo and even ST200 but insurance is still going to be a factor

* Vectra SRi (Won't get touched on a GSi)


Now what I've noticed is, if I go for the more "luxury" models (e.g. Ghia X and CDX,) in Vauxhall's case, the interior is a lot nicer (Cream anyone?) but also the insurance doesn't seem anywhere near as bad and by that I mean, I can actually get an online quote.

So as you can imagine, I'm quite happy to see the posts applauding the CDX and Ghia X's. I had a quick look on autotrader and noticed that the later Ghia X's come with climate control!

It should be noted that any Vectra I got would definitely be the facelift model and any Mondeo preferably a saloon but I wouldn't walk away from a decent hatch.

And Snaily, I have no idea to be honest. The Mondeo being the car that it is, I would assume Ford went for comfort rather than handling. Sadly my knowledge of stuff like that starts and ends with "uprated springs" and "strut brace" and that's it!

And Richard, I have a theory. That theory is that I've already prepared myself for poor consumption so it won't come as so much as a hit!

Thanks very much for all the detailed advice chaps - by hook or by crook I'm going to have a V6 even if it's for 6 months or 6 years. I've just got to have one!

I'll keep you posted and thanks again,

Adam
Mondeo ST24 - cheddar
IIRC an ST24 saloon is lower ins that a hatch because it does not have the body kit.
Mondeo ST24 - cheddar
2.2 150 bhp Vectra worthy of consideration if it has had the cam chain oil feed issue addressed sweet free revving punchy engine, as was the previous 2.0 136bhp belt cam engine for that matter.
Mondeo ST24 - Adam {P}
Is it a V6 though?
Mondeo ST24 - cheddar
The 2.2 is not a V6, no. I liked my V6 Vectra, very characterful engine, not smooth and refined at low revs though smoothed out at high revs, really quite punchy, used to get around 28 mpg IIRC.
Mondeo ST24 - L'escargot
Of course, I'll need to get a job first but given I leave Uni in a month, I'm going to have to get my skates on!


Surely you didn't need go to University to become a professional ice skater? ;-)


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Mondeo ST24 - L'escargot
Adamski, I hope this helps. mysite.verizon.net/triaged/4linkcalcv15html/index....l
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Mondeo ST24 - Adam {P}
If my ice skating career fails now Snaily, I'll blame you!

Thanks again for all the continued assistance - it is very much appreciated. On the offchance I did an insurance quote on a 2000 Ghia X 2.5 V6 5dr and it comes to £1,000 which would be perfectly fine.

Michael, if you wanted to send some more photos (preferably of the interior) then feel free to email them to me. It looks a lot better inside than I gave it credit for.

Thanks again gents,

Adam
Mondeo ST24 - Chas{P}
Hi Adam

MichaelR has given a comprehensive rundown for this model which I haven?t got anything to add.

Couple more things:

There are 5,400 ST24?s still on the road, 5,500 GhiaX?s; so plenty to choose from.

Overall MPG a colleague of mine got when he was commuting mainly on the motorway was around 33.

In terms of reliability, apart from the rare but expensive water pump issue, there are no real problems to look out for. Just all the usual things to check like you would buying any other used car.

I run a same shape X Reg 2.0 Zetec and the car has been great with only normal wear and tear items needing replacement. My MPG is: Urban 36MPG, Motorway 42MPG. At 84k on the clock can still pull 120+ at the airfield.

What about considering a 2.0 Zetec S? Nice spec and would be much better on the insurance front.

HTH

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Mondeo ST24 - Adam {P}
Hi Charles,

Thanks for that. The MPG is not really a concern. I know it's going to be poor but I'll just have to live with it.

Good to know that there's only really one major problem which, if I got one, I'd address straight away.

I'm sure the 2.0 Zetec S is a superb car but my next car absolutely, positively must be a V6! And believe it or not, £1000 for insurance is actually very very good for me. Crazy but true.
Mondeo ST24 - MichaelR
The 2.0 Zetec-S is merely a Zetec with rear discs, traction control and the bodykit.

Becuase it has the bodykit it commands really silly prices which IMHO are just not worth it for a 2.0 Mondeo. But if you want a no hassle way into a decent looking Mk2 without searching high and low for a Ghia X with the kit...
Mondeo ST24 - Adam {P}
Assuming I went out today and bought a Ghia X with no kit on. How would I go about getting the ST kit for it? Spraying isn't a problem but I wouldn't have the first idea about where to get it from. I assume Ford don't sell it?

I couldn't live with a standard looking Mondeo at all so if I got one it'd either have to be the ST24 or a Ghia X and then add the kit on (preferable).
Mondeo ST24 - rtj70
But if you add the bodykit and maybe swap wheels, don't forget to inform the insurance because it's a modification. Will put your premiums up I'd have thought.
Mondeo ST24 - Adam {P}
Good point. I shouldn't imagine it would put it up too much though.

I get the impression you're against this idea rtj! Name me an alternative!
Mondeo ST24 - MichaelR
Ford will sell you the kit but it's ridiculously expensive, a 4 figure sum.

Instead, the best place to get the bits is breakers yards and Ebay - but avoid replica parts. Go for genuine Ford, it'll look brand new when sprayed up. Budget £150ish a bumper and £100 for the skirts and £50 for the spoiler + painting.

Despite the fact the bodykit was an optional extra when new you will need to inform the insurer. I think Admiral charge me an extra 50 quid.
Mondeo ST24 - rtj70
Not against the idea at all, although I never personally liked the Mark II Mondeo. If you can forgo the V6, can you not afford getting a Mark III Mondeo with a decent(ish) powered engine? Sure if you tried a diesel you'd like the extra torque.

Might be easier/better to get one with the body kit factory fitted though rather than trying to fit yourself though. Not sure how much a difference it makes on insurance. But I knew someone with an Audi A6 2.5 who swapped the wheels for a different set (same size). When he had an accident, insurance company's inspector noticed wheels not standard and wanted the extra £100ish for the modifications before they paid up. And that was, as I say, for wheels for the same size as the originals.

Rob
Mondeo ST24 - MichaelR
Not sure what it is you dislike about the Mk2 Mondeo but given the choice of a scabby Mk3 or a mint Mk2 I'd take the Mk2.

Mk2 Mondeo Ghia X's with the bodykit fitted at the factory do exist but are extremely rare. Of those which do exist, 75% of them appear to be automatics. It is immeasurably easier to buy a non-kitted one and fit the kit yourself, as there are plenty of ST24's in breakers yards etc and Ebay is usually full of bumpers and stuff.

Provided you declare the modifications, there is no problem. Some insurers think its a big deal, simply find those that do not. I was not charged for the modifications, although fully declared, on a policy taken out with one insurer when I was 19 and even when I moved to Admiral its only about 50 quid they've asked for.
Mondeo ST24 - Adam {P}
I was hoping you weren't going to suggest a scrappy. Like I said, I could basically have my pick of ST's but GhiaX's are few and far between. Mind you, maybe the situation will change before I actually come to buy one.

Rob,

The Mk3 Mondeo had crossed my mind. It has to be a V6 though. Must be otherwise I'd buy what I've got now again. The problem is, I keep thinking "Well if I just had a grand extra" and then "Well if I just had 1,000 pounds more" etc etc and then I end up with needing to spend loads. I really want to keep the initial costs down. After seeing my mate take 16 grand out on finance for an 02 plate TT, I've realised that's exactly what I don't want to do.

And I have driven a few diesels. Not for me at the minute I'm afraid. Maybe when I'm married but for the time being it's petrol for a good while yet!