I am not a motoring clued up person. I know how to drive, and I know the speed limits. but its that which has alerted me.
to be quite blunt, you may remember my thread asking for help between 1.3 D and 1.4 P corsa engine. Since then I have been looking into corsavans aswell as cars.
however, someone from my college class found out that I was looking at it. And he said something about lower speed limits, different tax, different MOT, different insurance
I dont mind paying slightly more on tax mot and insurance, if it means i get all the extra space. However is what he said about lower speed limits true. Its well crap that the limit is 70 as is i dont think i could take driving at 60 (considering il also be doing a lot of long distance driving.)
The reason im questioning this is because they guy who told me is a bit of a tard. I wouldnt trust him as far as throw him.
If someone can confirm or deny this, please do.
I apologise if it seems like a really stupid question. But this is really annoying me.
Thanks in advance
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Lower speed limits do apply above a certain weight but I don't know whether this is laden or unladen.
The Transit Connect is affected - see www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?v=e&t=23...9 - though I would have thought the Corsa van too small/light.
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laden or unladen
Implication from the link is laden (GVW) but if it really is 2000Kg as implied, then I certainly can't see the Corsa Van getting even close to needing to worry.
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The speed limit for LGVs is 50 on B roads and 70 on motorway. In reality if you drive larger vans, the B road limit is about right as is 70 when laden for the sake of fuel economy. Differnt story when traveling unladen in the sprintetr on motorway though.
I doubt that the corsa is subject to LGV rules as it is car derived.
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I would imagine that because the Corsa Van is a car derived van it is not subject to the lower limits.
But don't go driving over 60 until someone who knows for sure confirms or denies this!
Not a stupid question at all - it crops up occasionally with other vans.
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Highway Code p26. Car-derived vans are lumped with cars up to 2 tonnes MLW, same speed limits apply.
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gemini, I am currently driving a Vauxhall Combi van which is car derived from the Corsa and can confirm that it is NOT subject to the speed restrictions which apply to the Transit Connect.
However, my personal opinion of the Combi is that I would rather drive the Transit Connect anytime, the only good things that the Combi has going for it over the Connect is that the 1.3 D engine is very responsive and lively and that the speed limit is higher. Can't speak for the Corsa car as I've never been in one, let alone driven one but the van has imprecise steering, poor handling in corners, is very prone to tramlining on the motorway (and I have had the steering geometry checked out). Makes the fact that the Connect is restricted so much more of a nonsense, IMHO it is far superior to the Combi but has to be driven 10mph slower!
Do yourself a favour and don't buy the Combi, at least until you've had a really good test drive, I only drive it because it appeals to my cheapskate fleet managers because it's cheaper and I have no choice.
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Cockle I thank you for your advice. However im sticking with Corsa. This is purely because I want a corsa anyway, and the only reason I was looking into a van is because I am a big guy. And if I were to have the back seats in the car, 2 of them would be completely useless anyway. Id much rather take a van and have all the extra load space :)
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No problem, the van may well suit you and not me, one man's meat and all that, but do please have a good test drive before parting with your hard earned.
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First post after lurking for an eternity!
Our firm has hundreds of Vauxhall Combo's, and talking to the fleet manager they seem to be prone to one or two problems, namely broken gear linkages and blown turbos. In my office, out of 8 Combo's, the gear linkage has gone on 4 of them (including mine), 2 turbos have gone, and one guy's on his second engine after 20K.
They also eat front tyres.
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Perfect. Thats all I needed. Thanks for your help folks. I know where to come or where to recommend anyone who needs car or driving advice :)
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Under Schedule 6 Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 , Part IV, which deals with speed limits the higher speed for a goods vehicle applies to a "car=derived van" which is defined as:
.....a goods vehicle which is constructed or adapted as a derivative of a passenger vehicle and which has a maximum laden weight not exceeding 2 tonnes...
The Section also points out that a vehicle falling into two or more classes shall be treated as falling within the class frto which the power or lowest speed limit is specified.
AMEN
dvd
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If your whole weight ,including a trailer dosnt go over 7.5 tons then you dont have to worry about a different speed limit.
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That's not strictly true.
The Ford Transit Connect is nowhere near 7.5 tonnes and is subject to the lower limits.
Read above for the more detailed explanations.
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My opinion would be that it is a car derived van. (I am thinking of the right one I hope that is the van that has exactly the same dimensions as a three door car, the one with the windows blanked out)
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Speed limits affecting car derived vans and non car derived vans have recently been covered here.
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=23988&...e
There is also a useful link to the relevent page of the highway code.
www.highwaycode.gov.uk/09.htm#103
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PU - That's what a Corsavan is but I have the feeling the OP is talking about the Combo, as the Corsavan doesn't actually have much (any?) extra space compared to the standard car, unless it's achieved at the expense of front seat travel. I guess the Combo is also a CDV though for the purposes of the legislation.
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I'll confess I thought he meant the Combo at first but think he's perhaps thinking of the Corsavan when he mentioned the lack of rear seats.
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I guess the Combo is also a CDV though for the purposes of the legislation.
I'm not so sure....but I think possibly.
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The highway code limits must be true but no-one obays the van rule and the police dont enforce it.
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I think you'll find that they probably do.
There are a number of speed cameras now which can tell the difference as well and if you get nabbed by a van, you will get done too.
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So 4x4s should then be subject to the same rule as they are over 2tons.
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What's two tonnes got to do with anything?
4x4s aren't (generally) vans either.
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It is surely the weight not if it is a van or not. Plus go to the Land Rover website and others as most 4x4s are also vans aswell.
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I've never seen a Defender van or Discovery van or Range Rover van. If you mean ones with panelled out rear windows then that surely would constitute a car derived van?
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I doubt they would be classed as car derived as they were not derived from the other models, well the defender I mean.
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What the hell are you on about?
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The defender. Know what that is? It is a van as well as a 4x4 notice i use 4x4, NOT car, so it cannot be car derived.
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I really have no idea if you're being serious or not but you do realise that the Defender is a car don't you? 4WD doesn't mean it stops being a car.
A Defender? I'm not too sure I know what they are. Were they made by Jeep?
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A Defender is the modern name given to the original shape Land-Rover, I don't know where you get the idea that it is a van!
A Defender can be a Pickup, a 12 seater car a Tractor unit etc there are so many derivatives that I could go on all night!!
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Exactly, it was not designed as a car first, so cannot therefore be called a car derived van.
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On all my quoting systems the Landrover Defender is classed as a commercial vehicle.
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Exactly, it was not designed as a car first, so cannot therefore be called a car derived van.
It wasn't designed as a van first either.
And what about the Citroen Berlingo? Van first, then car later. The Berlingo Van is still classed as a car derived van.
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Landrover is classed as a dual purpose vehicle i.e. constructed both for the carriage of goods and passengers and ulw ne 2040k and has fourwheel drive. This satisfies the first part of the
definition at law and being under 12 metres in length has the highest limit. Over 12 drops down a cog to the lower limits 60/60/50.
dvd
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>And what about the Citroen Berlingo? Van first, then car later.
I think it's built on the ZX/306 floorpan with 405 estate suspension. It's a Frankenvan alright.
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