After eleven years from new, the original back box on the Missus' 306 Sedan is starting to blow. Sure enough, it has two large rust scabs. I think I'll be writing a stern letter to Peugeout UK; the cheek of it to fail so soon in the car's life! ;-)
Out of interest, taking a gander at the full length of the system, the pipework appears to be stainless steel because it has no corrosion beyond light surface tarnishing and rings nicely if hit with a spanner. Joking aside, a shame therefore that the same can't said of the box, especially as it is a collection point for corrosive gases and water vapour. Any chain is as strong as its weakest link, and the box is it.
Anyway, the reason for the post; we are likely to keep this cracking fun car for a few more years, so saving every last penny on the cheapie-cheapiest of exhausts (rear section) is not my goal. I would like to fit a replacement that will see out our ownership, so my first thought is to buy from Peugeot.
Before I do however, is a replacement exhaust likely to be of the same excellent standard as the original, or given that mainstream production of new cars has ceased will Peugeot simply buy from the cheapest supplier once a bare minimum standard has been met?
Cheers.
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I have replaced the rear silencer on a 106 diesel, and I think the replacement has now lasted longer than the original. It was bought from GSF. The taper joints and clamps used by PSA make the fitting about a 10 minute job, even on an old car. The rest of the system is still good, as you describe.
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any decent motor factor will do a budget exhaust and a quality o.e. type exhaust go there if you are fitting it yourself and ask for the trade price,buy a new clamp as well, about a fiver and a new gasket seal about £2.50,this will see your car out.
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Budget exhaust systems can be a gamble,if you dont wish to fit yourself.get a fast fit centre to give a quote-most have minimum 12 months warranty others more.another point to consider is vehicle may be on change over..Ie spec changed so an alteration in design of exhaust may mean a different exhaust is specified for car.can mean parts not expected to change will have to be!
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Unfortunately it is not possible afaik to replece just the back box. It'll have to be the full system :(
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EuroCarParts list the different sections for the 306 saloon petrol/diesel... so they must be available, even if it means having to cut the exhaust pipe to slip on the new section (as I had to do on my old Ibiza diesel).
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Thanks, All; My various local stockists didn't have any "on the shelf" yesterday so I'll attend to it in the new year when we return from holiday. When I do so I will compare Peugeot with the "quality" fast fit alternatives and then decide. For info, on another car I on which I replaced a "rear section only", like AndyT I had to cut the original system first with a saw.
Happy Christmas and bye for now!
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>>For info, on another car I on which I replaced a "rear section only", like AndyT I had to cut the original system first with a saw.
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Perhaps this is a common requirement.
Focus and IIRC my Mondeo also have one piece system but Haynes specifies where to cut the pipe.
Surprise surprise, when I asked a well known exhaust centre re a back box only replacement the reply was "It has to be the whole system Sir. Hmmm.
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bosal, walker, these a very good makes of exhausts which make them for main dealers! if you use the car quite often it should last ages, they rust internally first due to condensation so keeping it hot, ie a good run from time to time should do the trick.
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I brought a replacement rear system for my Citroen ZX which had a chrome tail pipe and this had been on the car as yours for some ten years.
The replacement was from GFS and its been on the car for some 3 months, had no problems in fitting it. But the chrome pipe is rusting, where the original of tens years had no sign of rust.
So as you say about replacement quality, this shows the poor quality, but as for a genuine from Peugeot I don't know. The replacment I have may see the car out as whole, with or without the chrome/brown tailpipe.
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I brought a replacement rear system for my Citroen ZX which had a chrome tail pipe and this had been on the car as yours for some ten years.
The replacement was from GFS and its been on the car for some 3 months, had no problems in fitting it. But the chrome pipe is rusting, where the original of tens years had no sign of rust.
So as you say about replacement quality, this shows the poor quality, but as for a genuine from Peugeot I don't know. The replacment I have may see the car out as a whole, with or without the chrome/brown tailpipe.
The same applies to my sons 306 tail pipe from the same source and his chrome pipe is the same, rusting.
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I purchased a middle section for approx 23 quid and a rear box for 19 quid from EUROCAR PARTS. Both have been on a year and a half, just fitted them on with a bit of exhaust seal paste, jobs a good un. Local pug dealer quoted me 130 quid for both fitted
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I know on the 306 DTurbo, S16, GTi6 and also the XSi models you can change the rear box on its own so i see no reason why other models should be any different.
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I know on the 306 DTurbo, S16, GTi6 and also the XSi models you can change the rear box on its own so i see no reason why other models should be any different.
Having yesterday paid to have the job done, I now know what you mean blue_haddock! All previous cars I have owned have had the back box mounted on several feet of pipework that has to be fiddled between floorpan, suspension beams, and whatever. On the 306 though the box comes as a box. Period! Undo the clamp that holds a stub flange on the box to the exhaust pipe; unhook the two supporting rubbers; remove; reverse procedure to refit. Took litterally two minutes for which I was relieved of half an hour's labour (£35). Oh well! Thanks for the advice even though I didn't interpret what you almost certainly intended.
Out of interest, although no V70 (our other car) for mechanical refinement, the 306 is now quieter at speed than at any time we've owned it (the last 3.5 years out of 11 from new). No big surprise there, but we did get a different surprise; everything upstream of the back box is still original, but the engine revs more freely and pulls more urgently through the mid range than before. This XU7 lump was never previously a slug, but neither was it as lively (I didn't say "fast") as I would expect a 1.8 8 valve engine, tuned for torque in a lightish car, to be. Well, it now performs as it should. Methinks we previously had a collapsed baffle partially restricting gas flow!
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"Undo the clamp that holds a stub flange on the box to the exhaust pipe ..."
Was it Really as simple as that, on an 11-year-old car? Those things are usually rusted pretty solid, in my limited experience ...
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Yup, it really was simple. I didn't see the technician do the work, but I do know how long I waited whilst he did it! With the car up in the air, access to the clamp would have been good so even if he had to cut it or heat it he shouldn't have had to struggle.
The exhaust pipe itself appears to be high stainless content as it has suffered only the thinnest veneer of surface corrosion along its length and as written above "rings" cleanly when knocked with a spanner. The rear box that was replaced also appears to have had high stainless content components - including the flange - so I would have expect it to come apart quite easily. (It was the main skin of the back box that appears to have been lower quality metal and which had an unwanted hole)
For info, although yellowed with dirt stains, the center box looks like it is good quality stainless steel as it is entirely uncorroded beyond some slight brown staining on the seams.
Finally, a poke around yesterday showed the catalyst box to be completely covered in surface rust but still apparently structurally sound. I'll find out if the cat itself is working properly in a few weeks when I have the car checked at my trusted Pug Indy before MOT.
All in all, I was amazed to find what I did on an eleven year old cheap and cheerful French car.
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Funny thing is I did hear that banging an exhaust to hear it ring can collapse a baffle or two........
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But there's banging an exhaust and lightly tapping a section of free pipe - a long way from the nearest box - to check pipeowrk integrity.
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